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Even with the rumours that *good old* J.R (i.e retarded hick boy) might be leaving the RAW commentary team and being replaced by Mike Goldberg from UFC (which would then give the interesting scenario of Joey Styles maybe taking the hot seat there seeing as his contract only extends to professional wrestling) i still felt women's wrestling was the right subject to write about this week if only because we did actually have a 3 on 2 bra and panties match on RAW and at the moment the rumours about J.R are just that, rumours.
So yes this week, coming under the incredibly critical eye of the forums resident Yankee Doodle Kawada, are the women of the sport we like so much.
Other than Japan, women's wrestling hasn't been that big over here in the west. It is seen more of a side show, a break from the action so the males in the audience can have something nice to look at for 5 or so minutes before the sweaty men come back out again. Women are the side piece, the ones who accompany the male stars or get in the ring to fill 5 minutes in a show because the booker couldn't think of anything else. They're usually only there for sexual appeal, attracting that all important 18-49 male demographic each wrestling organisation strives so hard to obtain.
In other words, the average fan cares about as much for the actual wrestling in a women's match as much as they care about another exciting masterlock challenge.................and thank god for the WWE they do.
I'll get to the atrocious WWE women's roster in a bit but right now let me take you back when women's wrestling at least had some credibility in the States. Back in the days of people like Donna Christanello, Barbie Dahl, Gladys Gillem, Penny Banner and yes of course Mae Young and Moolah. These women knew how to wrestle and fight and put on matches that weren't botch fests and were actually enjoyable to watch. They were beginning to smash open the doors that had been previously closed and made promoters and the public actually take notice of women's wrestling and think to themselves *hey these women can actually wrestle some* and think of them as something more than just a pretty thing on the end of a male wrestler's arm. It was quite a golden age of women's wrestling.
And then Andy Kaufman came along.
The star of Taxi and Saturday Night Live began wrestling women in 1979 and pretty much made a laughing stock of women everywhere with his act of clowning around and embarrasing them and became the first ever inter-gender wrestling champion and retired having never lost a match. It pretty much put women's wrestling back to square one at trying to be respected.
Then in the mid to late 80's G.L.O.W (Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling) arrived on tv. A real hit and miss affair that offered some good matches but was mostly a camp, over the top affair that was women's wrestling equivalent to Graham Norton. To its credit though it did get people back interested in women's wrestling and gave decent performers like Ivory a place to show off their skills while wrestlers like Candi Devine, Sherri Martel and Wendi Richter enjoyed the revitalised interest people had in women's wrestling as it began to build back it's shattered reputation.
In the early 90's women's wrestling was going pretty strong with competitors like Alundra Blayze and Brandi Alexander locking up, or in Francine's case, fighting :-D. However Alundra Blayze would be responsible for starting the countdown to the end of women's wrestling in the west.
Originally brought in by Vince to kickstart a women's division to capitalise on the interest she eventually got disenchanted by the standard of competition in the WWF and in November 1995 showed up on Nitro and publicly threw the WWF women's title in a trash can, an incident that some people believe is why Vince decided to screw Bret in Montreal. This incident not only discredited Vince and the WWF but also the women's title and women's wrestling as a whole itself, a blatant act of disrespect and distain shown towards the biggest company in the industry's belt and therefore the most important belt a female wrestler can hold. (Like Joey Styles said *i hate to say it, but it's the truth*)
Vince tried to carry on with wrestlers like Jazz, Molly Holly and Victoria but it was evident women wrestlers were becoming replaced by *divas* A step up from valet's like Miss Elizabeth but still nowhere near as good as the women of yesteryear or the women who were and are currently wrestling in Japan and local indy fed's (Alexis Laree, Gail Kim and Victoria exceptions)
Then came the darkest day of women's wrestling, 8th July 2002 - The day Women's wrestling officially died and what little credibility was left was wiped away, in the Western world anyway. Just in case some of you don't remember that date let me take you back
Bradshaw & Stratus vs Nowinski and Gayda. Ring any bells? Probably the most embarrasing, worst, god awful match in the history of wrestling. Virtually everything the two women did resulted in a botch, from a botched drop toe hold, a botched irish whip and a botched finish where it took Jackie about 6 months before realising she was meant to fall down after a top rope bulldog (and even then fell backwards instead of the more logical forwards direction) leaving everyone either in a state of shock or fits of laughter. These 2 had managed to do in 4 minutes what it took Kaufman 4 years to do and to a much larger degree then he could ever have hoped to achieve, a complete embarrasment to women wrestlers everywhere.
