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Why do we have Film Censorship in the 21st Centry?
I am not talking about classification (although that system also needs overhauling) but actual censorship of Legal media forms weather it be cinema screenings, videos, TV or even the Internet. We all know where to get ilegal uncensesored films ie Porn but why should we have to buy ilegal material?
It is not just sex that we should be able to view, I belive If a video or TV or whatever is clearly described as and if apropiate shown at the right time, then isn't it OUR RIGHT to choose what we view not some comittee in a smoke fillied room.
How many films are spoiled by censorship? We will probably never know unless we get to see the uncensored version. Below are some proposals I hope one day may make it into Brittish Law and then maybee oneday we can have true freedom of choice in what we view or listion too.
Films should be shown in their origianl form after leaving the studio with NO CENSORSHIP other than a guidence lable.
These uncensored films would be allowd to be shown in none family cinemas at any time or in family cinemas after 9pm
Unsensored Films could be sold on DVD with a Adult Code allowing the puchasser to controll the viwing of the Disk.
TV after 9PM should be allowd to show what ever it wants to agian with Approiate warning. This then leaves controll of viwing with the Parent Or Guadien of under 18's or with the viewer themselves If over 18's.
Radio would again be allowd to brodcast any material after the watershed but not be stopped from playing songs featuring contreversal subjects.
Satilite, Cable or any encrypted TV channel should be allowd to broadcast anything it wants 24/7 This agin leaving the controll with the Adult subscriber.
Finaly internet sites should be allowd to brodcast whatever they want or feature any conntent BUT rather than software to block access, There should be FREE software allowing access to theese sites, agin giving the user cotroll.
I am not talking about classification (although that system also needs overhauling) but actual censorship of Legal media forms weather it be cinema screenings, videos, TV or even the Internet. We all know where to get ilegal uncensesored films ie Porn but why should we have to buy ilegal material?
It is not just sex that we should be able to view, I belive If a video or TV or whatever is clearly described as and if apropiate shown at the right time, then isn't it OUR RIGHT to choose what we view not some comittee in a smoke fillied room.
How many films are spoiled by censorship? We will probably never know unless we get to see the uncensored version. Below are some proposals I hope one day may make it into Brittish Law and then maybee oneday we can have true freedom of choice in what we view or listion too.
Films should be shown in their origianl form after leaving the studio with NO CENSORSHIP other than a guidence lable.
These uncensored films would be allowd to be shown in none family cinemas at any time or in family cinemas after 9pm
Unsensored Films could be sold on DVD with a Adult Code allowing the puchasser to controll the viwing of the Disk.
TV after 9PM should be allowd to show what ever it wants to agian with Approiate warning. This then leaves controll of viwing with the Parent Or Guadien of under 18's or with the viewer themselves If over 18's.
Radio would again be allowd to brodcast any material after the watershed but not be stopped from playing songs featuring contreversal subjects.
Satilite, Cable or any encrypted TV channel should be allowd to broadcast anything it wants 24/7 This agin leaving the controll with the Adult subscriber.
Finaly internet sites should be allowd to brodcast whatever they want or feature any conntent BUT rather than software to block access, There should be FREE software allowing access to theese sites, agin giving the user cotroll.
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Living that does not help society and has overstepped tin a society has never
> been about freedom -it is about creating restrictions that benefit
> the majority and allow people to live in some form of >harmony. I accept that if I stab you in the head then you >will have me arrested. You accept that if you break my >legs with a hammer then you will be arrested. We need >these restrictions to encourage people to live together >peacefully. However, I feel that censorship is one of >these restrictions he mark.
I just realised that the above paragraph makes no sense what-so-ever. Somehow I managed to cut and paste the middle of one sentence into another one. The paragraph should have read...
Living in a society has never been about freedom -it is about creating restrictions that benefit the majority and allow people to live in some form of harmony. I accept that if I stab you in the head then you will have me arrested. You accept that if you break my legs with a hammer then you will be arrested. We need these restrictions to encourage people to live together peacefully. However, I feel that censorship is one of these restrictions that does not help society and has overstepped the mark.
> been about freedom -it is about creating restrictions that benefit
> the majority and allow people to live in some form of >harmony. I accept that if I stab you in the head then you >will have me arrested. You accept that if you break my >legs with a hammer then you will be arrested. We need >these restrictions to encourage people to live together >peacefully. However, I feel that censorship is one of >these restrictions he mark.
I just realised that the above paragraph makes no sense what-so-ever. Somehow I managed to cut and paste the middle of one sentence into another one. The paragraph should have read...
Living in a society has never been about freedom -it is about creating restrictions that benefit the majority and allow people to live in some form of harmony. I accept that if I stab you in the head then you will have me arrested. You accept that if you break my legs with a hammer then you will be arrested. We need these restrictions to encourage people to live together peacefully. However, I feel that censorship is one of these restrictions that does not help society and has overstepped the mark.
