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I know this is meant to be why the Gamecube will win the console wars, but I would like to clear the compertion between the PS2 and the gamecube up. Why? I hear you all cry! One, Grix hasn’t done it yet :) and well, I think I owe it to Nintendo, and even Shigsy himself! After all, this is a big war between them both. Although both companies claim not to be going into wars with one another, there are still loads of gamers around the world that wish to continue this rivalry This isn’t a console wars post, just for people who think that PS2 is BETTER than Gamecube. First of all, it's not. I know, that sounded bias and unreasonable, but I have sufficient evidence to prove your ass wrong. I know that people who own a PS2 people are saying, the same old things. For example, it has DVD capability, it LOOKS cool (that’s an opinion), it has more games, etc. etc. etc. People even say that it's better because it's on a non-proprietary format. And no, giving it back to me and calling this trash will not work. It’ll only put you in denial. Also, the Gamecube is also referred to as the “NGC”. So, in no particular order, here's otherwise...
Now we've all heard one side of the story (or some of it) we will now discuss what Gamecube has. Some say that the NGC looks like a Fisher-Price purse, but a reasonable gamer knows that it's the games & what the system can do with those games that counts. The NGC has a graphics processor designed by ArtX, a subsidiary of ATI. PC gamers know that ATI is a respected company that makes great graphics accelerators. What does PS2 have, an "Emotion Engine". While, the name is somewhat catchy to the developers, what it can do is much more important. It can push 75 million polygons per second. That would seem to be a very impressive number. Unfortunately, Sony (like Microsoft) specifies polygon performance differently than Nintendo. 75 Million polys/sec specifies the number of RAW polygons. Raw meaning the most basic, wire frame, lacking real game effects, physics, colour, controller input, etc. Fortunately, from reliable sources, we have learned that current PS2 games, such as SSX or Madden 2001 only use 3-5 million per second (realistic). Of course, upcoming games such as FFX will do much better. Gamecube on the other hand, uses a "Flipper" chip designed by previously mentioned ArtX. This graphics processor can push 6-12 million polygons per second. This may seem small, but this is the actual performance number with all the effects on (lighting, shading, texture, etc.), with controller input, real-time physics, etc. So in that respect, and only in that respect, Gamecube is better.
Some Nintendo enemies (and loyalists alike) complain that the lack of DVD support is unacceptable. To challenge this, I present the company known in Japan as Matsushita. Better known in the US by the Panasonic brand name, this company is responsible for producing the mini-DVDs that will be the storage medium for the NGC. What Matsushita will do is manufacture a DVD player that plays Gamecube games. Note that it would be a DVD player that plays games and not a dedicated gaming machine like Gamecube. In such a comparison, the NGC and PS2 have no distinct advantage over each other.
And I find it strange that such an overhyped console would not have four-player capability. Well, the PS2 does but you still have to buy a MultiTap. Nintendo has been a company that has embraced and reaped the benefits of 4x multiplayer with huge sales of such games as Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party (1,2, &3), & most importantly, Golden Eye and Perfect Dark.
It's not like no one can afford a MultiTap or anything but dishing out £20+ for 4x capability is just one more disadvantage of the PS2.
There have been quite number of disputes involving the controller. This is a particularly confusing subject to write about because it is very opinionated to the tastes of the individual. Well, this is my correct opinion and if you think this is trash, than you obviously haven’t seen the NGC controller. I think that the PS2 controller is somewhat comfortable. It is a good size and the handles are placed correctly. Unfortunately, it does not provide functionality in the way of gaming. That is where the NGC comes in. The stick on the NGC controller is way up on the left side. I like this far better than the Dual Shock 2 because the thumb's joint is to the bottom of the stick rather than to the left. So if I wanted to go to the right on the NGC controller, I would just move my thumb in an arc to the right. I found the Dual Shock 2 very unnatural. If I wanted to go to the right in the Dual Shock 2, I would have to push my thumb foreword to move to the right. And if you didn't understand that, I strongly suggest you graduate middle school before continuing reading. I especially don't like the position of the action buttons. n l s & r are arranged in the diamond formation. There is little wrong with that; I just think the NGC one is better. On the Gamecube controller, the B, X, & Y buttons are designed around the massive and ever malevolent A button. While this allows good button mashing, it still makes the other buttons very accessible. A dedicated camera stick might become handy during games that require you to know your surroundings or just to admire the attention to detail. Damn TRUTH commercials. Sorry, I’m watching T.V. right now. I know that the Dual Shock 2 is fully analogue whereas the NGC's controller is only partially analogue. But I seriously doubt that any game could take full advantage of a fully analogue system. Since virtually no one, other than the press, has held the NGC controller, it is hard to determine its feel. But from trusted sources, it is said to be very comfortable. That is about it for the controller portion and although this will not effect how the games look, I still look at controllers in a respectful manor.
