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Although many of us may not have noticed, Sony have had a slow start to their PS2 console, which hasn't been selling as hoped. And with the hype of the Gamecube rising and X-box boasting amazing specs. will the PS2 get back on steady track?. Well first we have to target where and how its slow start occured.
One could point out many major factors such as the unbelievably high price of 300-400 pounds, which is easily said to be at least 100 pounds more than the average gamer would be willing to spend. So what what did you get for all that well earned cash? Not much. One PS2 unit and one controller which hadn't changed from the PSX. High street prices on the games meant another 40 quid out of one's pocket, and with very few launch titles(with still a small amount of games at the moment!) it would be easy to feel a little disapointed. Many will also say(and I have to agree with them) that the advertisment was far from persuading you to purchase the console. No doubt Sony thought that it was clever, but sadly many obviously didn't understand it.
Nevertheless quite a few paid deposits and bought the console but a major problem came up of a shortage of units and only sold around 60 000 in its first weekend, which was easily surpassed by the GBA with 81 000 unit s sold.
Little did sony think that they could be outsold by an inferior and 'handheld' console!
The hardware giant is now losing yet more profit as the price of the PS2 had to be lowered in order for it to seem for affordable(Does 270-99 pounds sound affordable?).
Not only that but the softwarwe side is losing out because many of whom are buying it are using it mainly as a D-V-D player, in which an odd game can be played. This may be a problem for the rumoured to exist and is, Panasonic gamecube, which can play D-V-D's as well as gamecube games but may not come to europe or america.
Definetely the small selection of games was to blame. And many of them are simply conversions of PSX games with there hardly being any good original titles other than SSX snowboarding.
It may well be coming to the point where the release of 'Gran Turismo 3' will be more important to the PS2's success than ever before!
It's easy to say that Sony are losing a bit of momentum right now and need something to boost them back into form. Gran Turismo 3 may well be the key factor if the PS2 is going to start up again.
With the mistakes and stumbles Sony have made so far it's time to wait in anticipation until the Gamecube and X-box are released because it is sure to be a very close race.
Despite that, Sony don't think much of the X-box. PS2 Boss, Ken Kutaragi has said that he has no interest in the X-box and that microsoft does not understand entertainment and that many of their games aren't very impressive. He also said that he is optimistic about many things!
While on the other hand, Microsoft's senior vice president, Robbie Bach, said that 'There isn't a sense that Sony did their launch and delivered a hard blow.....'
Looking ahead to what might happen, the look of the consloles will most probably be a main factor. The Gamecube is the smallest and the size of a cube, hence the name, and will come out in various colours. The PS2 is flat and black and I've heard rumours that the X-box is/will be the size of a VCR, which may well be speculation but will definetely put people off plus the fact that it's made by Bill Gates who is not exactly the most popular guy on the street!
Nintendo's dinky special discs are better than a D-V-D in the sense that they are much harder to copy so it lowers the risk of nintendo and other companies on losing out on much profit. Which is no doubt why sega, who can make some cracking good games, are becoming very close to nintendo because their past has been horrible. Then there is the fact that the GBA can link up to the Gamecube opening up many more options.
Even though the X-box has some of the most impressive specs. all three consoles have spectacular graphics and FMV.
But pictures show that the PS2 may be surpassed by the two other consoles in terms of looks despite the huge graphic leap by Sony.
Ignoring all this one might hear people saying that the PS2 is a failure but although it hasn't amazed beyond belief yet, it's still too early to say such a thing of the creation of what has to be said, one of the biggest hardware giants.
Being realistic, Sony have had a massive head start, even if they haven't used it to their full advantage so far and you can't really see them back down so easily when the time for the other consoles arrive.
I think most of us can agree with Electronic Arts. They feel that this head start will be enough and by the end of the year they predict that Sony will have sold through some 20 million units around the world, while Gamescube and X-box will only have just begun.
EA's chief financial offier, Stan McKee said, 'I can't see how Sony will ever relinquish that advantage.'
The big question is 'Can Gameube and X-box capitalize on Sony's slow start?'
Well, only time will tell, eh?
One could point out many major factors such as the unbelievably high price of 300-400 pounds, which is easily said to be at least 100 pounds more than the average gamer would be willing to spend. So what what did you get for all that well earned cash? Not much. One PS2 unit and one controller which hadn't changed from the PSX. High street prices on the games meant another 40 quid out of one's pocket, and with very few launch titles(with still a small amount of games at the moment!) it would be easy to feel a little disapointed. Many will also say(and I have to agree with them) that the advertisment was far from persuading you to purchase the console. No doubt Sony thought that it was clever, but sadly many obviously didn't understand it.
