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But this time from a different angle.
As I see it, censorship is double standard and very, very suspicious.
Why?
The stance taken over violence in film as opposed to sex in films.
Why is it I can watch Arnie blow away a 3rd world country, yet I cant watch 2 people enjoying each other?
Nobody gets hurt (unless that's your thing), there are no murders, no explosions (well..nah, I wont), no dubious ethnic races used as villians.
Yet, should I so desire, I cannot watch this.
That seems wrong and just a little..disturbing to me.
I don't have the desire to watch a porn movie, grew out of that since The Net and puberty.
But if I do, then I have to trek to Soho and buy "specialist" videos.
Yet if I want to watch people getting shot, stabbed, hung, drowned, burnt I can pop down to (insert video chain here) and rent any number of action movies starring some endomorph with limited acting skills.
Why?
Why is it ok for me to witness murders and carnage, but I can't watch two consensual adults doing what we've all been doing since the dawn of man?
And you can apply that age old argument of movies influencing behaviour, with only positive results.
Imagine the headlines "Today, after watching Danish Dental Nurses 4, a young man imitated what he saw and...well...had a damn good time. Here's the weather."
A nicer, calmer, more relaxed world.
Surely better than braindead savages abducting kids and murdering them because of a movie with a killer doll?
There is no argument that holds up for why I can rent violent movies but I can't rent a skin-flick.
I would rather a child watch a porn film than a violent action thriller.
But that's me, I'm strange like that I suppose.
It just doesn't make sense that, instead of a laid-back and happy population watching these movies and imitating what they see (to no bad effect), we can all go watch The Matrix and think "Cool, Neo machine gunned 35 security guards whilst wearing shades...he's cool".
Don't get me wrong, I like action movies as much as the next man, I just find this double standard pointless and against the arguments people use for cinema influencing.
As far as I can see, the only negative copycat result would be bad perms, wah-wah music and asking everyone "Who's your daddy?"
As I see it, censorship is double standard and very, very suspicious.
Why?
The stance taken over violence in film as opposed to sex in films.
Why is it I can watch Arnie blow away a 3rd world country, yet I cant watch 2 people enjoying each other?
Nobody gets hurt (unless that's your thing), there are no murders, no explosions (well..nah, I wont), no dubious ethnic races used as villians.
Yet, should I so desire, I cannot watch this.
That seems wrong and just a little..disturbing to me.
I don't have the desire to watch a porn movie, grew out of that since The Net and puberty.
But if I do, then I have to trek to Soho and buy "specialist" videos.
Yet if I want to watch people getting shot, stabbed, hung, drowned, burnt I can pop down to (insert video chain here) and rent any number of action movies starring some endomorph with limited acting skills.
Why?
Why is it ok for me to witness murders and carnage, but I can't watch two consensual adults doing what we've all been doing since the dawn of man?
And you can apply that age old argument of movies influencing behaviour, with only positive results.
Imagine the headlines "Today, after watching Danish Dental Nurses 4, a young man imitated what he saw and...well...had a damn good time. Here's the weather."
A nicer, calmer, more relaxed world.
Surely better than braindead savages abducting kids and murdering them because of a movie with a killer doll?
There is no argument that holds up for why I can rent violent movies but I can't rent a skin-flick.
I would rather a child watch a porn film than a violent action thriller.
But that's me, I'm strange like that I suppose.
It just doesn't make sense that, instead of a laid-back and happy population watching these movies and imitating what they see (to no bad effect), we can all go watch The Matrix and think "Cool, Neo machine gunned 35 security guards whilst wearing shades...he's cool".
Don't get me wrong, I like action movies as much as the next man, I just find this double standard pointless and against the arguments people use for cinema influencing.
As far as I can see, the only negative copycat result would be bad perms, wah-wah music and asking everyone "Who's your daddy?"
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And that saddens me.
Not that people dont revel in porno, but that people find such a joy in watching violence.
Dont misunderstand me, I have many a good violent movie in my collection.
My FAD claim was Se7en, so I'm not a prude or hippy "Hey everyone, peace" kind of bloke.
But when we are in a position where you face stigmatism, or at the least, dubious looks should you buy/rent or be seen viewing porno, yet nobody bats an eyelid when I go up to the counter with "Snatch" in my hands makes me question where we're headed as a race.
This is all a bit heavy for this time of night.
Take Basic Instinct.
The furour around that film was "Lesbianism in mainstream Hollywood! Sharon Stone uncrossing her legs! Did they actually DO it?"
