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Wed 05/10/05 at 17:58
"slightlyshortertagl"
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Anyone else here fasting?

I'm huuunngggrrryyyy :(

Oooops, wrong forum
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:56
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"8==="
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tnc do you accept 'american' to be a race, albeit a new one?
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:55
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Posts: 33,481
tnc wrote:
>
>
> It isn't though. Saying someone from that race must be a follower of
> a certain religion would be racism, but that's not what I'm saying.
> I'm saying that anyone who follows a religion classes the religion as
> an integral part of themself.

No, you weren't:

tnc wrote:
>
> the simple
> fact that someone's race is also their religion.
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:53
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"The definitive tag"
Posts: 3,752
tnc wrote:
> the simple
> fact that someone's race is also their religion.

That is indeed, crap.

My race is Caucasian, is that my religion? No it isn't, nor is it anybody else's.
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:53
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tnc wrote:

>
>
> No, I'm using it as an example of how the followers of a religion are
> treated as a race, so the prejudice is racism.

Nope.

> Yes, the point is the same that they thought the religion was linked
> to someone's race (as it is), so, the comment is racism.

The Fascists were wrong.
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:53
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Hedfix wrote:
> tnc wrote:
>
> Christinity and Judaism
>
> Oh they're the same religion are they? Look your theory's already
> muddled
> by your own admission.

Admittedly I was slightly, but only because I forgot Christianity. Baring in mind the weakness of your argument I thought you'd take my comment of 'Christianiy' to be racist and thus wrong.

> It is racism as it refers to a race, the point remains that 'race'
> is
> just as much religion as it is physical difference.
>
> No, and to think that is racist in itself.

It isn't though. Saying someone from that race must be a follower of a certain religion would be racism, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that anyone who follows a religion classes the religion as an integral part of themself.
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:51
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"8==="
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tnc wrote:
>
> I'm not saying something like 'they're white - so they're Christian',
> I'm just saying it depends on the part of the world in which you were
> born. If you were born in the Far East it is more likely you would
> become a Buddhist.


No, you were presenting it as fact:


tnc wrote:
>
>
> the simple
> fact that someone's race is also their religion.
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:50
Regular
"topgamer above all"
Posts: 139
Maybe both of you are right in a way and wrong in a way (and I am lost in a way)
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:50
Regular
Posts: 5,848
Hedfix wrote:
> tnc wrote:
>
> If you link the religion with the race (topography - where it is
> loacted and so the areas where that religion is predominant) then
> the
> thing is still racism.
>
> Nope, infact to suggest a person is a certain religion because of
> their skin colour is infact racist in itself.


I'm not saying something like 'they're white - so they're Christian', I'm just saying it depends on the part of the world in which you were born. If you were born in the Far East it is more likely you would become a Buddhist.

> Jews living in Germany at the time of Hitler didn't have a different
> skin colour, but their religious race had different ideas to him and
> they were discriminated against as a race.
>
> Ah well Hitler certainly wasn't chagning things to suit his ends at
> all...


No, I'm using it as an example of how the followers of a religion are treated as a race, so the prejudice is racism.

> The point with Hitler also fits in with "that a particular race
> is superior to others".
>
> German race.

Yes, the point is the same that they thought the religion was linked to someone's race (as it is), so, the comment is racism.
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:50
Regular
Posts: 9,995
Will I get banned for sitting back and enjoying the argument?
Thu 06/10/05 at 21:48
Regular
"8==="
Posts: 33,481
tnc wrote:
>
> Christinity and Judaism

Oh they're the same religion are they? Look your theory's already muddled
by your own admission.

>
> It is racism as it refers to a race, the point remains that 'race' is
> just as much religion as it is physical difference.

No, and to think that is racist in itself.


> the simple
> fact that someone's race is also their religion.

No. That's not fact, that's balls.

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