These next pieces of information are of no value to the casual gamer but are nevertheless important. Gamecube's main processor is made by IBM and is 105Mhz faster than that of PS2. The Gamecube has a total of 43 Megs of ram as opposed to the 36 of the PS2. The NGC has 13gflops. This refers to the floating-point operations per second, which simplified is the maximum operations/second. This number is greater than PS2 and Xbox. On an important note, the NGC can do 8 simultaneous textures. That means one picture frame only has to go through the entire system once to put eight textures on. That is better than Xbox's 4 simultaneous textures and PS2's 1 simultaneous texture. This allows for greater frame and frame refresh rates on the NGC.
Now, the NGC’s logo. This is nothing short of excellent! The amount of detail that has gone into it has really paid of! I know that not too many people on FOG like the idea much, apart from Grix who also loves it like I do, but come on, you must admit that the way the G and C come into the cube shaped box is a masterpiece. It really does look really cool in purple as well. Also, I think it puts the PS2’s logo to shame.
To my favourite reason, the Gamecube’s optical discs. First off, they are much smaller than DVDs-3 inches in diameter. Second, They are accessed much more quickly than DVDs (load times comparable to that of cartridges). Unfortunately, they hold less data. 1.5gigs as opposed to 4.7gigs on true DVDs. But realistically, this isn't a disadvantage. They are cheaper to make; They hold double the full-motion video of a CD: They are impossible to burn. They have a dedicated inner encryption strip, They’re proprietary (meaning they are the first and only discs of their kind), no current CD or DVD laser can read them, add that to its size and capacity. They fit into your pocket easily: Who says you can't have two or more discs per game: With S3's texture compression (exclusive to Nintendo) textures can be compressed at a 6:1 ratio. This means that 4.7gigs of textures can fit into 783 Megs of space (plainly said- you can put data on these discs equal to or greater than DVDs. Nintendo and Matsushita have claimed that these discs will lead the way for electronic entertainment for the 21st century. Although this is somewhat unlikely, they do provide a convenient means to help Nintendo in their quest for world REdomination. Nintendo has even commented that this format for a handheld system beyond Game Boy Advanced is not out of the question.
That brings me to my next reason, the Game Boy Advance. Besides being the best handheld ever developed, it is also an integral part to the Gamecube. I do find Nintendo’s logic flawed though. Nintendo thinks that because so many people will buy the GBA, the endless possibilities of interactivity to the NGC will make people want to buy one. I have no doubt the GBA will sell extremely well, but I don’t think the endless possibilities of interactivity justify as a reason to buy a cube. But the possibilities are truly endless. Anyone seen the vid of Tony Hawkes?! These are just some of the possible uses, but plausible ones. You could use the GBA as a controller. You could use a blank cartridge as a memory card. You could build up character stats on the GBA and transfer them to its counterpart on the Gamecube. The GBA could be used as a sub screen (such as a radar on Rogue Squadron 2), and the list goes on. Well, that's about it for the advantages of a GBA with the Gamecube. I urge all readers to buy a Game Boy Advance because it is relatively inexpensive, it's very portable, a great system despite the fact that it has no 3D hardware, and already boasts a library of over 1000 games with plenty more slated for this year. People who have seen screens know that what it can do is as close to 3D as possible. Also, as we all know games are not just all about graphics, we have to take gameplay into account.