And not,"Er...this movie started with a guy getting an ice pick plunged into his face and eyes repeatedly."
People got furious about nudity and the oldest hobby in the world, but nobody mentioned the stabbings, shootings etc etc.
Christ, it just sounds like I'm "Violence is a bad thing in movies, ban it!"
That isn't my point.
I just wish people weren't so puritanical about this sort of thing
Not that people dont revel in porno, but that people find such a joy in watching violence.
Dont misunderstand me, I have many a good violent movie in my collection.
My FAD claim was Se7en, so I'm not a prude or hippy "Hey everyone, peace" kind of bloke.
But when we are in a position where you face stigmatism, or at the least, dubious looks should you buy/rent or be seen viewing porno, yet nobody bats an eyelid when I go up to the counter with "Snatch" in my hands makes me question where we're headed as a race.
This is all a bit heavy for this time of night.
Take Basic Instinct.
The furour around that film was "Lesbianism in mainstream Hollywood! Sharon Stone uncrossing her legs! Did they actually DO it?"
And not,"Er...this movie started with a guy getting an ice pick plunged into his face and eyes repeatedly."
People got furious about nudity and the oldest hobby in the world, but nobody mentioned the stabbings, shootings etc etc.
Christ, it just sounds like I'm "Violence is a bad thing in movies, ban it!"
That isn't my point.
I just wish people weren't so puritanical about this sort of thing
No, it doesn't sound like you only watch pornos - it's a great discussion point that can raise a few eyebrows (if you know what I mean) and that someone had the guts (yourself) to talk about!! I'm not saying we all harbour malicious instincts, thoughts or have chauvenistic intent, but people would rather watch violence than partake in it, with the opposite to sexual and erotic films!
Absolutely see your point.
And I'm not suggesting every should run out and rent porno movies.
You say that people would rather be doing it than watching it, so what does that say about violenct movies?
That people live vicariously through these movies? That everyone harbours violent instincts yet is reluctant to carry them out?
(this isnt an attack at all, honestly trying to figure it out)
Using that reasoning, the only reason people don't go out and have fights is for one simple reason:
It bloody hurts, even if you "win" it still hurts.
I haven't had a fight since I was at school, over 10 yearsa ago now for that simple reason.
But, all my initial point was, not debating the merits and appeal of porno movies, just wondering why it's easier for me to rent a violent movie than it is porn? Or not even porn, but "erotic thrillers".
There's a snigger element to it, we've all been snickering at the people that have made Erotic Witch Project the number one selling DVD on the SR chart.
I dont understand that.
We don't point and think "animal" if you went out and bought (for instance) Reservoir Dogs or Snatch (which a lot of people think is a cool film, despite there being dog fighting, murder, multiple shootings, a woman burnt to death in a caravan fire etc).
That's all I'm asking, why the stigma and heavy censorship on sex?
It's more fun, less harmful to others if you subscribe to the "movies influence behaviour" argument...I just dont see any reason for it.
Man...this sounds like all I do is watch porno doesn't it?
Ah well, I'll play Devil's Advocate for the sake of discussion
And I'm not suggesting every should run out and rent porno movies.
You say that people would rather be doing it than watching it, so what does that say about violenct movies?
That people live vicariously through these movies? That everyone harbours violent instincts yet is reluctant to carry them out?
(this isnt an attack at all, honestly trying to figure it out)
Using that reasoning, the only reason people don't go out and have fights is for one simple reason:
It bloody hurts, even if you "win" it still hurts.
I haven't had a fight since I was at school, over 10 yearsa ago now for that simple reason.
But, all my initial point was, not debating the merits and appeal of porno movies, just wondering why it's easier for me to rent a violent movie than it is porn? Or not even porn, but "erotic thrillers".
There's a snigger element to it, we've all been snickering at the people that have made Erotic Witch Project the number one selling DVD on the SR chart.
I dont understand that.
We don't point and think "animal" if you went out and bought (for instance) Reservoir Dogs or Snatch (which a lot of people think is a cool film, despite there being dog fighting, murder, multiple shootings, a woman burnt to death in a caravan fire etc).
That's all I'm asking, why the stigma and heavy censorship on sex?
It's more fun, less harmful to others if you subscribe to the "movies influence behaviour" argument...I just dont see any reason for it.
Man...this sounds like all I do is watch porno doesn't it?
