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Let's go straight edge guys.
I've already drawn the X on the back of my hand.
[URL]http://sxe.com[/URL]
"X For myself For my friends For my family FOREVER X"
I've already drawn the X on the back of my hand.
[URL]http://sxe.com[/URL]
"X For myself For my friends For my family FOREVER X"
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Paradox: wrote:
> They claim it's linked to the hardcore music scene, b8llocks.
>
Errr... well it is. During the mid-80s the straight edge scene began and threw up loads of bands following on from Minor Threat (Ian MacKaye, now of Fugazi) etc. People like Youth Of Today, Gorrilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds were all Straight Edge bands... Straight Edge was huge in the hardcore scene in New York and DC. Still a big influence today. Some of the music was great. And some of the initial philosophies were admirable.
It grew directly out of the hardcore scene, created its own DIY independent movement and had a lot of influence on subsequent hardcore bands. Sorry, but it's pretty silly to deny that it's part of the hardcore scene (if you have the first clue of its origins at least).
And as for pre-packaged... the sXe is as punk and independant as it gets. Put on shows yourself. Put out records yourself. Design and produce the T-shirts yourself. That way, the money stays in the scene, it's not leeched off by major corporations/record labels. What's wrong with that? It's a community. Just cos you don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid.
> They claim it's linked to the hardcore music scene, b8llocks.
>
Errr... well it is. During the mid-80s the straight edge scene began and threw up loads of bands following on from Minor Threat (Ian MacKaye, now of Fugazi) etc. People like Youth Of Today, Gorrilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds were all Straight Edge bands... Straight Edge was huge in the hardcore scene in New York and DC. Still a big influence today. Some of the music was great. And some of the initial philosophies were admirable.
It grew directly out of the hardcore scene, created its own DIY independent movement and had a lot of influence on subsequent hardcore bands. Sorry, but it's pretty silly to deny that it's part of the hardcore scene (if you have the first clue of its origins at least).
And as for pre-packaged... the sXe is as punk and independant as it gets. Put on shows yourself. Put out records yourself. Design and produce the T-shirts yourself. That way, the money stays in the scene, it's not leeched off by major corporations/record labels. What's wrong with that? It's a community. Just cos you don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid.
It's another pre-packaged culture for retardo teenagers to aspire to.
"Hey look, this is what we beleive in - NOW BUY THE GOD DAMN MERCHANDISE!"
They claim it's linked to the hardcore music scene, b8llocks.
I like some 'hardcore' bands like Hatebreed, etc - but when I've been to the gigs I'm usually drunk, theres always people smoking weed and some acid kids sittin in the corner in awe at their hands being so big.
Just like Emo it's a lame assed subculture for middle class white kids with insecurities about their genitalia to be a part of something.
I wonder if these ones cut themselves?
"Hey look, this is what we beleive in - NOW BUY THE GOD DAMN MERCHANDISE!"
They claim it's linked to the hardcore music scene, b8llocks.
I like some 'hardcore' bands like Hatebreed, etc - but when I've been to the gigs I'm usually drunk, theres always people smoking weed and some acid kids sittin in the corner in awe at their hands being so big.
Just like Emo it's a lame assed subculture for middle class white kids with insecurities about their genitalia to be a part of something.
I wonder if these ones cut themselves?
Cong_Man wrote:
> Leave 'em to get on with it and don't criticise what what you're not
> a part of, I say...
Exactly!
The thing is, the straight edge movement is a bit silly. For a movement that rejected peer pressure to drink, smoke, take drugs etc. they became incredibly judgemental and exclusive. But hey, they'll grow out of it when they get into their 20's.
And if you can't have strongly held ideals when you're a teenager when can you? In fact, if you don't believe strongly ridiculous idealistic principles as a teenager then you've got no heart. Don't become too cynical too quickly, I say.
> Leave 'em to get on with it and don't criticise what what you're not
> a part of, I say...
Exactly!
The thing is, the straight edge movement is a bit silly. For a movement that rejected peer pressure to drink, smoke, take drugs etc. they became incredibly judgemental and exclusive. But hey, they'll grow out of it when they get into their 20's.
And if you can't have strongly held ideals when you're a teenager when can you? In fact, if you don't believe strongly ridiculous idealistic principles as a teenager then you've got no heart. Don't become too cynical too quickly, I say.
Memorandum! wrote:
> this is even worse than emo.
WHOAH! Lets not get too carried away.
> this is even worse than emo.
