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Wed 04/07/01 at 20:52
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I've been reading a lot on here lately about "nu-metal" and how cool "Limp Bizkit" are and other assorted shouty bands.
Fair enough, when I was at school and college, I refused to listen to anything else but death metal.
Had the t-shirts, the attitude and the long hair.

But I grew away from that. I still listen to a LOT of rock music, but not much of it recently interests me. It's a hybrid of hip-hop and rock, nothing new at all. Run DMC and Aerosmith did this over 10 years ago, as did Anthrax with Public Enemy.
However, the one thing that the current bands all have in common is anger.
Not genuine passionate fury, but posing "Parents suck! Work is hard!" rantings from guys in their 30s. You think Fred Durst is alternative and a spokesman for your generation?

He's a thirtysomething head of Interscope Records. You can't get any more industry than that, so think twice when he's jumping about singing "Break Stuff" and "My Generation".

Now, there are bands out there that rock the hard jams, but without the macho teen-angst posturing of these jock-rock bands.
Tool, Muse, Corrosion of Conformity..and (here it comes)

Clutch.

Now, dont sigh and tune out.
If you like rock music, then do me one favour - go out and buy a Clutch album and realise that you can rock like a mutha without having to swear and scream about how much life sucks. I'm no prude, I swear with the best of them, but with music, swearing just defeats the purpose.

Clutch used to be a hardcore, anger filled shouting-himself-raw band. But they grew and evolved into something else entirely.
How would I describe them?
A mix of Led Zepplin, Dr Suess, Corrosion of Conformity, Creedence Clearwater and disco.
Odd mix maybe, but that's what Clutch are.
They have the most furious rhythm section you will ever heard. The groove that they lay down makes you feel like dancing across the room.

Yes, the singer can shout...like few others. But it's not anger, it's passion.
The songs aren't about "I HATE MY MOM AND DAD! WORK IS REALLY, REALLY HARD".
They sing about everything and anything you can think of.
Be it rednecks in America that live in the woods and make soap to sell, Aliens on Mars using humans to harvest diamonds for them...all manner of things.

But not once do you listen to them and think "Yeah, life sucks, being a teenager is hard".
Of course it is, that's what these bands play into. Saying "Yeah, you feel alienated and hard done by. Get aggressive and angry!" is not an achievment.

No sirree, Clutch will make you turn the stereo up, sing along and, above all, make you smile.
Not a comedy band at all, but so full of energy and brilliant, brilliant groove and rhythm that it's impossible to not want to feel good listening to it.

I've seen them live 4 times now, and each time has been a fantastic gig. They play usually for about 2hrs. They play the songs from the albums, but they add to them, turn a 3 minute song into a huge freeform jam.
Big smiles on the crowd, pure entertainment.

Albums so far from the earliest 1st:

Transational Speedway Leagues:Anthems and Anecdotes
Clutch
The Elephant Riders
Jam Room
Pure Rock Fury

If you're new to them, please, go out and start from the 2nd one, Clutch.
But how can you not like a group that calls an album "Pure Rock Fury"?
Exactly, you cant.
So, take a chance, turn off Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc and open your mind just a little bit.

I promise you wont be disappointed at all.
Here's an idea of their lyrics "Muchas Veces" from Elephant Riders:

MUCHAS VECES (Many Times)

Went to the five and dime,
bought myself a copy of Time,
and on the cover was a woman that I knew
when I was excavating in the mountains of Peru.
I caught a plane to L.I.A.
I didn't know what I would say.
Maybe she would like me, I had lost a lot of weight
since she had last seen me in 1988.
Went to a local bar and ordered a cerveza,
asked a man about the woman on the cover,
dijo, "Claro que si, es el presidente's daughter."
Asked him where she might me,
"You did not hear this from me.
The girl is a terrorista
en las montanas a Chuquibambilla."
Took a bus through mountains.
Oh, my head was pounding.

Got to stay strong and carry on.
Got to stay strong, it won't be long.

Arrived in the villa surrounded by guerrillas.
Then my girl took me in her arms.
She said, "How have you been?
Oh, but I'll see you again."
I woke up in a coffin underneath
an altar to the east of Machu Pichu.
Crawled from the royal tomb.
The sun was bright, it burned my eyes.
I knew that she was gone
so I went down to the riverside
and I cried.
I went down to the riverside
I went down and I cried.

Muchas veces, I don't know if I'm coming or I'm going.
Muchas veces, I'm at a loss as what to do.
Muchas veces, I don't know if I'm coming or I'm going.
Muches veces, I'm at a loss as what to do.

My friend said, "She's nothing but pain."
I said, "I still love her the same.
All she needs is a little bit of love and
I'm sure I can make her change some."
"What about that girl in Zaire
that you met while a volunteer?
She got quite the education and
quite the pair of legs on her."
"Oh, she married an Englishman,
a correspondent for CNN.
She thought he was rather handsome
in a UN blue flak jacket.
Oh, I see where your coming from,
but for me there is no other one.
I must be on my merry way."