Ah well, I'll play Devil's Advocate for the sake of discussion
Violence isn't ok, it just sells well - it's less close to home, and a a little unrealistic, sometimes that's what films are for - to stretch reality and to make you think of the extent that violence can do, as well as entertaining you for a couple of hours - sexual films, not cheap porn films, are ok, nothing wrong with them but it's just I don't know! I think people would rather be doing it rather than watching, do you see my point?
Ok, people are getting really confused about what I was trying to say here, I dont have a problem with violence in movies, I am an adult and can distinguish between reality and "reel" life.
All I was saying is that it's a double standard to ban porno, yet you can rent the most violent movies straight from the video-stores.
Why is violence ok and sex isn't?
I know which one I prefer to end up involved in after I've been out on a Friday night.
But there's this notion that sex is "dirty" and shouldnt be seen or talked about.
Why not? It's the most natural thing in the world, yet it is afforded a mythical status.
It's a rite of passage, a step into the adult world when you lose your virginity.
Yet when you have your 1st fight, that's just something "people do".
I think it's something to do with that whole "You musn't do that!" thinking that makes people seek it out.
The most searched stuff on the net is porn, not solider of fortune magazine.
Before I was 18, it was a big thing to go into a pub and drink.
Now I'm 27, I don't even think about it.
Buying fags underage, big thrill!
Now? It's expensive and a pain.
So what if people want to watch or read porn?
Where's the harm?
That stuff is top-shelf, yet mags like Fangoria can be bought by a kid. A mag filled with violent imagery and a celebration of murderous movie characters.
Again, I DON'T CARE, it just seems wrong to this bloke.
When I was at school, about 13 or 14, I found a stash of porn mags on the way to school.
I took them home, hid them and felt really clever.
My mum found them.
She just shrugged and left me to it.
And you know what the funny thing is?
When everyone had them at school, I was bored of them.
It was a case of "Seen that before."
No big deal made and I outgrew them.
Same with the net.
EVERYONE has searched for porn at some point, and I do mean EVERYONE.
But now? I visit chat rooms and play games online.
Doesnt enter my head to visit porn sites, boring.
Look at the DVD top seller:
The Erotic Witch Project.
Not "Commando" or "Big Hero Kills Lots of People", but a softcore porno movie.
That should say something about where people's interest is.
And I, for one, am pleased that someone would rather watch people having sex than people killing each other.
But that's just me.
I have nothing against action/violent/horror movies.
I thought The Matrix was superb, I think Reservoir Dogs is fantastic - I don't discriminate.
Just, once more, I can't figure out why violence is ok to watch but sex isnt.
To quote Lenny Bruce:
"If you think I'm dirty for enjoying my body, if you think I'm doing something wrong? Take it up with the maker, not me"
I can't say any better than him, so I won't.
All I was saying is that it's a double standard to ban porno, yet you can rent the most violent movies straight from the video-stores.
Why is violence ok and sex isn't?
I know which one I prefer to end up involved in after I've been out on a Friday night.
But there's this notion that sex is "dirty" and shouldnt be seen or talked about.
Why not? It's the most natural thing in the world, yet it is afforded a mythical status.
It's a rite of passage, a step into the adult world when you lose your virginity.
Yet when you have your 1st fight, that's just something "people do".
I think it's something to do with that whole "You musn't do that!" thinking that makes people seek it out.
The most searched stuff on the net is porn, not solider of fortune magazine.
Before I was 18, it was a big thing to go into a pub and drink.
Now I'm 27, I don't even think about it.
Buying fags underage, big thrill!
Now? It's expensive and a pain.
So what if people want to watch or read porn?
Where's the harm?
That stuff is top-shelf, yet mags like Fangoria can be bought by a kid. A mag filled with violent imagery and a celebration of murderous movie characters.
Again, I DON'T CARE, it just seems wrong to this bloke.
When I was at school, about 13 or 14, I found a stash of porn mags on the way to school.
I took them home, hid them and felt really clever.
My mum found them.
She just shrugged and left me to it.
And you know what the funny thing is?
When everyone had them at school, I was bored of them.
It was a case of "Seen that before."
No big deal made and I outgrew them.
Same with the net.
EVERYONE has searched for porn at some point, and I do mean EVERYONE.
But now? I visit chat rooms and play games online.
Doesnt enter my head to visit porn sites, boring.
Look at the DVD top seller:
The Erotic Witch Project.
Not "Commando" or "Big Hero Kills Lots of People", but a softcore porno movie.