You can see how important censorship is when looking back to the case of the Bulger killers. This terrible act happened as a result of the boys watching Childsplay (an 18 rated film, unless I'm mistaken) and then tried to re-enact what they saw.
The effect of graphic violence in films is always going to have an impact on society, and no matter how hard parents try to prevent their kids from seeing unsuitable material, they will always find a way of seeing what they shouldn't. That's why TV censorship is so vital, because it is a widely accessible form of media which a child often has ready access to, and thus it becomes all too easy for a kid to view something disturbing.
The effect of graphic violence in films is always going to have an impact on society, and no matter how hard parents try to prevent their kids from seeing unsuitable material, they will always find a way of seeing what they shouldn't. That's why TV censorship is so vital, because it is a widely accessible form of media which a child often has ready access to, and thus it becomes all too easy for a kid to view something disturbing.
Well done Blackhole, most enjoyable read.
Congrats
Congrats
Blackhole wrote:
> Exactly. Apart from countries with dictators or very religious
> countries such as India, no one has censorship like we do.
I was
> thinking -do you think a distributor could take the government to
> the European Court of Human Rights? I'm sure that the censorship we
> have in this country is against the Human Rights act. As well as the
> turds at the BBFC we also have laws about obscenity and blasphemy
> that are outdated and unclear.
It would be quite facinating if such action was to take place
> Exactly. Apart from countries with dictators or very religious
> countries such as India, no one has censorship like we do.
I was
> thinking -do you think a distributor could take the government to
> the European Court of Human Rights? I'm sure that the censorship we
> have in this country is against the Human Rights act. As well as the
> turds at the BBFC we also have laws about obscenity and blasphemy
> that are outdated and unclear.
It would be quite facinating if such action was to take place
Exactly. Apart from countries with dictators or very religious countries such as India, no one has censorship like we do.
I was thinking -do you think a distributor could take the government to the European Court of Human Rights? I'm sure that the censorship we have in this country is against the Human Rights act. As well as the turds at the BBFC we also have laws about obscenity and blasphemy that are outdated and unclear.
I was thinking -do you think a distributor could take the government to the European Court of Human Rights? I'm sure that the censorship we have in this country is against the Human Rights act. As well as the turds at the BBFC we also have laws about obscenity and blasphemy that are outdated and unclear.
Blackhole wrote:
Look at
> other parts of the world that don't have such strict censorship.
This would be pretty much the rest of the world then? :)
Look at
> other parts of the world that don't have such strict censorship.
This would be pretty much the rest of the world then? :)
In my last post I mentioned 'Farewell to the Flesh' but this was a mistake -I actually meant 'The Flower, the Flesh and the Blood', this is part of the infamous Japanese series of horror movies, Guinea Pig. The film is about a Japanese man who, dressed as a samauri, abducts and tortures a woman. The film is so violent and shocking that (rumour has it) Charlie Sheen saw the film and called the FBI believing it to be a real murder video.
To say that the public is going to demand genuine snuff movies if film censorship is abolished is absoloutly ridiculous.
Look at other parts of the world that don't have such strict censorship. I have seen things in Japanese imported films that made me feel physically sick. Yet Japanese moviegoers don't demand snuff movies. There is actually no evidence that a snuff movie has ever been made, though their have been suspected snuff movies such as Cannibal Holocaust and Farewell to the Flesh that were later proved not to feature real deaths.
We are not all so shallow that all we want is gore, gore and more gore. I certainly can't see that there is a demand from the public for more ultra violent movies. Most people dislike extreme violence and won't go and see an obscenly violent film. Despite the success of violent movies such as Hannibal, many films such as Fight Club have been largely rejected at the box office because of the violence in them. Sexually explicit films such as Baise-Moi (and no, I'm not going to translate that in this newsgroup!) and Intimacy have also been rejected by the mainstream movie going audience because people simply don't want to see things this extreme.
We live in a society where people actually enjoy films such as Pearl Harbor that depict violence in a sanatised, family friendly way -do you really think we will go from that to real deaths just because censorship is abolished? It just isn't going to happen.
My personal opinion of censorship is that it is very, very wrong. It is crucially important that any artform, whether it is literature, painting or film pushes the boundaries of acceptability. This helps to propel society forward.
Living that does not help society and has overstepped tin a society has never been about freedom -it is about creating restrictions that benefit the majority and allow people to live in some form of harmony. I accept that if I stab you in the head then you will have me arrested. You accept that if you break my legs with a hammer then you will be arrested. We need these restrictions to encourage people to live together peacefully. However, I feel that censorship is one of these restrictions he mark.
Censorship just helps to reinforce the idea that film is a 'dangerous' medium that can warp our minds and be used as a scapegoat when humans do terrible things. While films can certainly alter our mood and sometimes have a profound affect on us, they can't make us change our morality. There is no ignoring the simple fact that humans do evil, disgusting things -films just reflect this.