It's little wonder that in the last couple of years Vince has decided to scrap the idea of proper wrestling matches and gone for matches which include - chocolate pudding matches, bra and panties matches and paddle on a pole matches and of course the horrible diva contests.
Luckily though places like ROH haven't given up on women's wrestling and still put on good exciting matches and of course anyone after some good female wrestling action only has to look to Japan to see how it's done. Wrestlers like Manami Toyota, Ayako Hamada, Aja Kong, Bull Nakano, Devil Masami, Megumi Kudo, Sugar Sato, Sumie Sakai etc etc show us it is very possible for women to entertain us in the squared circle and put on 3 to 5 star matches that put most of the male superstars of the WWE to shame.
So for those who actually expect women who are in a wrestling company to actually wrestle instead of doing what any low rate xxx-rated tv channel does far better it may look like women's wrestling died during that night in July 2002. However it's still going strong thanks to our Japanese cousins and there's always stars out on the indy circuit to see and who knows, with TNA signing Gail Kim we could see an influx of female WRESTLERS into mainstream western tv again, which is extremely possible what with GAEA closing and it could soon rise from the ashes. Here's hoping.
Next week - The commentary teams get Kriticised
So yes this week, coming under the incredibly critical eye of the forums resident Yankee Doodle Kawada, are the women of the sport we like so much.
Other than Japan, women's wrestling hasn't been that big over here in the west. It is seen more of a side show, a break from the action so the males in the audience can have something nice to look at for 5 or so minutes before the sweaty men come back out again. Women are the side piece, the ones who accompany the male stars or get in the ring to fill 5 minutes in a show because the booker couldn't think of anything else. They're usually only there for sexual appeal, attracting that all important 18-49 male demographic each wrestling organisation strives so hard to obtain.
In other words, the average fan cares about as much for the actual wrestling in a women's match as much as they care about another exciting masterlock challenge.................and thank god for the WWE they do.
I'll get to the atrocious WWE women's roster in a bit but right now let me take you back when women's wrestling at least had some credibility in the States. Back in the days of people like Donna Christanello, Barbie Dahl, Gladys Gillem, Penny Banner and yes of course Mae Young and Moolah. These women knew how to wrestle and fight and put on matches that weren't botch fests and were actually enjoyable to watch. They were beginning to smash open the doors that had been previously closed and made promoters and the public actually take notice of women's wrestling and think to themselves *hey these women can actually wrestle some* and think of them as something more than just a pretty thing on the end of a male wrestler's arm. It was quite a golden age of women's wrestling.
And then Andy Kaufman came along.
The star of Taxi and Saturday Night Live began wrestling women in 1979 and pretty much made a laughing stock of women everywhere with his act of clowning around and embarrasing them and became the first ever inter-gender wrestling champion and retired having never lost a match. It pretty much put women's wrestling back to square one at trying to be respected.
Then in the mid to late 80's G.L.O.W (Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling) arrived on tv. A real hit and miss affair that offered some good matches but was mostly a camp, over the top affair that was women's wrestling equivalent to Graham Norton. To its credit though it did get people back interested in women's wrestling and gave decent performers like Ivory a place to show off their skills while wrestlers like Candi Devine, Sherri Martel and Wendi Richter enjoyed the revitalised interest people had in women's wrestling as it began to build back it's shattered reputation.
In the early 90's women's wrestling was going pretty strong with competitors like Alundra Blayze and Brandi Alexander locking up, or in Francine's case, fighting :-D. However Alundra Blayze would be responsible for starting the countdown to the end of women's wrestling in the west.
Originally brought in by Vince to kickstart a women's division to capitalise on the interest she eventually got disenchanted by the standard of competition in the WWF and in November 1995 showed up on Nitro and publicly threw the WWF women's title in a trash can, an incident that some people believe is why Vince decided to screw Bret in Montreal. This incident not only discredited Vince and the WWF but also the women's title and women's wrestling as a whole itself, a blatant act of disrespect and distain shown towards the biggest company in the industry's belt and therefore the most important belt a female wrestler can hold. (Like Joey Styles said *i hate to say it, but it's the truth*)
Vince tried to carry on with wrestlers like Jazz, Molly Holly and Victoria but it was evident women wrestlers were becoming replaced by *divas* A step up from valet's like Miss Elizabeth but still nowhere near as good as the women of yesteryear or the women who were and are currently wrestling in Japan and local indy fed's (Alexis Laree, Gail Kim and Victoria exceptions)
Then came the darkest day of women's wrestling, 8th July 2002 - The day Women's wrestling officially died and what little credibility was left was wiped away, in the Western world anyway. Just in case some of you don't remember that date let me take you back
Bradshaw & Stratus vs Nowinski and Gayda. Ring any bells? Probably the most embarrasing, worst, god awful match in the history of wrestling. Virtually everything the two women did resulted in a botch, from a botched drop toe hold, a botched irish whip and a botched finish where it took Jackie about 6 months before realising she was meant to fall down after a top rope bulldog (and even then fell backwards instead of the more logical forwards direction) leaving everyone either in a state of shock or fits of laughter. These 2 had managed to do in 4 minutes what it took Kaufman 4 years to do and to a much larger degree then he could ever have hoped to achieve, a complete embarrasment to women wrestlers everywhere.
