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(Game supply getting low?)
Just leave it. I'm allowed to make big topics if I want to.
(You just want a game though, don't you?)
Yeah, I want a game.
(See, that wasn't hard.)
I just thought it would be a nice time to bring back my old hatred. I like having a good rant about things I hate.
(I expect my topic is in the pipeline.)
FMV is beyond a joke now. When it first appeared, God knows when, when some twisted sicko decided that playing a game isn't good enough, and decided that you should watch a sequence that would be much more amazing if you could actually play it, people were sucked into the mystique of playing a filmgame.
A few minutes later, the gamers got bored, and advertisers started rubbing their filthy hands together.
Oh yes. Full Motion Video is here to stay, and if we are to live in harmony, it needs to be toned down.
Squaresoft, I'm afraid, are a huge target of this. Their games, riddled with break ups in the gameplay are more of a bother to me than making it a much nicer experience. Pointless as it seems to me, it still encourages millions of people to buy the game. Before I am corrected by the onflock of the Final Fantasy series lovers (Which has the be the greatest oxymoron ever...), I better point out that when you actually get to play the game, the gameplay is quite good.
FMV can be very good at times though. When used efficiently, IE, before the game starts, or when the game ends... it works excellently. Even a short burst at the start of a level or end, is good. Such as Jedi Knight, despite lacklustre acting, is a good break from the gameplay, and a little "reward" to finishing the level.
I'm sure one or two people remember Fast Food Dizzy on the C64 or equivalent. If you remember, after you completed a level, a small action sequence was shown, of Dizzy escaping from the rip offs of the ghosts from Pac Man. Such as Dizzy escaping in a plane, or running them over in a steamroller.
This could be the very first start to FMV. Although the sequence is actually FMA, or Full Motion Animation, which basically means that the action is created with the game engine, it did insinuate that there was a break from gameplay, and something happened that was beyond your control, albeit slightly humorous.
I seem to have lost my train of thought. This usually happens mid post, and encourages me to read through my post to find out where the hell I started, and how I got here.
Bear with me. Obviously the wait is much shorter for you, still though, please be patient.
Oh right. FMV.
The only way you could describe FMV fully, is by calling it "false advertising." Used in hundreds of commercials, mostly Playstation ones, and Playstation twos, it conveys the image of this super game... looking better than anything you've ever seen... and then actually buying and playing the game, and finding out it's the most gut-wrenchingly awful games, graphics and gameplay wise, you've ever encountered.
A bit like the devil showing you paradise in hell... until you actually get there, and have to stand on your head in a swimming pool of faeces for 24 hours a day.
Damn, I'm lost again.
Half-Life had the right idea. Deus Ex was close, but Half-Life is the real great one. It never takes you out of your body... well, not in my version anyway. The story always flows on, and you never lose control of Gordon, and never go outside the realms of his skin. Not a nice description, sorry.
Deus Ex is close. Any FMA sequence is only that of you ending a level, or talking to someone. It works very well, and you do, in a way, become JC Denton. This certainly wouldn't be possible if every little action sequence that advanced the plot involved the screen going black and a pre-rendered action sequence appearing, with huge explosions and a much better looking game than what you've just been playing...
Damn. I seem to be repeating myself. I should delete all this and start again... but I can't be bothered.
(Shall I continue?)
Do you have anything to say about FMV?
(Not really. Just thought I would type some crap that's already been mentioned before. Continued the trend, as it were.)
Thanks.
(No problem. Shall I then?)
No. I'm still trying to find a main point though.
(How about: games are becoming too much like films.)
Yeah, that will do.
In a way though, they are. Games and films are two completely different art forms... and yes; I do believe game making to be an art.
Games allow you to become a character, and films allow you to watch a character. Simple as that.
(Didn't you already write a topic about this?)
Yeah, but I thought we could discuss it again.
(Then why not pop the old one?)
Oh shut up.
Now, when FMV comes along, adding elements of not playing games... it takes away the element of gaming. Taking you away from the escapism of becoming a character, and putting you into the third person faction. Indeed, this isn't really wrong, but it's not gaming.
(So what is gaming?)
Glad you asked. Gaming is the ability to transform you, plain old Joe, and turn you into this wonderful being, able to do a hell of a lot more things than what you can in real life, and make it fun at the same time. Without getting arrested.
(And so on.)
Yeah. Personally, I like most types of genres. Train sims aren't a must for me, but then, I doubt they are for most people.