While I am opposed to censorship, I think age restrictions are a very good idea. I believe that the certificates we should have our U, PG, PG-12, 12, 15 and 15X. Films in the 15X category would be ones that had not been submitted to the ratings board -similar to the 'Unrated' category in America. I also think that spot checks should sometimes be carried out on peoples homes to check that they do not have films that would be unsuitable for their children in a place that the children can access them. Keep those video nasties under lock and key!
Look at other parts of the world that don't have such strict censorship. I have seen things in Japanese imported films that made me feel physically sick. Yet Japanese moviegoers don't demand snuff movies. There is actually no evidence that a snuff movie has ever been made, though their have been suspected snuff movies such as Cannibal Holocaust and Farewell to the Flesh that were later proved not to feature real deaths.
We are not all so shallow that all we want is gore, gore and more gore. I certainly can't see that there is a demand from the public for more ultra violent movies. Most people dislike extreme violence and won't go and see an obscenly violent film. Despite the success of violent movies such as Hannibal, many films such as Fight Club have been largely rejected at the box office because of the violence in them. Sexually explicit films such as Baise-Moi (and no, I'm not going to translate that in this newsgroup!) and Intimacy have also been rejected by the mainstream movie going audience because people simply don't want to see things this extreme.
We live in a society where people actually enjoy films such as Pearl Harbor that depict violence in a sanatised, family friendly way -do you really think we will go from that to real deaths just because censorship is abolished? It just isn't going to happen.
My personal opinion of censorship is that it is very, very wrong. It is crucially important that any artform, whether it is literature, painting or film pushes the boundaries of acceptability. This helps to propel society forward.
Living that does not help society and has overstepped tin a society has never been about freedom -it is about creating restrictions that benefit the majority and allow people to live in some form of harmony. I accept that if I stab you in the head then you will have me arrested. You accept that if you break my legs with a hammer then you will be arrested. We need these restrictions to encourage people to live together peacefully. However, I feel that censorship is one of these restrictions he mark.
Censorship just helps to reinforce the idea that film is a 'dangerous' medium that can warp our minds and be used as a scapegoat when humans do terrible things. While films can certainly alter our mood and sometimes have a profound affect on us, they can't make us change our morality. There is no ignoring the simple fact that humans do evil, disgusting things -films just reflect this.
While I am opposed to censorship, I think age restrictions are a very good idea. I believe that the certificates we should have our U, PG, PG-12, 12, 15 and 15X. Films in the 15X category would be ones that had not been submitted to the ratings board -similar to the 'Unrated' category in America. I also think that spot checks should sometimes be carried out on peoples homes to check that they do not have films that would be unsuitable for their children in a place that the children can access them. Keep those video nasties under lock and key!
A new rule for normal TV is that adult material can be shown freely after 9pm. Even when i watched 4Later at like 3 in the morning some of the sweating was edited flipping heck oh except for that Karoke fishtank fella hahaha.
I have just got one gripe with what you have just said Mewtwo. If they did remove censorship, so that the film producers cam show what they want then violent films will become very very violent. But then you have the problem that when all become used to seeing horrific graphic violence which they cant show right now, what then?
People are going to get used to fake disgusting blood and guts being sprayed everywhere so then they will want ultimate realism and real blood and guts, its natural. When you were a kid what did you watch? Cartoons of course. then as you get older you see things that progressively get more violent etc. untill it cant get any worse than it actually happening.
This is scarey that one day people could end up shooting real people to make it realistic, Because there is only so much that you can act and that special effects can do and people are wanting it to be more realistic, and the only way it can be more realistic is to show people it really happening. Yeah that sounds really good. Then the films will be rated by how many people were actually killed in the making of the film, and not by how disgusting it is.
What sort of a world is that?
If the studios want to show uncensored films than it would have to be in a seperate building to the cinemas now. Otherwise if you happened to walk into the wrong room, which I have done, then you could get some pretty traumatised people!
Seeya Ben
People are going to get used to fake disgusting blood and guts being sprayed everywhere so then they will want ultimate realism and real blood and guts, its natural. When you were a kid what did you watch? Cartoons of course. then as you get older you see things that progressively get more violent etc. untill it cant get any worse than it actually happening.
This is scarey that one day people could end up shooting real people to make it realistic, Because there is only so much that you can act and that special effects can do and people are wanting it to be more realistic, and the only way it can be more realistic is to show people it really happening. Yeah that sounds really good. Then the films will be rated by how many people were actually killed in the making of the film, and not by how disgusting it is.
What sort of a world is that?
If the studios want to show uncensored films than it would have to be in a seperate building to the cinemas now. Otherwise if you happened to walk into the wrong room, which I have done, then you could get some pretty traumatised people!
Seeya Ben
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