Many people say that PS2 looks better than the NGC, and that is an opinion. The NGC is a small & sleek cube that can be placed virtually anywhere (6x6x4 inches). That's all I have to say. I think that black NGC will be very popular. By the way, The NGC will be definitely cheaper than the PS2. At around $200 (still haven’t released a price in £’s yet) what gamer couldn’t afford that. The PS2 owners are saying that it has DVD capability. Well 1:Who doesn’t have a DVD player 2:You could buy a real better DVD player with a remote for half the money.
You know the thing I hate most, is when the PS(2) owners say that Nintendo (and its 3rd parties) only makes kiddy games. That is bull. I will now list games that are not all rated T but are not kiddy- Rogue Squadron, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Gauntlet Legends, F-Zero, AeroFighters Assault, Starcraft, Conker’s Bad Fur Day, etc. Maybe they do make kiddy games, but those kiddy games are extremely popular and sell very well. If the younger demographic had their say on the internet, Pokemon would be more popular than Final Fantasy and Zelda. Nintendo’s target demographic will definitely change. They know now that the prime audience is the teens and will change their directive. Let’s just hope the 3rd parties realise this too. Anyhow, when was the last time you saw a little kid complete games like Mario? It’s not very often. Okay, if you still wish to call Nintendo kiddies games, then I must confess that I love the kiddes games. They are fun to play on your own, with your mates, and often makes you feel better when you are feeling blue.
The PS2 for a fact has many 3rd parties. The most powerful argument that the PS2 people wield is that it will have better games. This directly relates to the 3rd parties on board with Sony. Several reasons why this will most likely change, 1-The NGC, for a fact, is easier to develop for, 2-Developers will realise the game sales are in quality and not quantity (PSO is a prime example of this) 3-Nintendo and Microsoft charge less per game. All the PS2 people cry to Squaresoft (as a last resort). It’s like the fate of an entire console is resting on that one 3rd party. It’s ridiculous because the PS2 and PSO owners are making it seem that way. News Flash-The gaming community does not revolve around Square. PS2 has (that I know of) absolutely no games that have revolutionised gaming. In the days of the 64, Mario 64 defined the new genre of 3D platforming (after that, Zelda), Golden Eye raised the bar for Multiplayer, and Rogue Squadron set the standards in digitised graphics, voices and sounds. I think this is a taste of what’s to come on Gamecube because of its delay to November. What has the PS2 done in 6 months? Not one game has revolutionised gaming. Not one game I've seen has graphics significantly more advanced than that of Dreamcast. Not one game I know of completely supports 5.1 OR HDTV. I’m almost finished.
Why would they (Sony) release such an expensive memory card? Sure, It can hold a lot compared to any other memory card, but if they are planning to release a hard drive so soon, why waste the consumers’ money. And couldn't they have invested SOME resources to R&D of a new controller. No, they have to give you this haphazard thing as an accessory. My point is -You are wasting money on the PS2-
Well, maybe not wasting your money, because you may like it, but I would still guide you towards the GAMECUBE.
I hope that I have cleared up some matters there, if I haven’t then you haven’t read my post. Please do read it though as I have spent ages on it. Hey, if you still think the PS2 is better, that’s cool… at the end of the day, it’s what we like as individuals that counts.
-M16-
I know this is meant to be why the Gamecube will win the console wars, but I would like to clear the compertion between the PS2 and the gamecube up. Why? I hear you all cry! One, Grix hasn’t done it yet :) and well, I think I owe it to Nintendo, and even Shigsy himself! After all, this is a big war between them both. Although both companies claim not to be going into wars with one another, there are still loads of gamers around the world that wish to continue this rivalry This isn’t a console wars post, just for people who think that PS2 is BETTER than Gamecube. First of all, it's not. I know, that sounded bias and unreasonable, but I have sufficient evidence to prove your ass wrong. I know that people who own a PS2 people are saying, the same old things. For example, it has DVD capability, it LOOKS cool (that’s an opinion), it has more games, etc. etc. etc. People even say that it's better because it's on a non-proprietary format. And no, giving it back to me and calling this trash will not work. It’ll only put you in denial. Also, the Gamecube is also referred to as the “NGC”. So, in no particular order, here's otherwise...