(Cybernet gave it a good review the other day. It was quite funny, she commented on how good the graphics were.)
Ohh... good point. If you were to compare films to games, there is a certain viewpoint that which you can.
Special effects in games, and graphics in films... oh no, other way round.
Special effects, if concentrated on, ruin the plot and the enjoyment of the film. Like graphics.
Special effects have evolved over the years, becoming better and greater to look at. As have graphics.
Special effects are the thing that film previews seem to spend more time focusing on. Same with graphics in games previews.
This is true 99% of the time, anyway. Some games can look great, and play great too. If you're looking for a great game though, don't look at the pictures; look at how it plays.
One last thing... the thing that seems to be so easily overlooked... and so many people seem to forget...
The controls. This, my dear friends, is the meaning of games. The Holy Grail of the gaming world. If you can get easy controls, you've got a great game. It's the one thing you should know about games.
(Which is funny, because no one has bothered reading this far.)
Hmmm.
Well, not so much easy controls... The word is intuitive.
In Jedi Knight, again, you were given a lightsaber. The wonderful controls of the game made you feel as if you were making the lightsaber move in it's wonderful ways. The movement of the mouse depended where the saber was swung... and a quick centre button click would allow you to double swing it. Easy.
Compare this to The Phantom Menace. Not the film... everything looks good compared to that. The game, the third person one.
*click click click click*
That's all it was. It wasn't fun. The level design wasn't that good either... but there were no feelings to the control. You weren't a jedi, you were a puppet master.
Perhaps controls aren't everything, but they certainly add to the gameplay.
(Anything else?)
I've got a huge list. Movie tie ins was supposed to fit in above... lack of games out at the moment, general low in gaming industry...
Nah, can't be bothered. The Post This Message button is too attractive, and I want to write in the story.
By the way, if you did read it all, you're an idiot. Never read something this big, it won't teach you anything.
Just leave it. I'm allowed to make big topics if I want to.
(You just want a game though, don't you?)
Yeah, I want a game.
(See, that wasn't hard.)
I just thought it would be a nice time to bring back my old hatred. I like having a good rant about things I hate.
(I expect my topic is in the pipeline.)
FMV is beyond a joke now. When it first appeared, God knows when, when some twisted sicko decided that playing a game isn't good enough, and decided that you should watch a sequence that would be much more amazing if you could actually play it, people were sucked into the mystique of playing a filmgame.
A few minutes later, the gamers got bored, and advertisers started rubbing their filthy hands together.
Oh yes. Full Motion Video is here to stay, and if we are to live in harmony, it needs to be toned down.
Squaresoft, I'm afraid, are a huge target of this. Their games, riddled with break ups in the gameplay are more of a bother to me than making it a much nicer experience. Pointless as it seems to me, it still encourages millions of people to buy the game. Before I am corrected by the onflock of the Final Fantasy series lovers (Which has the be the greatest oxymoron ever...), I better point out that when you actually get to play the game, the gameplay is quite good.
FMV can be very good at times though. When used efficiently, IE, before the game starts, or when the game ends... it works excellently. Even a short burst at the start of a level or end, is good. Such as Jedi Knight, despite lacklustre acting, is a good break from the gameplay, and a little "reward" to finishing the level.
I'm sure one or two people remember Fast Food Dizzy on the C64 or equivalent. If you remember, after you completed a level, a small action sequence was shown, of Dizzy escaping from the rip offs of the ghosts from Pac Man. Such as Dizzy escaping in a plane, or running them over in a steamroller.
This could be the very first start to FMV. Although the sequence is actually FMA, or Full Motion Animation, which basically means that the action is created with the game engine, it did insinuate that there was a break from gameplay, and something happened that was beyond your control, albeit slightly humorous.
I seem to have lost my train of thought. This usually happens mid post, and encourages me to read through my post to find out where the hell I started, and how I got here.
Bear with me. Obviously the wait is much shorter for you, still though, please be patient.
Oh right. FMV.
The only way you could describe FMV fully, is by calling it "false advertising." Used in hundreds of commercials, mostly Playstation ones, and Playstation twos, it conveys the image of this super game... looking better than anything you've ever seen... and then actually buying and playing the game, and finding out it's the most gut-wrenchingly awful games, graphics and gameplay wise, you've ever encountered.
A bit like the devil showing you paradise in hell... until you actually get there, and have to stand on your head in a swimming pool of faeces for 24 hours a day.
Damn, I'm lost again.