Nevertheless quite a few paid deposits and bought the console but a major problem came up of a shortage of units and only sold around 60 000 in its first weekend, which was easily surpassed by the GBA with 81 000 unit s sold.
Little did sony think that they could be outsold by an inferior and 'handheld' console!
The hardware giant is now losing yet more profit as the price of the PS2 had to be lowered in order for it to seem for affordable(Does 270-99 pounds sound affordable?).
Not only that but the softwarwe side is losing out because many of whom are buying it are using it mainly as a D-V-D player, in which an odd game can be played. This may be a problem for the rumoured to exist and is, Panasonic gamecube, which can play D-V-D's as well as gamecube games but may not come to europe or america.
Definetely the small selection of games was to blame. And many of them are simply conversions of PSX games with there hardly being any good original titles other than SSX snowboarding.
It may well be coming to the point where the release of 'Gran Turismo 3' will be more important to the PS2's success than ever before!
It's easy to say that Sony are losing a bit of momentum right now and need something to boost them back into form. Gran Turismo 3 may well be the key factor if the PS2 is going to start up again.
With the mistakes and stumbles Sony have made so far it's time to wait in anticipation until the Gamecube and X-box are released because it is sure to be a very close race.
Despite that, Sony don't think much of the X-box. PS2 Boss, Ken Kutaragi has said that he has no interest in the X-box and that microsoft does not understand entertainment and that many of their games aren't very impressive. He also said that he is optimistic about many things!
While on the other hand, Microsoft's senior vice president, Robbie Bach, said that 'There isn't a sense that Sony did their launch and delivered a hard blow.....'
Looking ahead to what might happen, the look of the consloles will most probably be a main factor. The Gamecube is the smallest and the size of a cube, hence the name, and will come out in various colours. The PS2 is flat and black and I've heard rumours that the X-box is/will be the size of a VCR, which may well be speculation but will definetely put people off plus the fact that it's made by Bill Gates who is not exactly the most popular guy on the street!
Nintendo's dinky special discs are better than a D-V-D in the sense that they are much harder to copy so it lowers the risk of nintendo and other companies on losing out on much profit. Which is no doubt why sega, who can make some cracking good games, are becoming very close to nintendo because their past has been horrible. Then there is the fact that the GBA can link up to the Gamecube opening up many more options.
Even though the X-box has some of the most impressive specs. all three consoles have spectacular graphics and FMV.
But pictures show that the PS2 may be surpassed by the two other consoles in terms of looks despite the huge graphic leap by Sony.
Ignoring all this one might hear people saying that the PS2 is a failure but although it hasn't amazed beyond belief yet, it's still too early to say such a thing of the creation of what has to be said, one of the biggest hardware giants.
Being realistic, Sony have had a massive head start, even if they haven't used it to their full advantage so far and you can't really see them back down so easily when the time for the other consoles arrive.
I think most of us can agree with Electronic Arts. They feel that this head start will be enough and by the end of the year they predict that Sony will have sold through some 20 million units around the world, while Gamescube and X-box will only have just begun.
EA's chief financial offier, Stan McKee said, 'I can't see how Sony will ever relinquish that advantage.'
The big question is 'Can Gameube and X-box capitalize on Sony's slow start?'
Well, only time will tell, eh?
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Kumaster wrote:
The big question is 'Can Gameube and X-box
> capitalize on Sony's slow start?'
Well, only time will tell, eh?
I tend to think so. Not only because both consoles have attracted a respectable following, but also because their starting price is much lower than what the PS2 will be at that time. I also think a lot of people have been annoyed with Sony capatilizing on the Playstation name with a machine which did not deliver what had been promised, at a very uncompetitive price and even all this time after release the PS2 still has no real killer games to make it worth purchasing. I think the only real saviour of the machine will be the release of GT3 and MGS2, but other than that it has proved far less popular than what Sony had imagined. Furthermore the release of this hard-drive is sending Sony down the unfortunate path of the add on. Whether Sony will properly endorse the console i.e have more than 5 games incorporate its technology or not, only time will tell.
The big question is 'Can Gameube and X-box
> capitalize on Sony's slow start?'
Well, only time will tell, eh?