Now we've all heard one side of the story (or some of it) we will now discuss what Gamecube has. Some say that the NGC looks like a Fisher-Price purse, but a reasonable gamer knows that it's the games & what the system can do with those games that counts. The NGC has a graphics processor designed by ArtX, a subsidiary of ATI. PC gamers know that ATI is a respected company that makes great graphics accelerators. What does PS2 have, an "Emotion Engine". While, the name is somewhat catchy to the developers, what it can do is much more important. It can push 75 million polygons per second. That would seem to be a very impressive number. Unfortunately, Sony (like Microsoft) specifies polygon performance differently than Nintendo. 75 Million polys/sec specifies the number of RAW polygons. Raw meaning the most basic, wire frame, lacking real game effects, physics, colour, controller input, etc. Fortunately, from reliable sources, we have learned that current PS2 games, such as SSX or Madden 2001 only use 3-5 million per second (realistic). Of course, upcoming games such as FFX will do much better. Gamecube on the other hand, uses a "Flipper" chip designed by previously mentioned ArtX. This graphics processor can push 6-12 million polygons per second. This may seem small, but this is the actual performance number with all the effects on (lighting, shading, texture, etc.), with controller input, real-time physics, etc. So in that respect, and only in that respect, Gamecube is better.
Some Nintendo enemies (and loyalists alike) complain that the lack of DVD support is unacceptable. To challenge this, I present the company known in Japan as Matsushita. Better known in the US by the Panasonic brand name, this company is responsible for producing the mini-DVDs that will be the storage medium for the NGC. What Matsushita will do is manufacture a DVD player that plays Gamecube games. Note that it would be a DVD player that plays games and not a dedicated gaming machine like Gamecube. In such a comparison, the NGC and PS2 have no distinct advantage over each other.
And I find it strange that such an overhyped console would not have four-player capability. Well, the PS2 does but you still have to buy a MultiTap. Nintendo has been a company that has embraced and reaped the benefits of 4x multiplayer with huge sales of such games as Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party (1,2, &3), & most importantly, Golden Eye and Perfect Dark.
It's not like no one can afford a MultiTap or anything but dishing out £20+ for 4x capability is just one more disadvantage of the PS2.
There have been quite number of disputes involving the controller. This is a particularly confusing subject to write about because it is very opinionated to the tastes of the individual. Well, this is my correct opinion and if you think this is trash, than you obviously haven’t seen the NGC controller. I think that the PS2 controller is somewhat comfortable. It is a good size and the handles are placed correctly. Unfortunately, it does not provide functionality in the way of gaming. That is where the NGC comes in. The stick on the NGC controller is way up on the left side. I like this far better than the Dual Shock 2 because the thumb's joint is to the bottom of the stick rather than to the left. So if I wanted to go to the right on the NGC controller, I would just move my thumb in an arc to the right. I found the Dual Shock 2 very unnatural. If I wanted to go to the right in the Dual Shock 2, I would have to push my thumb foreword to move to the right. And if you didn't understand that, I strongly suggest you graduate middle school before continuing reading. I especially don't like the position of the action buttons. n l s & r are arranged in the diamond formation. There is little wrong with that; I just think the NGC one is better. On the Gamecube controller, the B, X, & Y buttons are designed around the massive and ever malevolent A button. While this allows good button mashing, it still makes the other buttons very accessible. A dedicated camera stick might become handy during games that require you to know your surroundings or just to admire the attention to detail. Damn TRUTH commercials. Sorry, I’m watching T.V. right now. I know that the Dual Shock 2 is fully analogue whereas the NGC's controller is only partially analogue. But I seriously doubt that any game could take full advantage of a fully analogue system. Since virtually no one, other than the press, has held the NGC controller, it is hard to determine its feel. But from trusted sources, it is said to be very comfortable. That is about it for the controller portion and although this will not effect how the games look, I still look at controllers in a respectful manor.
These next pieces of information are of no value to the casual gamer but are nevertheless important. Gamecube's main processor is made by IBM and is 105Mhz faster than that of PS2. The Gamecube has a total of 43 Megs of ram as opposed to the 36 of the PS2. The NGC has 13gflops. This refers to the floating-point operations per second, which simplified is the maximum operations/second. This number is greater than PS2 and Xbox. On an important note, the NGC can do 8 simultaneous textures. That means one picture frame only has to go through the entire system once to put eight textures on. That is better than Xbox's 4 simultaneous textures and PS2's 1 simultaneous texture. This allows for greater frame and frame refresh rates on the NGC.