Half-Life had the right idea. Deus Ex was close, but Half-Life is the real great one. It never takes you out of your body... well, not in my version anyway. The story always flows on, and you never lose control of Gordon, and never go outside the realms of his skin. Not a nice description, sorry.
Deus Ex is close. Any FMA sequence is only that of you ending a level, or talking to someone. It works very well, and you do, in a way, become JC Denton. This certainly wouldn't be possible if every little action sequence that advanced the plot involved the screen going black and a pre-rendered action sequence appearing, with huge explosions and a much better looking game than what you've just been playing...
Damn. I seem to be repeating myself. I should delete all this and start again... but I can't be bothered.
(Shall I continue?)
Do you have anything to say about FMV?
(Not really. Just thought I would type some crap that's already been mentioned before. Continued the trend, as it were.)
Thanks.
(No problem. Shall I then?)
No. I'm still trying to find a main point though.
(How about: games are becoming too much like films.)
Yeah, that will do.
In a way though, they are. Games and films are two completely different art forms... and yes; I do believe game making to be an art.
Games allow you to become a character, and films allow you to watch a character. Simple as that.
(Didn't you already write a topic about this?)
Yeah, but I thought we could discuss it again.
(Then why not pop the old one?)
Oh shut up.
Now, when FMV comes along, adding elements of not playing games... it takes away the element of gaming. Taking you away from the escapism of becoming a character, and putting you into the third person faction. Indeed, this isn't really wrong, but it's not gaming.
(So what is gaming?)
Glad you asked. Gaming is the ability to transform you, plain old Joe, and turn you into this wonderful being, able to do a hell of a lot more things than what you can in real life, and make it fun at the same time. Without getting arrested.
(And so on.)
Yeah. Personally, I like most types of genres. Train sims aren't a must for me, but then, I doubt they are for most people.
(Cybernet gave it a good review the other day. It was quite funny, she commented on how good the graphics were.)
Ohh... good point. If you were to compare films to games, there is a certain viewpoint that which you can.
Special effects in games, and graphics in films... oh no, other way round.
Special effects, if concentrated on, ruin the plot and the enjoyment of the film. Like graphics.
Special effects have evolved over the years, becoming better and greater to look at. As have graphics.
Special effects are the thing that film previews seem to spend more time focusing on. Same with graphics in games previews.
This is true 99% of the time, anyway. Some games can look great, and play great too. If you're looking for a great game though, don't look at the pictures; look at how it plays.
One last thing... the thing that seems to be so easily overlooked... and so many people seem to forget...
The controls. This, my dear friends, is the meaning of games. The Holy Grail of the gaming world. If you can get easy controls, you've got a great game. It's the one thing you should know about games.
(Which is funny, because no one has bothered reading this far.)
Hmmm.
Well, not so much easy controls... The word is intuitive.
In Jedi Knight, again, you were given a lightsaber. The wonderful controls of the game made you feel as if you were making the lightsaber move in it's wonderful ways. The movement of the mouse depended where the saber was swung... and a quick centre button click would allow you to double swing it. Easy.
Compare this to The Phantom Menace. Not the film... everything looks good compared to that. The game, the third person one.
*click click click click*
That's all it was. It wasn't fun. The level design wasn't that good either... but there were no feelings to the control. You weren't a jedi, you were a puppet master.
Perhaps controls aren't everything, but they certainly add to the gameplay.
(Anything else?)
I've got a huge list. Movie tie ins was supposed to fit in above... lack of games out at the moment, general low in gaming industry...
Nah, can't be bothered. The Post This Message button is too attractive, and I want to write in the story.
By the way, if you did read it all, you're an idiot. Never read something this big, it won't teach you anything.
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Okay, I haven't read all, or in fact any of the replies in this topic yet, so I'll just say my piece, and if it's already been said, then so be it.
FMV. Pretty. Nice. Not part of the game.
Part of the story, maybe, but not part of the game.
A game that revolves heavily around story, such as an RPG, sometimes needs a little help to be told.
So stick an FMV sequence in there when you meet a character, face an enemy, or reach a goal.
It can be nice, but it does detract from the game a little if used in the middle of say a racer or something.
And it bugs me when its used in advertising. I want to see in game footage, anyone can produce good FMV, but can they have dozens of characters on a screen with no slowdown, or no pop-up as you drive down the road?
I'll stop there for now.
FMV. Pretty. Nice. Not part of the game.
Part of the story, maybe, but not part of the game.
A game that revolves heavily around story, such as an RPG, sometimes needs a little help to be told.