It's little wonder that in the last couple of years Vince has decided to scrap the idea of proper wrestling matches and gone for matches which include - chocolate pudding matches, bra and panties matches and paddle on a pole matches and of course the horrible diva contests.
Luckily though places like ROH haven't given up on women's wrestling and still put on good exciting matches and of course anyone after some good female wrestling action only has to look to Japan to see how it's done. Wrestlers like Manami Toyota, Ayako Hamada, Aja Kong, Bull Nakano, Devil Masami, Megumi Kudo, Sugar Sato, Sumie Sakai etc etc show us it is very possible for women to entertain us in the squared circle and put on 3 to 5 star matches that put most of the male superstars of the WWE to shame.
So for those who actually expect women who are in a wrestling company to actually wrestle instead of doing what any low rate xxx-rated tv channel does far better it may look like women's wrestling died during that night in July 2002. However it's still going strong thanks to our Japanese cousins and there's always stars out on the indy circuit to see and who knows, with TNA signing Gail Kim we could see an influx of female WRESTLERS into mainstream western tv again, which is extremely possible what with GAEA closing and it could soon rise from the ashes. Here's hoping.
Next week - The commentary teams get Kriticised
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Well done you can read, so now we've established you're as smart as a 5 year old. What's the next amazing trick, going to write us a letter with joined up writing?
Anyway that's enough attention to you, get on MSN Congy i have a question for ye
Anyway that's enough attention to you, get on MSN Congy i have a question for ye
snake10 wrote:
> Kawada wrote:
> snake10 wrote:
>
> The Beano and the little comment from the page 3 model in The Sun
> don't count
> okay,i admit it.
> i wasnt thinking straight.
> but ive read alot of books:
> the redemption of althalus,900 pages
> eragon,500
> eldest,700
> the whole chronicles of narnia-when i was 7.
> shall i go on?
> note:the pages are more or less the same as the numbers there.
Ah right. Sorry I hadn't realised that you were so so well read. The fact that you've read some books obviously makes you superior to us all.
snicker
> Kawada wrote:
> snake10 wrote:
>
> The Beano and the little comment from the page 3 model in The Sun
> don't count
> okay,i admit it.
> i wasnt thinking straight.
> but ive read alot of books:
> the redemption of althalus,900 pages
> eragon,500
> eldest,700
> the whole chronicles of narnia-when i was 7.
> shall i go on?
> note:the pages are more or less the same as the numbers there.
Ah right. Sorry I hadn't realised that you were so so well read. The fact that you've read some books obviously makes you superior to us all.
snicker
Kawada wrote:
> snake10 wrote:
> The Beano and the little comment from the page 3 model in The Sun
> don't count
okay,i admit it.
i wasnt thinking straight.
but ive read alot of books:
the redemption of althalus,900 pages
eragon,500
eldest,700
the whole chronicles of narnia-when i was 7.
shall i go on?
note:the pages are more or less the same as the numbers there.
> snake10 wrote:
> The Beano and the little comment from the page 3 model in The Sun
> don't count
okay,i admit it.
i wasnt thinking straight.
but ive read alot of books:
the redemption of althalus,900 pages
eragon,500
eldest,700
the whole chronicles of narnia-when i was 7.
shall i go on?
note:the pages are more or less the same as the numbers there.
snake10 wrote:
> yeah whatever d**k
Ouch, that hurts *weeps*
> ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
The Beano and the little comment from the page 3 model in The Sun don't count
> im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to
> hell.
Didn't say you couldn't did I? I just merely gave my opinion in return which i'm also pretty sure i'm allowed to do.
>you stop at me and ill leave you alone,but im going to defend myself if
>anyone says anything about me.