Now, the NGC’s logo. This is nothing short of excellent! The amount of detail that has gone into it has really paid of! I know that not too many people on FOG like the idea much, apart from Grix who also loves it like I do, but come on, you must admit that the way the G and C come into the cube shaped box is a masterpiece. It really does look really cool in purple as well. Also, I think it puts the PS2’s logo to shame.
To my favourite reason, the Gamecube’s optical discs. First off, they are much smaller than DVDs-3 inches in diameter. Second, They are accessed much more quickly than DVDs (load times comparable to that of cartridges). Unfortunately, they hold less data. 1.5gigs as opposed to 4.7gigs on true DVDs. But realistically, this isn't a disadvantage. They are cheaper to make; They hold double the full-motion video of a CD: They are impossible to burn. They have a dedicated inner encryption strip, They’re proprietary (meaning they are the first and only discs of their kind), no current CD or DVD laser can read them, add that to its size and capacity. They fit into your pocket easily: Who says you can't have two or more discs per game: With S3's texture compression (exclusive to Nintendo) textures can be compressed at a 6:1 ratio. This means that 4.7gigs of textures can fit into 783 Megs of space (plainly said- you can put data on these discs equal to or greater than DVDs. Nintendo and Matsushita have claimed that these discs will lead the way for electronic entertainment for the 21st century. Although this is somewhat unlikely, they do provide a convenient means to help Nintendo in their quest for world REdomination. Nintendo has even commented that this format for a handheld system beyond Game Boy Advanced is not out of the question.
That brings me to my next reason, the Game Boy Advance. Besides being the best handheld ever developed, it is also an integral part to the Gamecube. I do find Nintendo’s logic flawed though. Nintendo thinks that because so many people will buy the GBA, the endless possibilities of interactivity to the NGC will make people want to buy one. I have no doubt the GBA will sell extremely well, but I don’t think the endless possibilities of interactivity justify as a reason to buy a cube. But the possibilities are truly endless. Anyone seen the vid of Tony Hawkes?! These are just some of the possible uses, but plausible ones. You could use the GBA as a controller. You could use a blank cartridge as a memory card. You could build up character stats on the GBA and transfer them to its counterpart on the Gamecube. The GBA could be used as a sub screen (such as a radar on Rogue Squadron 2), and the list goes on. Well, that's about it for the advantages of a GBA with the Gamecube. I urge all readers to buy a Game Boy Advance because it is relatively inexpensive, it's very portable, a great system despite the fact that it has no 3D hardware, and already boasts a library of over 1000 games with plenty more slated for this year. People who have seen screens know that what it can do is as close to 3D as possible. Also, as we all know games are not just all about graphics, we have to take gameplay into account.
Many people say that PS2 looks better than the NGC, and that is an opinion. The NGC is a small & sleek cube that can be placed virtually anywhere (6x6x4 inches). That's all I have to say. I think that black NGC will be very popular. By the way, The NGC will be definitely cheaper than the PS2. At around $200 (still haven’t released a price in £’s yet) what gamer couldn’t afford that. The PS2 owners are saying that it has DVD capability. Well 1:Who doesn’t have a DVD player 2:You could buy a real better DVD player with a remote for half the money.
You know the thing I hate most, is when the PS(2) owners say that Nintendo (and its 3rd parties) only makes kiddy games. That is bull. I will now list games that are not all rated T but are not kiddy- Rogue Squadron, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Gauntlet Legends, F-Zero, AeroFighters Assault, Starcraft, Conker’s Bad Fur Day, etc. Maybe they do make kiddy games, but those kiddy games are extremely popular and sell very well. If the younger demographic had their say on the internet, Pokemon would be more popular than Final Fantasy and Zelda. Nintendo’s target demographic will definitely change. They know now that the prime audience is the teens and will change their directive. Let’s just hope the 3rd parties realise this too. Anyhow, when was the last time you saw a little kid complete games like Mario? It’s not very often. Okay, if you still wish to call Nintendo kiddies games, then I must confess that I love the kiddes games. They are fun to play on your own, with your mates, and often makes you feel better when you are feeling blue.