WHOAH! Lets not get too carried away.
Hey Loki. Long time no see...
Anyway, you guys are a quick to condemn this, as you would, no doubt, any other such 'movement'.
The fact is, as with all these type of 'movement's/cults/whatever you wanna call thems, is that they are like big bandwagons. There's a handful of people driving, who really believe in it and want others to believe in it too.
However, there are a lot more people who jump on the bandwagon, believe in at least some of it, but are mainly just there for the sense of being a part of something.
Leave 'em to get on with it and don't criticise what what you're not a part of, I say...
Anyway, you guys are a quick to condemn this, as you would, no doubt, any other such 'movement'.
The fact is, as with all these type of 'movement's/cults/whatever you wanna call thems, is that they are like big bandwagons. There's a handful of people driving, who really believe in it and want others to believe in it too.
However, there are a lot more people who jump on the bandwagon, believe in at least some of it, but are mainly just there for the sense of being a part of something.
Leave 'em to get on with it and don't criticise what what you're not a part of, I say...
gerrid wrote:
> I feel sorry for these poor people who are taken in by it all, and
> think that they're part of something different or special, when in
> reality they're just advertising and marketing tools - slaves to the
> music industry - all the while thinking that they're
> "hardcore" and "sXe" and "edge" words
> that don't actually mean anything but give them the identity that
> they so crave. It's sad, really.
Err... what? Taken in by what marketing tools? The Straight Edge hardcore movement has been going over 20 years and started by kids who put out their own records, put on their own shows and made their own t-shirts. There was no music industry releasing their records or marketing anything to them. None of the major labels touched hardcore punk in the early 80s. So they did it themselves.
It was a totally grass roots movement. Slaves to the record industry? Honestly, can you name 1 major record label releasing sXe records or merchandise, even today?
They formed their own cottage industry in the 1980's. While I don't agree with their approach and I've never been straight edge (I drink, like smoking and get irritated by over-earnest vegans personally), you've completely missed the point of what sXe is and what it represents.
> I feel sorry for these poor people who are taken in by it all, and
> think that they're part of something different or special, when in
> reality they're just advertising and marketing tools - slaves to the
> music industry - all the while thinking that they're
> "hardcore" and "sXe" and "edge" words
> that don't actually mean anything but give them the identity that
> they so crave. It's sad, really.
Err... what? Taken in by what marketing tools? The Straight Edge hardcore movement has been going over 20 years and started by kids who put out their own records, put on their own shows and made their own t-shirts. There was no music industry releasing their records or marketing anything to them. None of the major labels touched hardcore punk in the early 80s. So they did it themselves.
It was a totally grass roots movement. Slaves to the record industry? Honestly, can you name 1 major record label releasing sXe records or merchandise, even today?
They formed their own cottage industry in the 1980's. While I don't agree with their approach and I've never been straight edge (I drink, like smoking and get irritated by over-earnest vegans personally), you've completely missed the point of what sXe is and what it represents.
The t-shirt with the heart on it looks pretty cool though.
It's all a fluid advertising scam to merchandise crap to teenagers who think they're part of something:
"You are not straight edge if you have no connection. You are not straight edge if you've never been to a show. if you've never bought a record"
"Keep it alive by being apart of it. By being a consumer. By attending shows, buying merch and records."
I feel sorry for these poor people who are taken in by it all, and think that they're part of something different or special, when in reality they're just advertising and marketing tools - slaves to the music industry - all the while thinking that they're "hardcore" and "sXe" and "edge" words that don't actually mean anything but give them the identity that they so crave. It's sad, really.
"You are not straight edge if you have no connection. You are not straight edge if you've never been to a show. if you've never bought a record"
"Keep it alive by being apart of it. By being a consumer. By attending shows, buying merch and records."
I feel sorry for these poor people who are taken in by it all, and think that they're part of something different or special, when in reality they're just advertising and marketing tools - slaves to the music industry - all the while thinking that they're "hardcore" and "sXe" and "edge" words that don't actually mean anything but give them the identity that they so crave. It's sad, really.
this is even worse than emo.
"First off: holy crap that's fantastic.
Secondly: xhardcoremattx: keep it posi, brother.
And third: damnit, I want an X-swatch. Like now."
*cries*
I wish these people could be exterminated.
Secondly: xhardcoremattx: keep it posi, brother.
And third: damnit, I want an X-swatch. Like now."
*cries*
I wish these people could be exterminated.
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