So stick an FMV sequence in there when you meet a character, face an enemy, or reach a goal.
It can be nice, but it does detract from the game a little if used in the middle of say a racer or something.
And it bugs me when its used in advertising. I want to see in game footage, anyone can produce good FMV, but can they have dozens of characters on a screen with no slowdown, or no pop-up as you drive down the road?
I'll stop there for now.
Dan, you're fired.
The_Vottanator wrote:
What song would that
> be may I ask?
Stranded - It depresses me for personnal reasons
What song would that
> be may I ask?
Stranded - It depresses me for personnal reasons
The Game wrote:
> The_Vottanator wrote:
> RastaBillySkank wrote:
> WHO THE
> HELL IS VOTTA??!?!?!?!
Oh
> and by the way. Would you mind
> not using all capitals. I find it
> discurtious and it gives the
> impression you are
> shouting.
Thankyou very
> much.
*****************
Yes RBS, I find it terribly
> dicourteous and it doesn't do much for one's impression when surfing
> the internet!
Please, repent from doing so now and in the
> future... that will be all.
Farewell
********
I full agree with you game. It does give a bad impression of this fine internet website.
********
lol@vottanator.... what
> a plank!
That's very rude Mr.Game please refrain from doing it in the future. However, I must let it be known that I feel you are right on this subject.
*Snob Voice Off*
> The_Vottanator wrote:
> RastaBillySkank wrote:
> WHO THE
> HELL IS VOTTA??!?!?!?!
Oh
> and by the way. Would you mind
> not using all capitals. I find it
> discurtious and it gives the
> impression you are
> shouting.
Thankyou very
> much.
*****************
Yes RBS, I find it terribly
> dicourteous and it doesn't do much for one's impression when surfing
> the internet!
Please, repent from doing so now and in the
> future... that will be all.
Farewell
********
I full agree with you game. It does give a bad impression of this fine internet website.
********
lol@vottanator.... what
> a plank!
That's very rude Mr.Game please refrain from doing it in the future. However, I must let it be known that I feel you are right on this subject.
*Snob Voice Off*
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> This song always depresses me
What song would that be may I ask?
> This song always depresses me
What song would that be may I ask?
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> I was shouting.
What song would that be may I ask?
> I was shouting.
What song would that be may I ask?
No offence, you understand!!
The_Vottanator wrote:
> RastaBillySkank wrote:
> WHO THE HELL IS VOTTA??!?!?!?!
Oh
> and by the way. Would you mind not using all capitals. I find it
> discurtious and it gives the impression you are
> shouting.
Thankyou very much.
*****************
Yes RBS, I find it terribly dicourteous and it doesn't do much for one's impression when surfing the internet!
Please, repent from doing so now and in the future... that will be all.
Farewell
lol@vottanator.... what a plank!
> RastaBillySkank wrote:
> WHO THE HELL IS VOTTA??!?!?!?!
Oh
> and by the way. Would you mind not using all capitals. I find it
> discurtious and it gives the impression you are
> shouting.
Thankyou very much.
*****************
Yes RBS, I find it terribly dicourteous and it doesn't do much for one's impression when surfing the internet!
Please, repent from doing so now and in the future... that will be all.
Farewell
lol@vottanator.... what a plank!
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> I was shouting.
WHAT??? LITERALLY. YOU MEAN YOU WERE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SHOUTING "WHO THE HELL IS VOTTA".
STRANGE
> I was shouting.
WHAT??? LITERALLY. YOU MEAN YOU WERE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SHOUTING "WHO THE HELL IS VOTTA".
STRANGE
Grix Thraves wrote:
> *Writes new sentence to ever growing list of reasons to kill
> Dan_Uk*
The first 200 reasons along the lings off:
1 Dan uk will beat me at After Dark on the Gamecube
2 Dan uk will beat me at Smash Brothers Melee on the Gamecube
3 Dan uk will beat me at Donkey Kong racing on the Gamecube
and so on...
... I take it another sentance has just been added to that list again
... nope, that one was added ages ago... :-D
> *Writes new sentence to ever growing list of reasons to kill
> Dan_Uk*
The first 200 reasons along the lings off:
1 Dan uk will beat me at After Dark on the Gamecube
2 Dan uk will beat me at Smash Brothers Melee on the Gamecube
3 Dan uk will beat me at Donkey Kong racing on the Gamecube
and so on...
... I take it another sentance has just been added to that list again
... nope, that one was added ages ago... :-D
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