The PS2 for a fact has many 3rd parties. The most powerful argument that the PS2 people wield is that it will have better games. This directly relates to the 3rd parties on board with Sony. Several reasons why this will most likely change, 1-The NGC, for a fact, is easier to develop for, 2-Developers will realise the game sales are in quality and not quantity (PSO is a prime example of this) 3-Nintendo and Microsoft charge less per game. All the PS2 people cry to Squaresoft (as a last resort). It’s like the fate of an entire console is resting on that one 3rd party. It’s ridiculous because the PS2 and PSO owners are making it seem that way. News Flash-The gaming community does not revolve around Square. PS2 has (that I know of) absolutely no games that have revolutionised gaming. In the days of the 64, Mario 64 defined the new genre of 3D platforming (after that, Zelda), Golden Eye raised the bar for Multiplayer, and Rogue Squadron set the standards in digitised graphics, voices and sounds. I think this is a taste of what’s to come on Gamecube because of its delay to November. What has the PS2 done in 6 months? Not one game has revolutionised gaming. Not one game I've seen has graphics significantly more advanced than that of Dreamcast. Not one game I know of completely supports 5.1 OR HDTV. I’m almost finished.
Why would they (Sony) release such an expensive memory card? Sure, It can hold a lot compared to any other memory card, but if they are planning to release a hard drive so soon, why waste the consumers’ money. And couldn't they have invested SOME resources to R&D of a new controller. No, they have to give you this haphazard thing as an accessory. My point is -You are wasting money on the PS2-
Well, maybe not wasting your money, because you may like it, but I would still guide you towards the GAMECUBE.
I hope that I have cleared up some matters there, if I haven’t then you haven’t read my post. Please do read it though as I have spent ages on it. Hey, if you still think the PS2 is better, that’s cool… at the end of the day, it’s what we like as individuals that counts.
-M16-
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No, I am just fed up with the PS2 at the moment. I love the look of the GAMECUBE, so I decided to type how I feel.
Still, come next year it will probably be the other way around, who knows...
Still, come next year it will probably be the other way around, who knows...
M16 wrote:
> Wookiee why did you call me a rat? Or said I smelled like one, or
> whatever you said :)
"Smell a rat"
Figure of speech, that's all!
The post I quoted appeared to be signed by The Game, and as you were once such an avid PS2 fan and the original post was so pro-GameCube, I was wondering if he'd managed to guess your password and was posing as you for a laugh.
> Wookiee why did you call me a rat? Or said I smelled like one, or
> whatever you said :)
"Smell a rat"
Figure of speech, that's all!
The post I quoted appeared to be signed by The Game, and as you were once such an avid PS2 fan and the original post was so pro-GameCube, I was wondering if he'd managed to guess your password and was posing as you for a laugh.
Wookiee why did you call me a rat? Or said I smelled like one, or whatever you said :)
adrian wrote:
> Iam really looking forward to the GC as I saw Rogue Squadron 2
Same here. Well, I'm not 100% convinced I'll get a GC yet, but RS2 has edged me that little bit closer.
> if you take GT3 for example that looks so great. It looks
> better than the intro to GT2.
You probably already know, but the intro to GT2 was actually replay footage from a very early version of GT3.
> It will be nice if the GC and PS2
> come down to a great war between them as it gives us consumers the
> best deal.
Personally, when the GC is released and the PS2 drops in price, I'm not convinced the X-Box will get much of a look-in. I don't rule it out completely, but with the crashes and other problems their 'finished, pre-production model' has had, I've been nudged away from buying one.
The *only* thing I've seen on X-Box that impressed me was the real-time technical demo of the woman and huge mech 'dancing' together - but to be honest, I see no reason why either PS2 or GC couldn't do exactly the same. A demo is one thing... matching that in a real-time game environment is something else; compare the early PS2 Bouncer demos to the final game, and... well...
Only time will tell, though.
And as for Meka's comments... spot on as usual. Rarely have I ever seen such a huge fan of one format remain so genuinely unbiased. If only we could clone him.