I tend to think so. Not only because both consoles have attracted a respectable following, but also because their starting price is much lower than what the PS2 will be at that time. I also think a lot of people have been annoyed with Sony capatilizing on the Playstation name with a machine which did not deliver what had been promised, at a very uncompetitive price and even all this time after release the PS2 still has no real killer games to make it worth purchasing. I think the only real saviour of the machine will be the release of GT3 and MGS2, but other than that it has proved far less popular than what Sony had imagined. Furthermore the release of this hard-drive is sending Sony down the unfortunate path of the add on. Whether Sony will properly endorse the console i.e have more than 5 games incorporate its technology or not, only time will tell.
When the playstation 2 price comes down just watch the sales shoot up, the PS2 has a lot going for it with the ability to play CD's and DVD's. When the price does eventually come down the console won't be bought by just video game lovers, it will also be bought as a DVD or even a CD player unlike the gamecube as it can't play the DVD or CD disks. That's why I fear that the Gamecube could be a failure as it will be bought entirely by gamers and not by people looking to just play DVD's.
By the way can the XBox play DVD's?
By the way can the XBox play DVD's?
Although many of us may not have noticed, Sony have had a slow start to their PS2 console, which hasn't been selling as hoped. And with the hype of the Gamecube rising and X-box boasting amazing specs. will the PS2 get back on steady track?. Well first we have to target where and how its slow start occured.
One could point out many major factors such as the unbelievably high price of 300-400 pounds, which is easily said to be at least 100 pounds more than the average gamer would be willing to spend. So what what did you get for all that well earned cash? Not much. One PS2 unit and one controller which hadn't changed from the PSX. High street prices on the games meant another 40 quid out of one's pocket, and with very few launch titles(with still a small amount of games at the moment!) it would be easy to feel a little disapointed. Many will also say(and I have to agree with them) that the advertisment was far from persuading you to purchase the console. No doubt Sony thought that it was clever, but sadly many obviously didn't understand it.
Nevertheless quite a few paid deposits and bought the console but a major problem came up of a shortage of units and only sold around 60 000 in its first weekend, which was easily surpassed by the GBA with 81 000 unit s sold.
Little did sony think that they could be outsold by an inferior and 'handheld' console!
The hardware giant is now losing yet more profit as the price of the PS2 had to be lowered in order for it to seem for affordable(Does 270-99 pounds sound affordable?).
Not only that but the softwarwe side is losing out because many of whom are buying it are using it mainly as a D-V-D player, in which an odd game can be played. This may be a problem for the rumoured to exist and is, Panasonic gamecube, which can play D-V-D's as well as gamecube games but may not come to europe or america.
Definetely the small selection of games was to blame. And many of them are simply conversions of PSX games with there hardly being any good original titles other than SSX snowboarding.
It may well be coming to the point where the release of 'Gran Turismo 3' will be more important to the PS2's success than ever before!
It's easy to say that Sony are losing a bit of momentum right now and need something to boost them back into form. Gran Turismo 3 may well be the key factor if the PS2 is going to start up again.
With the mistakes and stumbles Sony have made so far it's time to wait in anticipation until the Gamecube and X-box are released because it is sure to be a very close race.
Despite that, Sony don't think much of the X-box. PS2 Boss, Ken Kutaragi has said that he has no interest in the X-box and that microsoft does not understand entertainment and that many of their games aren't very impressive. He also said that he is optimistic about many things!
While on the other hand, Microsoft's senior vice president, Robbie Bach, said that 'There isn't a sense that Sony did their launch and delivered a hard blow.....'
Looking ahead to what might happen, the look of the consloles will most probably be a main factor. The Gamecube is the smallest and the size of a cube, hence the name, and will come out in various colours. The PS2 is flat and black and I've heard rumours that the X-box is/will be the size of a VCR, which may well be speculation but will definetely put people off plus the fact that it's made by Bill Gates who is not exactly the most popular guy on the street!
Nintendo's dinky special discs are better than a D-V-D in the sense that they are much harder to copy so it lowers the risk of nintendo and other companies on losing out on much profit. Which is no doubt why sega, who can make some cracking good games, are becoming very close to nintendo because their past has been horrible. Then there is the fact that the GBA can link up to the Gamecube opening up many more options.
Even though the X-box has some of the most impressive specs. all three consoles have spectacular graphics and FMV.
But pictures show that the PS2 may be surpassed by the two other consoles in terms of looks despite the huge graphic leap by Sony.
Ignoring all this one might hear people saying that the PS2 is a failure but although it hasn't amazed beyond belief yet, it's still too early to say such a thing of the creation of what has to be said, one of the biggest hardware giants.
