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Should we stay or should we go?
I'd like to hear your opinions.
I'd like to hear your opinions.
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pete_21 wrote:
> Alfonse wrote:
>
> Not trying to start an argument, just trying to stimulate
> discussion :)
>
> Didn't realise we were arguing ?.Apologies if my answer seemed to
> indicate that,wasn't intended.
No, it's not you. I just have a reputation for being argumentative, and didn't want it to come across that way.
> Alfonse wrote:
>
> Not trying to start an argument, just trying to stimulate
> discussion :)
>
> Didn't realise we were arguing ?.Apologies if my answer seemed to
> indicate that,wasn't intended.
No, it's not you. I just have a reputation for being argumentative, and didn't want it to come across that way.
Garin wrote:
> You'll never stimulate discussion when you're got people like
> Warhunt coming along with their well thought out reasonable
> viewpoints. Hes ruined the whole topic!
I mean more discussion, I found Warhunt's viewpoint very interesting.
> You'll never stimulate discussion when you're got people like
> Warhunt coming along with their well thought out reasonable
> viewpoints. Hes ruined the whole topic!
I mean more discussion, I found Warhunt's viewpoint very interesting.
Alfonse wrote:
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to stimulate discussion :)
Didn't realise we were arguing ?.Apologies if my answer seemed to indicate that,wasn't intended.
I was just stating my thoughts on the situation.Although as already stated I am against this war I do feel for the guys out there and families/friends who have lost loved ones in it.
I'm quite interested to hear what peeps on here think about this actually.
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to stimulate discussion :)
Didn't realise we were arguing ?.Apologies if my answer seemed to indicate that,wasn't intended.
I was just stating my thoughts on the situation.Although as already stated I am against this war I do feel for the guys out there and families/friends who have lost loved ones in it.
I'm quite interested to hear what peeps on here think about this actually.
You'll never stimulate discussion when you're got people like Warhunt coming along with their well thought out reasonable viewpoints. Hes ruined the whole topic!
pete_21 wrote:
I still feel the
> war is fundamentally wrong and I will continue to feel that way
> unless something comes to light to make me think otherwise.
Can a war ever be fundamentally 'right'? Question open to anyone.
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to stimulate discussion :)
I still feel the
> war is fundamentally wrong and I will continue to feel that way
> unless something comes to light to make me think otherwise.
Can a war ever be fundamentally 'right'? Question open to anyone.
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to stimulate discussion :)
Alfonse wrote:
Does he really? Going back to Warhunt's point, I'm not sure whether or not you were old enough to vote at the time of Blair's being elected, but if you did vote for Blair, do you feel a sense
of responsibility for the war?
I was old enough to have voted at that time but I did not vote Labour so I don't feel responsible for any decisions Blair and his government made.Whatever reasons (or information) he may have had for leading us there we will probably never know but having started the process I believe he should have stayed to see it through,that was the point I was making really.I still feel the war is fundamentally wrong and I will continue to feel that way unless something comes to light to make me think otherwise.
Does he really? Going back to Warhunt's point, I'm not sure whether or not you were old enough to vote at the time of Blair's being elected, but if you did vote for Blair, do you feel a sense
of responsibility for the war?
I was old enough to have voted at that time but I did not vote Labour so I don't feel responsible for any decisions Blair and his government made.Whatever reasons (or information) he may have had for leading us there we will probably never know but having started the process I believe he should have stayed to see it through,that was the point I was making really.I still feel the war is fundamentally wrong and I will continue to feel that way unless something comes to light to make me think otherwise.
Warhunt wrote:
> If TB did make the wrong decision then it was really our
> fault, we voted him him in to make that decision for
> us.The problem with democracy is people forget that the
> Prime Minister is (or should be) their voice...... So who's
> really to blame....... ?
But doesn't this highlight a flaw within our democratic system? That despite mass public outcry, our government can still do such things.
> If TB did make the wrong decision then it was really our
> fault, we voted him him in to make that decision for
> us.The problem with democracy is people forget that the
> Prime Minister is (or should be) their voice...... So who's
> really to blame....... ?
But doesn't this highlight a flaw within our democratic system? That despite mass public outcry, our government can still do such things.
Edgy wrote:
> It all depends if the 'protecting the UK from terrorism' and
> protecting Pakistan are the real priorities...
>
> After all, if the government's fears of Al Qaeda taking over
> Pakistan are justified, that means we would have a terrorist
> group with nuclear weapons.
>
> I would rather British troops fighting to stop that.
>
> But if the government are just BSing, then yes, bring them home.
Quite an important point, people focus on the lives of our troops being lost, but aren't generally thinking about our future national security.
> It all depends if the 'protecting the UK from terrorism' and
> protecting Pakistan are the real priorities...
>
> After all, if the government's fears of Al Qaeda taking over
> Pakistan are justified, that means we would have a terrorist
> group with nuclear weapons.
>
> I would rather British troops fighting to stop that.
>
> But if the government are just BSing, then yes, bring them home.
Quite an important point, people focus on the lives of our troops being lost, but aren't generally thinking about our future national security.
pete_21 wrote:
> We should never have gone into Afghanistan in the first place
> IMO.Would love to see our troops pulled out tomorrow but fear it
> may not be as simple as that.
What do you think would have been a preferable solution to war in Afghanistan?
> Blair dragged us into this mess and then just walked away from
> it.Personally I think he has a lot to answer for.
Does he really? Going back to Warhunt's point, I'm not sure whether or not you were old enough to vote at the time of Blair's being elected, but if you did vote for Blair, do you feel a sense of responsibility for the war?
> We should never have gone into Afghanistan in the first place
> IMO.Would love to see our troops pulled out tomorrow but fear it
> may not be as simple as that.
What do you think would have been a preferable solution to war in Afghanistan?
> Blair dragged us into this mess and then just walked away from
> it.Personally I think he has a lot to answer for.
Does he really? Going back to Warhunt's point, I'm not sure whether or not you were old enough to vote at the time of Blair's being elected, but if you did vote for Blair, do you feel a sense of responsibility for the war?
I have no inclination. We voted the governement in to do this thinking for us at the end of the day. People who have any opinion on this shouldn't unless they have evidence :D
We base our "opinions" on the media's spin. We went in there for oil? Are you sure? I'm not. Why? Because I don't have access to the information.
Did the terrorists do something hideously wrong? Yes. That's actually all I know.
Did Tony Blair and Bush really do anything that wrong? Maybe, but I don't know. If me and pete or Hmmm.... even were in the position to make the decision, would we have? We don;t know because we don't know the actual facts.
If TB did make the wrong decision then it was really our fault, we voted him him in to make that decision for us.The problem with democracy is people forget that the Prime Minister is (or should be) their voice...... So who's really to blame....... ?
We base our "opinions" on the media's spin. We went in there for oil? Are you sure? I'm not. Why? Because I don't have access to the information.
Did the terrorists do something hideously wrong? Yes. That's actually all I know.
Did Tony Blair and Bush really do anything that wrong? Maybe, but I don't know. If me and pete or Hmmm.... even were in the position to make the decision, would we have? We don;t know because we don't know the actual facts.
If TB did make the wrong decision then it was really our fault, we voted him him in to make that decision for us.The problem with democracy is people forget that the Prime Minister is (or should be) their voice...... So who's really to blame....... ?
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