> Iam really looking forward to the GC as I saw Rogue Squadron 2
Same here. Well, I'm not 100% convinced I'll get a GC yet, but RS2 has edged me that little bit closer.
> if you take GT3 for example that looks so great. It looks
> better than the intro to GT2.
You probably already know, but the intro to GT2 was actually replay footage from a very early version of GT3.
> It will be nice if the GC and PS2
> come down to a great war between them as it gives us consumers the
> best deal.
Personally, when the GC is released and the PS2 drops in price, I'm not convinced the X-Box will get much of a look-in. I don't rule it out completely, but with the crashes and other problems their 'finished, pre-production model' has had, I've been nudged away from buying one.
The *only* thing I've seen on X-Box that impressed me was the real-time technical demo of the woman and huge mech 'dancing' together - but to be honest, I see no reason why either PS2 or GC couldn't do exactly the same. A demo is one thing... matching that in a real-time game environment is something else; compare the early PS2 Bouncer demos to the final game, and... well...
Only time will tell, though.
And as for Meka's comments... spot on as usual. Rarely have I ever seen such a huge fan of one format remain so genuinely unbiased. If only we could clone him.
With kids bearing in mind I would have no doubt about buying a Gamecube!! I still have time to think solely about me at the moment. There is no competition when it comes to making games kids and adults can sit round a TV and enjoy!! Although Eidos are having a go by making Herdy Gerdy for the Ps2, it actually looks quite good!!
Bonus wrote:
> Meka makes perfect sense, do you really want to play a luigi game,
> or Metal Gear Solid 2???
Honestly? I really don't know. The demo of MGS2 sure looked fun, and sounded very impressive indeed. I would like to play it.
That said, I'm a big kid at heart, and I'd love to chase ghosts with a vacuum cleaner too!
Also, given the fact that I have young children, I have to also have games that will appeal to them. Malibu (she's my oldest daughter at 21 months) loves watching certain N64 games, such as Tiggers Honey Hunt and DK64. She sat and watched several Gamecube videos with me, and enjoyed those. I don't think that PS2 games would appeal to her in the same way. They're too grown up. If she's not interested, then I have to keep her occupied by other means, ie not playing games.
> Who knows I might be a revolutionary and buy both!!
If I had the money and the time I'd buy both. I don't have the money at the moment, and I'm not likely to have that amount of free time for a few years!
> Meka makes perfect sense, do you really want to play a luigi game,
> or Metal Gear Solid 2???
Honestly? I really don't know. The demo of MGS2 sure looked fun, and sounded very impressive indeed. I would like to play it.
That said, I'm a big kid at heart, and I'd love to chase ghosts with a vacuum cleaner too!
Also, given the fact that I have young children, I have to also have games that will appeal to them. Malibu (she's my oldest daughter at 21 months) loves watching certain N64 games, such as Tiggers Honey Hunt and DK64. She sat and watched several Gamecube videos with me, and enjoyed those. I don't think that PS2 games would appeal to her in the same way. They're too grown up. If she's not interested, then I have to keep her occupied by other means, ie not playing games.
> Who knows I might be a revolutionary and buy both!!
If I had the money and the time I'd buy both. I don't have the money at the moment, and I'm not likely to have that amount of free time for a few years!
Meka makes perfect sense, do you really want to play a luigi game, or Metal Gear Solid 2???
The price of a PS2 will be about the same as the GC by the time the GC comes out, and the games will be a tenner cheaper each, but if the games are quality, I wouldn't mind paying this. Who knows I might be a revolutionary and buy both!!
The price of a PS2 will be about the same as the GC by the time the GC comes out, and the games will be a tenner cheaper each, but if the games are quality, I wouldn't mind paying this. Who knows I might be a revolutionary and buy both!!
I'll have to join in with the Good Post message. The GC is looking to be a great console. I own a PS2 and I dont say mean things about any other console. I own a PS1, PS2, DC, N64 and PC. Iam 99% likely to get a GC on release day when may 50% for X-Box.
I like the sound of the optical disks then sound very good indeed, especially if the load times are near to cartridge speed. One thing I would like to say that DVD's can be 4 different size capacities. There is the normal single sided 4.7GB but then theres dual sided, dual Layered single sided and dual layered double sided. The latter provides about 18GB of data I think.