Went to the five and dime,
bought myself a copy of Time,
and on the cover was a woman that I knew
claiming she was a kahuna down on Oahu.
Caught a plane to H.I.A.
The sun was bright, it burned my eyes.
I knew that she was near because I felt
shivers on my spine.
I felt fine
Thu 05/07/01 at 12:08
Regular
"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
My personal favs?

"Yes I'm a new world Samurai and a redneck nonetheless"

"You gave birth to the baby but put a gun into it's hands"

"My mother was Black, my father was Decker"

"The fog is rollin' in, the tide is high...Diane's as fat can be..aye captain aye."

"We got Greedo..Solo to the rear..they know the deal..sacks packed and stacked with pieces of eight..a sailor's life for me"

"Norman The Mormon hears the doorbell ring, but inside they're answering..peering through the window to his suprise..the door flies open, come inside! I'm opining Sailing Simon, what you're selling, I do not need..Mr Patrick, Orthodox Catholic is more likely in your league"
Thu 05/07/01 at 12:03
Regular
"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Animal Farm

From Self-Titled Album.

Top song.
Thu 05/07/01 at 11:44
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"Profit of Doom"
Posts: 1,881
Whilst staying on the subject of the awesome Clutch, a personal favourite lyric of mine from them has to be;

"Listen up you stinking maggots, it seems that you just don't get it, well I've been told to inform you, that your days are numbered.."

Goatboy, help me out with the title of that song please, I can't remember it for love nor money at the moment.

./Steve
Thu 05/07/01 at 11:22
Posts: 0
"There's a boy they call the sleeping martyr.. he's been asleep for days..."
Thu 05/07/01 at 11:20
Posts: 0
The Manics current state can be attributed to the fact that they are no-longer angry punk 20-somethings who want the world to listen to what they are shouting about. They are comfortable, financially sound 30-somethings who want the world to listen to what they are shouting about. They are still a great band in terms of the people they are and their ideals.. but the passion has gone out of their music. They are no longer able to attack the mainstream because they are the mainstream. Just think.. there are people out there who have maybe bought all their albums based on the sucesses of 'This is my truth..'/'Everything Must Go'... whose only opinion of the first album is 'Motorcycle emptiness' is a nice little ditty. Not many of the people who buy their music now understand they band they were.
Thu 05/07/01 at 11:14
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Posts: 23,089
I agree that a lot of bands move away from why people liked them in the 1st place.
Radiohead is a good example. In my opinion, they have moved from haunting and well-written studies of emotion to self-indulgent nonsense (just my view).
The Manics have turned into Dire Straits, and even the once mighty Metallica are now more interested in suing their fans for downloading MP3s from Napster than making music, they lost their bass player because he was so disgusted at what they had become.

Clutch, however, have maintained their roots whilst growing and moving on.
(I know I sound like their A&R man, but I really want people to hear them).

Their 1st album was angry, shouting hardcore with a songs called Binge & Purge that contained the final 2 mins of the singer screaming (BBC Editing effect for next segment):

“Come on muddyfunster let’s throw down
I’ll make you wish that you’ve never been born
Come on muddyfunster let’s go now
Just rear your ugly funning head I’ll put it on a platter..”

Good old fashioned hatred and violent emotion.
However, on their latest “Pure Rock Fury”, they have a song attacking Fred Durst that has the following lines:

“I’m ashamed to admit that I’ve been fooled
By the seductions of violence
People walking around with ugly auras
Sometimes I’m even tempted to seek the advice of Dr Laura
But I ignore her and I
Take a deep breath and count to ten
Think of all the nice places that I’ve been”

A band that still plays hard music, but have turned into an outfit that have one of the best rhythm sections of any rock band. Songs with so much attitude and a beat you can’t resist.

I know I’ll sound like someone’s dad, but I don’t understand why, when bands like Limp Bizkit need to encourage bad attitudes and sulky behaviour? I know it’s the typical mindset of a teen rockfan. Been there, done that.
And I still listen to bands like Pantera, Biohazard and Soulfy, Sepultura etc so I have nothing against aggressive music per se.
But, since listening to bands like Clutch and Corrosion of Conformity, I have realised that you can listen to rock music without feeling really, really angry at the end of it.
Thu 05/07/01 at 09:52
Posts: 0
My fears our that once bands "Grow Up" or "Experiment" they loose their basic raw appeal. Just look at bands like Radiohead where the hell have they gone with their last 3 albems? The Manic Street Preachers have "melowed"
Wed 04/07/01 at 20:52
Regular
"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
I've been reading a lot on here lately about "nu-metal" and how cool "Limp Bizkit" are and other assorted shouty bands.
Fair enough, when I was at school and college, I refused to listen to anything else but death metal.
Had the t-shirts, the attitude and the long hair.