Yet no one did say anything about you but you come in and ruin a topic that was attempting to get some decent intelligent conversation going. That fell on it's ass now didn't it? Don't want an argument? Don't start one then moron especially not with me as i'll damn sure finish it, now please be quiet and run along and take your unique brand of idiocy along with you.
> yeah whatever d**k
Ouch, that hurts *weeps*
> ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
The Beano and the little comment from the page 3 model in The Sun don't count
> im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to
> hell.
Didn't say you couldn't did I? I just merely gave my opinion in return which i'm also pretty sure i'm allowed to do.
>you stop at me and ill leave you alone,but im going to defend myself if
>anyone says anything about me.
Yet no one did say anything about you but you come in and ruin a topic that was attempting to get some decent intelligent conversation going. That fell on it's ass now didn't it? Don't want an argument? Don't start one then moron especially not with me as i'll damn sure finish it, now please be quiet and run along and take your unique brand of idiocy along with you.
snake10 wrote:
> you stop at me and ill leave you alone,but im going to defend myself
> if anyone says anything about me.
I think you'll find you started it by adding nothing to a topic designed for discussion.
> you stop at me and ill leave you alone,but im going to defend myself
> if anyone says anything about me.
I think you'll find you started it by adding nothing to a topic designed for discussion.
Cong_Man wrote:
> snake10 wrote:
> ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
> im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to
> hell.
>
> Suddenly everything becomes clear...
>
> In the coming years young man, you will learn the difference between
> contructive criticism and being an ****.
in one ear and out the other ape.
you stop at me and ill leave you alone,but im going to defend myself if anyone says anything about me.
> snake10 wrote:
> ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
> im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to
> hell.
>
> Suddenly everything becomes clear...
>
> In the coming years young man, you will learn the difference between
> contructive criticism and being an ****.
in one ear and out the other ape.
you stop at me and ill leave you alone,but im going to defend myself if anyone says anything about me.
snake10 wrote:
> ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
> im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to
> hell.
Suddenly everything becomes clear...
In the coming years young man, you will learn the difference between contructive criticism and being an ****.
> ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
> im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to
> hell.
Suddenly everything becomes clear...
In the coming years young man, you will learn the difference between contructive criticism and being an ****.
Cong_Man wrote:
> Good work young man. Totally agree with everything said there and you
> managed to get the point across with only a brief mention of Molly
> Holly...
Thank ye, i'm also quite pleased i managed to avoid a HHH reference :-D
I didn't talk much about Holly as we do that now along with the others so i concentrated more on the history
> Good work young man. Totally agree with everything said there and you
> managed to get the point across with only a brief mention of Molly
> Holly...
Thank ye, i'm also quite pleased i managed to avoid a HHH reference :-D
I didn't talk much about Holly as we do that now along with the others so i concentrated more on the history
Kawada wrote:
> Only morons like yourself who struggle to read anything more than a
> couple of lines in length and with words that have more than 4
> letters would do that and those are the sort of people i'm not
> interested in when i write. I'm interested in hearing opinions from
> Cong Man and others who actually have a brain and get their replies
> and their views.
>
> and yes i am the same person like i was the other times you asked
> that same question and i still couldn't really give a toss about your
> opinion of me, i'm sure i'll live.
>
> Now move along and let the grown ups talk
yeah whatever d**k
ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to hell.
> Only morons like yourself who struggle to read anything more than a
> couple of lines in length and with words that have more than 4
> letters would do that and those are the sort of people i'm not
> interested in when i write. I'm interested in hearing opinions from
> Cong Man and others who actually have a brain and get their replies
> and their views.
>
> and yes i am the same person like i was the other times you asked
> that same question and i still couldn't really give a toss about your
> opinion of me, i'm sure i'll live.
>
> Now move along and let the grown ups talk
yeah whatever d**k
ive probabley read more than you at my age and im only 11.
im pretty sure im aloud to voice my opinion on these forums,so go to hell.
Only morons like yourself who struggle to read anything more than a couple of lines in length and with words that have more than 4 letters would do that and those are the sort of people i'm not interested in when i write. I'm interested in hearing opinions from Cong Man and others who actually have a brain and get their replies and their views.
and yes i am the same person like i was the other times you asked that same question and i still couldn't really give a toss about your opinion of me, i'm sure i'll live.
Now move along and let the grown ups talk
and yes i am the same person like i was the other times you asked that same question and i still couldn't really give a toss about your opinion of me, i'm sure i'll live.
Now move along and let the grown ups talk
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