Iam really looking forward to the GC as I saw Rogue Squadron 2 and Luigi Manison. Both games look incrediable with very nice graphics that will match the PS2 quite easily. PS2 has great graphics and can push a ton of polygons around, if you take GT3 for example that looks so great. It looks better than the intro to GT2.
It will be nice if the GC and PS2 come down to a great war between them as it gives us consumers the best deal. As both companys want to bring out the best games e.t.c rather than one company deciding to release tons of medium games that doesnt interest anyone. The great thing about the GC is that its online straight from teh box. Either by a 56k modem or Broadband connection. And at $200 its going to be well worth the money.
I like the sound of the optical disks then sound very good indeed, especially if the load times are near to cartridge speed. One thing I would like to say that DVD's can be 4 different size capacities. There is the normal single sided 4.7GB but then theres dual sided, dual Layered single sided and dual layered double sided. The latter provides about 18GB of data I think.
Iam really looking forward to the GC as I saw Rogue Squadron 2 and Luigi Manison. Both games look incrediable with very nice graphics that will match the PS2 quite easily. PS2 has great graphics and can push a ton of polygons around, if you take GT3 for example that looks so great. It looks better than the intro to GT2.
It will be nice if the GC and PS2 come down to a great war between them as it gives us consumers the best deal. As both companys want to bring out the best games e.t.c rather than one company deciding to release tons of medium games that doesnt interest anyone. The great thing about the GC is that its online straight from teh box. Either by a 56k modem or Broadband connection. And at $200 its going to be well worth the money.
Bonus wrote:
> and I still haven't seen a game on the
> GC or Xbox that I would rather buy than Devil May Cry,
> never Mind MGS2 or GT3!!
Now there's a revelation!
It all comes down to the games!
And not just that, but PERSONAL TASTE in games.
Personally (as in my opinion, not facts, not to be argued with) I prefer the look of the games available on the GAMECUBE.
I like the look of some of the PS2 games, and yes, I'd love to be able to play them, but I can't afford £300 right now, and I know that personally I'd prefer a GameCube when it comes out next year.
I have not seen one game on the X-box that would make me want it. Not one.
> and I still haven't seen a game on the
> GC or Xbox that I would rather buy than Devil May Cry,
> never Mind MGS2 or GT3!!
Now there's a revelation!
It all comes down to the games!
And not just that, but PERSONAL TASTE in games.
Personally (as in my opinion, not facts, not to be argued with) I prefer the look of the games available on the GAMECUBE.
I like the look of some of the PS2 games, and yes, I'd love to be able to play them, but I can't afford £300 right now, and I know that personally I'd prefer a GameCube when it comes out next year.
I have not seen one game on the X-box that would make me want it. Not one.
There are only two points I will make here
1) ATI are nothing compared to Nvidia, and if this is to be a valid discussion the the Xbox will hammer this into the ground. It's N2A graphics processor is something every PC gamer will be able to relate to as the current N20 (Geforce 3, still costs around £400) and technically will destroy it.
2) S3's texture compression technology is not exclusive to Nintendo, they also have an agreement with Nvidia, whereby Nvidia tell S3 how to use hardware T&L and S3 let Nvidia in to their secret of effective texture compresion.
I have no doubt that either console will be better than the PS2, but what you fail to notice is that it will be the games which make the consoles stand appart from the crowd, and I still haven't seen a game on the GC or Xbox that I would rather buy than Devil May Cry, never Mind MGS2 or GT3!!
1) ATI are nothing compared to Nvidia, and if this is to be a valid discussion the the Xbox will hammer this into the ground. It's N2A graphics processor is something every PC gamer will be able to relate to as the current N20 (Geforce 3, still costs around £400) and technically will destroy it.
2) S3's texture compression technology is not exclusive to Nintendo, they also have an agreement with Nvidia, whereby Nvidia tell S3 how to use hardware T&L and S3 let Nvidia in to their secret of effective texture compresion.
I have no doubt that either console will be better than the PS2, but what you fail to notice is that it will be the games which make the consoles stand appart from the crowd, and I still haven't seen a game on the GC or Xbox that I would rather buy than Devil May Cry, never Mind MGS2 or GT3!!
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