But I grew away from that. I still listen to a LOT of rock music, but not much of it recently interests me. It's a hybrid of hip-hop and rock, nothing new at all. Run DMC and Aerosmith did this over 10 years ago, as did Anthrax with Public Enemy.
However, the one thing that the current bands all have in common is anger.
Not genuine passionate fury, but posing "Parents suck! Work is hard!" rantings from guys in their 30s. You think Fred Durst is alternative and a spokesman for your generation?

He's a thirtysomething head of Interscope Records. You can't get any more industry than that, so think twice when he's jumping about singing "Break Stuff" and "My Generation".

Now, there are bands out there that rock the hard jams, but without the macho teen-angst posturing of these jock-rock bands.
Tool, Muse, Corrosion of Conformity..and (here it comes)

Clutch.

Now, dont sigh and tune out.
If you like rock music, then do me one favour - go out and buy a Clutch album and realise that you can rock like a mutha without having to swear and scream about how much life sucks. I'm no prude, I swear with the best of them, but with music, swearing just defeats the purpose.

Clutch used to be a hardcore, anger filled shouting-himself-raw band. But they grew and evolved into something else entirely.
How would I describe them?
A mix of Led Zepplin, Dr Suess, Corrosion of Conformity, Creedence Clearwater and disco.
Odd mix maybe, but that's what Clutch are.
They have the most furious rhythm section you will ever heard. The groove that they lay down makes you feel like dancing across the room.

Yes, the singer can shout...like few others. But it's not anger, it's passion.
The songs aren't about "I HATE MY MOM AND DAD! WORK IS REALLY, REALLY HARD".
They sing about everything and anything you can think of.
Be it rednecks in America that live in the woods and make soap to sell, Aliens on Mars using humans to harvest diamonds for them...all manner of things.

But not once do you listen to them and think "Yeah, life sucks, being a teenager is hard".
Of course it is, that's what these bands play into. Saying "Yeah, you feel alienated and hard done by. Get aggressive and angry!" is not an achievment.

No sirree, Clutch will make you turn the stereo up, sing along and, above all, make you smile.
Not a comedy band at all, but so full of energy and brilliant, brilliant groove and rhythm that it's impossible to not want to feel good listening to it.

I've seen them live 4 times now, and each time has been a fantastic gig. They play usually for about 2hrs. They play the songs from the albums, but they add to them, turn a 3 minute song into a huge freeform jam.
Big smiles on the crowd, pure entertainment.

Albums so far from the earliest 1st:

Transational Speedway Leagues:Anthems and Anecdotes
Clutch
The Elephant Riders
Jam Room
Pure Rock Fury

If you're new to them, please, go out and start from the 2nd one, Clutch.
But how can you not like a group that calls an album "Pure Rock Fury"?
Exactly, you cant.
So, take a chance, turn off Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park etc and open your mind just a little bit.

I promise you wont be disappointed at all.
Here's an idea of their lyrics "Muchas Veces" from Elephant Riders:

MUCHAS VECES (Many Times)

Went to the five and dime,
bought myself a copy of Time,
and on the cover was a woman that I knew
when I was excavating in the mountains of Peru.
I caught a plane to L.I.A.
I didn't know what I would say.
Maybe she would like me, I had lost a lot of weight
since she had last seen me in 1988.
Went to a local bar and ordered a cerveza,
asked a man about the woman on the cover,
dijo, "Claro que si, es el presidente's daughter."
Asked him where she might me,
"You did not hear this from me.
The girl is a terrorista
en las montanas a Chuquibambilla."
Took a bus through mountains.
Oh, my head was pounding.

Got to stay strong and carry on.
Got to stay strong, it won't be long.

Arrived in the villa surrounded by guerrillas.
Then my girl took me in her arms.
She said, "How have you been?
Oh, but I'll see you again."
I woke up in a coffin underneath
an altar to the east of Machu Pichu.
Crawled from the royal tomb.
The sun was bright, it burned my eyes.
I knew that she was gone
so I went down to the riverside
and I cried.
I went down to the riverside
I went down and I cried.

Muchas veces, I don't know if I'm coming or I'm going.
Muchas veces, I'm at a loss as what to do.
Muchas veces, I don't know if I'm coming or I'm going.
Muches veces, I'm at a loss as what to do.

My friend said, "She's nothing but pain."
I said, "I still love her the same.
All she needs is a little bit of love and
I'm sure I can make her change some."
"What about that girl in Zaire
that you met while a volunteer?
She got quite the education and
quite the pair of legs on her."
"Oh, she married an Englishman,
a correspondent for CNN.
She thought he was rather handsome
in a UN blue flak jacket.
Oh, I see where your coming from,
but for me there is no other one.
I must be on my merry way."

Went to the five and dime,
bought myself a copy of Time,
and on the cover was a woman that I knew
claiming she was a kahuna down on Oahu.
Caught a plane to H.I.A.
The sun was bright, it burned my eyes.
I knew that she was near because I felt
shivers on my spine.
I felt fine

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