Being realistic, Sony have had a massive head start, even if they haven't used it to their full advantage so far and you can't really see them back down so easily when the time for the other consoles arrive.
I think most of us can agree with Electronic Arts. They feel that this head start will be enough and by the end of the year they predict that Sony will have sold through some 20 million units around the world, while Gamescube and X-box will only have just begun.
EA's chief financial offier, Stan McKee said, 'I can't see how Sony will ever relinquish that advantage.'
The big question is 'Can Gameube and X-box capitalize on Sony's slow start?'
Well, only time will tell, eh?
One could point out many major factors such as the unbelievably high price of 300-400 pounds, which is easily said to be at least 100 pounds more than the average gamer would be willing to spend. So what what did you get for all that well earned cash? Not much. One PS2 unit and one controller which hadn't changed from the PSX. High street prices on the games meant another 40 quid out of one's pocket, and with very few launch titles(with still a small amount of games at the moment!) it would be easy to feel a little disapointed. Many will also say(and I have to agree with them) that the advertisment was far from persuading you to purchase the console. No doubt Sony thought that it was clever, but sadly many obviously didn't understand it.
Nevertheless quite a few paid deposits and bought the console but a major problem came up of a shortage of units and only sold around 60 000 in its first weekend, which was easily surpassed by the GBA with 81 000 unit s sold.
Little did sony think that they could be outsold by an inferior and 'handheld' console!
The hardware giant is now losing yet more profit as the price of the PS2 had to be lowered in order for it to seem for affordable(Does 270-99 pounds sound affordable?).
Not only that but the softwarwe side is losing out because many of whom are buying it are using it mainly as a D-V-D player, in which an odd game can be played. This may be a problem for the rumoured to exist and is, Panasonic gamecube, which can play D-V-D's as well as gamecube games but may not come to europe or america.
Definetely the small selection of games was to blame. And many of them are simply conversions of PSX games with there hardly being any good original titles other than SSX snowboarding.
It may well be coming to the point where the release of 'Gran Turismo 3' will be more important to the PS2's success than ever before!
It's easy to say that Sony are losing a bit of momentum right now and need something to boost them back into form. Gran Turismo 3 may well be the key factor if the PS2 is going to start up again.
With the mistakes and stumbles Sony have made so far it's time to wait in anticipation until the Gamecube and X-box are released because it is sure to be a very close race.
Despite that, Sony don't think much of the X-box. PS2 Boss, Ken Kutaragi has said that he has no interest in the X-box and that microsoft does not understand entertainment and that many of their games aren't very impressive. He also said that he is optimistic about many things!
While on the other hand, Microsoft's senior vice president, Robbie Bach, said that 'There isn't a sense that Sony did their launch and delivered a hard blow.....'
Looking ahead to what might happen, the look of the consloles will most probably be a main factor. The Gamecube is the smallest and the size of a cube, hence the name, and will come out in various colours. The PS2 is flat and black and I've heard rumours that the X-box is/will be the size of a VCR, which may well be speculation but will definetely put people off plus the fact that it's made by Bill Gates who is not exactly the most popular guy on the street!
Nintendo's dinky special discs are better than a D-V-D in the sense that they are much harder to copy so it lowers the risk of nintendo and other companies on losing out on much profit. Which is no doubt why sega, who can make some cracking good games, are becoming very close to nintendo because their past has been horrible. Then there is the fact that the GBA can link up to the Gamecube opening up many more options.
Even though the X-box has some of the most impressive specs. all three consoles have spectacular graphics and FMV.
But pictures show that the PS2 may be surpassed by the two other consoles in terms of looks despite the huge graphic leap by Sony.
Ignoring all this one might hear people saying that the PS2 is a failure but although it hasn't amazed beyond belief yet, it's still too early to say such a thing of the creation of what has to be said, one of the biggest hardware giants.
Being realistic, Sony have had a massive head start, even if they haven't used it to their full advantage so far and you can't really see them back down so easily when the time for the other consoles arrive.
I think most of us can agree with Electronic Arts. They feel that this head start will be enough and by the end of the year they predict that Sony will have sold through some 20 million units around the world, while Gamescube and X-box will only have just begun.
EA's chief financial offier, Stan McKee said, 'I can't see how Sony will ever relinquish that advantage.'
The big question is 'Can Gameube and X-box capitalize on Sony's slow start?'
Well, only time will tell, eh?
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