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For some reason that line made me chuckle - but behind the titters there's something seriously wrong here.
Even with the tip-off police got and I can appreciate the nervousness around a "chemical weapons" factory (despite the evidence suggesting the actual odds of someone doing this are akin to winning the lottery, twice if you never play it) we've had a man shot - not for resisting arrest or threatening a policeman - but shot.
We've had a grudging apology from the Police (although to an extent how much they're individually to blame I don't know - they're just enforcing government policy). The government are as per usual high and mighty over this.
Of course, on one hand I could be flippant - I'm not a Muslim, not asian and I don't have along beard. I'm never going to have my house ripped apart or my family threatened - so why should I be bothered ?
Like it or not - these are our fellow British citizens. Their human rights appear to have gone out of the window - and I don't like the idea of living in what is slowly becoming an American style "democracy" where you can be shot by the Police simply for running away. I *like* living in a country where the Police aren't armed and that you have a presumed innocence until proven guilty.
My solution ?
Well certainly not this. We've now had 2 shootings, both of innocent people and no "big wins" against the terorrists. Its clear its not working - in fact its having the opposite effect, alienating areas of the community and fanning the flames of Daily Mail-esque hysteria. What next ? Soldiers on the streets ? Checkpoints ?
I'm sure lots of people disagree with me - but we seem to be following the US's external and internal policies quite closely. Curtail freedom of speech, curtail the right to demonstrate, dismiss all opposing views and of course, invade any foreign powers who aren't towing your preffered line.
As opposed to building bridges or admitting mistakes we're actively burning them. Its about time that the administration admitted their mistakes (as they finally did over the Irish issue) and tried a less agressive approach. The current approach is heavy handed, devisive (I'm remiss to use the term Police State just yet) and isn't going to win us any favours on the international field.
Even with the tip-off police got and I can appreciate the nervousness around a "chemical weapons" factory (despite the evidence suggesting the actual odds of someone doing this are akin to winning the lottery, twice if you never play it) we've had a man shot - not for resisting arrest or threatening a policeman - but shot.
We've had a grudging apology from the Police (although to an extent how much they're individually to blame I don't know - they're just enforcing government policy). The government are as per usual high and mighty over this.
Of course, on one hand I could be flippant - I'm not a Muslim, not asian and I don't have along beard. I'm never going to have my house ripped apart or my family threatened - so why should I be bothered ?
Like it or not - these are our fellow British citizens. Their human rights appear to have gone out of the window - and I don't like the idea of living in what is slowly becoming an American style "democracy" where you can be shot by the Police simply for running away. I *like* living in a country where the Police aren't armed and that you have a presumed innocence until proven guilty.
My solution ?
Well certainly not this. We've now had 2 shootings, both of innocent people and no "big wins" against the terorrists. Its clear its not working - in fact its having the opposite effect, alienating areas of the community and fanning the flames of Daily Mail-esque hysteria. What next ? Soldiers on the streets ? Checkpoints ?
I'm sure lots of people disagree with me - but we seem to be following the US's external and internal policies quite closely. Curtail freedom of speech, curtail the right to demonstrate, dismiss all opposing views and of course, invade any foreign powers who aren't towing your preffered line.
As opposed to building bridges or admitting mistakes we're actively burning them. Its about time that the administration admitted their mistakes (as they finally did over the Irish issue) and tried a less agressive approach. The current approach is heavy handed, devisive (I'm remiss to use the term Police State just yet) and isn't going to win us any favours on the international field.
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I don't think its necessarily a question of ethnicity - more of the word "terrorist". For which we have the current administration and the media to thank. If you look at the cold hard evidence regarding a chemical attack its vastly unlikely. The nearest anyone has ever come is a certain group in Japan - and despite having huge resources and funding they failed.
Geffdof wrote:
> If the police came to my house and shot me by mistake then nobody
> would care because Im a white, christian, male aged 20-30.
Snap (apart from the christian). People would probably just think I was a drug dealer/people smuggler/international arms dealer/pimp/great train robber/underwear theif/exotic pet dealer/mafia hit man/etc.
> If the police came to my house and shot me by mistake then nobody
> would care because Im a white, christian, male aged 20-30.
Snap (apart from the christian). People would probably just think I was a drug dealer/people smuggler/international arms dealer/pimp/great train robber/underwear theif/exotic pet dealer/mafia hit man/etc.
hmmmmm
*pops over to Geffdof's house with a gun and a bag marked "Swag".
*pops over to Geffdof's house with a gun and a bag marked "Swag".
If the police came to my house and shot me by mistake then nobody would care because Im a white, christian, male aged 20-30.
Well if you must know what i said i was merely disagreeing with your penultimate paragraph that stated the US discourages freedom of speech, right to demonstrate, dismisses opposing views and invades any nation that doesn't tow the line.
Either you didn't see the countless anti-war protests and huge immigration reform marches or are choosing to ignore them.
Either you didn't see the countless anti-war protests and huge immigration reform marches or are choosing to ignore them.
This is why we shouldn't have edits.
Edit - Actually forget it, carry on
For some reason that line made me chuckle - but behind the titters there's something seriously wrong here.
Even with the tip-off police got and I can appreciate the nervousness around a "chemical weapons" factory (despite the evidence suggesting the actual odds of someone doing this are akin to winning the lottery, twice if you never play it) we've had a man shot - not for resisting arrest or threatening a policeman - but shot.
We've had a grudging apology from the Police (although to an extent how much they're individually to blame I don't know - they're just enforcing government policy). The government are as per usual high and mighty over this.
Of course, on one hand I could be flippant - I'm not a Muslim, not asian and I don't have along beard. I'm never going to have my house ripped apart or my family threatened - so why should I be bothered ?
Like it or not - these are our fellow British citizens. Their human rights appear to have gone out of the window - and I don't like the idea of living in what is slowly becoming an American style "democracy" where you can be shot by the Police simply for running away. I *like* living in a country where the Police aren't armed and that you have a presumed innocence until proven guilty.
My solution ?
Well certainly not this. We've now had 2 shootings, both of innocent people and no "big wins" against the terorrists. Its clear its not working - in fact its having the opposite effect, alienating areas of the community and fanning the flames of Daily Mail-esque hysteria. What next ? Soldiers on the streets ? Checkpoints ?
I'm sure lots of people disagree with me - but we seem to be following the US's external and internal policies quite closely. Curtail freedom of speech, curtail the right to demonstrate, dismiss all opposing views and of course, invade any foreign powers who aren't towing your preffered line.
As opposed to building bridges or admitting mistakes we're actively burning them. Its about time that the administration admitted their mistakes (as they finally did over the Irish issue) and tried a less agressive approach. The current approach is heavy handed, devisive (I'm remiss to use the term Police State just yet) and isn't going to win us any favours on the international field.
Even with the tip-off police got and I can appreciate the nervousness around a "chemical weapons" factory (despite the evidence suggesting the actual odds of someone doing this are akin to winning the lottery, twice if you never play it) we've had a man shot - not for resisting arrest or threatening a policeman - but shot.
We've had a grudging apology from the Police (although to an extent how much they're individually to blame I don't know - they're just enforcing government policy). The government are as per usual high and mighty over this.
Of course, on one hand I could be flippant - I'm not a Muslim, not asian and I don't have along beard. I'm never going to have my house ripped apart or my family threatened - so why should I be bothered ?
Like it or not - these are our fellow British citizens. Their human rights appear to have gone out of the window - and I don't like the idea of living in what is slowly becoming an American style "democracy" where you can be shot by the Police simply for running away. I *like* living in a country where the Police aren't armed and that you have a presumed innocence until proven guilty.
My solution ?
Well certainly not this. We've now had 2 shootings, both of innocent people and no "big wins" against the terorrists. Its clear its not working - in fact its having the opposite effect, alienating areas of the community and fanning the flames of Daily Mail-esque hysteria. What next ? Soldiers on the streets ? Checkpoints ?
I'm sure lots of people disagree with me - but we seem to be following the US's external and internal policies quite closely. Curtail freedom of speech, curtail the right to demonstrate, dismiss all opposing views and of course, invade any foreign powers who aren't towing your preffered line.
As opposed to building bridges or admitting mistakes we're actively burning them. Its about time that the administration admitted their mistakes (as they finally did over the Irish issue) and tried a less agressive approach. The current approach is heavy handed, devisive (I'm remiss to use the term Police State just yet) and isn't going to win us any favours on the international field.
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