That should say something about where people's interest is.
And I, for one, am pleased that someone would rather watch people having sex than people killing each other.
But that's just me.
I have nothing against action/violent/horror movies.
I thought The Matrix was superb, I think Reservoir Dogs is fantastic - I don't discriminate.
Just, once more, I can't figure out why violence is ok to watch but sex isnt.
To quote Lenny Bruce:
"If you think I'm dirty for enjoying my body, if you think I'm doing something wrong? Take it up with the maker, not me"
I can't say any better than him, so I won't.
But goatboy, having movies with no murder etc. would just lead to people claiming they had beaten the massive entertainment industry, and when was the last time you saw a good film which didn't have the slightest bit of violoence, even the lion king had a murder!!
Yep, that little sentence was inspired by his line.
And as for Bonus' point of scapegoats, that's my point.
Why, if everyone blames movies (and I dont think they should do), why the not have movies with no murder, no beatings...just nice and relaxed harmeless fun.
I'm not saying movies imitate life, I'm saying if that is the excuse for censoring movies, just another reason to relax the rules on porn.
And they have tried to pin violent acts on movies, the Hungerford thing was Rambo influenced, accoring the tabloids at the time, Columbine was Marylin Manson's fault, Jamie Bulger was because of Child's Play...so why not promote easier access to films that dont have any of this in? Films that show people happy, being natural and nobody dies?
But, just to make this clear - I DO NOT BELIEVE OR AGREE THAT MOVIES INFLUENCE BEHAVIOUR UNLESS YOU'RE A MORON.
There, that should nip that argument in the bud.
*hehe* nip
And as for Bonus' point of scapegoats, that's my point.
Why, if everyone blames movies (and I dont think they should do), why the not have movies with no murder, no beatings...just nice and relaxed harmeless fun.
I'm not saying movies imitate life, I'm saying if that is the excuse for censoring movies, just another reason to relax the rules on porn.
And they have tried to pin violent acts on movies, the Hungerford thing was Rambo influenced, accoring the tabloids at the time, Columbine was Marylin Manson's fault, Jamie Bulger was because of Child's Play...so why not promote easier access to films that dont have any of this in? Films that show people happy, being natural and nobody dies?
But, just to make this clear - I DO NOT BELIEVE OR AGREE THAT MOVIES INFLUENCE BEHAVIOUR UNLESS YOU'RE A MORON.
There, that should nip that argument in the bud.
*hehe* nip
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And you can apply that age old argument of movies influencing behaviour, with only positive results.
Imagine the headlines "Today, after watching Danish Dental Nurses 4, a young man imitated what he saw and...well...had a damn good time. Here's the weather."
Heh.:) A bit of a Bill Hicks-ism there Goatboy?
/Stj
And you can apply that age old argument of movies influencing behaviour, with only positive results.
Imagine the headlines "Today, after watching Danish Dental Nurses 4, a young man imitated what he saw and...well...had a damn good time. Here's the weather."
Heh.:) A bit of a Bill Hicks-ism there Goatboy?
/Stj
I don't think that these things should be censored as much as porn movies. Do we really want kids to begin bullying girls by raping them.
Wait a minute that is just a little extreme, its just not likely to happen. Very few people go around killing people just because they have a gun and wear shades, or rape people because they have seen it in a film so why should we begin to censor it?? What can be done to stop sick people attacking others in absolutely motiveless crimes?? Thomas Hamilto killed 16 and himself in Dunblane?? Why?? I bet the parents of all those kids wonder why too, but it's not likely to be based on films or games for that matter.
These people are ill, they see things differently from everyone else, and they need help so that this sort of thing doesn't happen. We cannot brand them as criminal before there acts have happened and we need to stop excluding them from society and trying to sweep the problem under the rug. This exclusion is what causes the problems to spiral, what we need to do is counsel and get inside the minds of these people, not look for scapegoats in the entertainment industry!!
Wait a minute that is just a little extreme, its just not likely to happen. Very few people go around killing people just because they have a gun and wear shades, or rape people because they have seen it in a film so why should we begin to censor it?? What can be done to stop sick people attacking others in absolutely motiveless crimes?? Thomas Hamilto killed 16 and himself in Dunblane?? Why?? I bet the parents of all those kids wonder why too, but it's not likely to be based on films or games for that matter.
These people are ill, they see things differently from everyone else, and they need help so that this sort of thing doesn't happen. We cannot brand them as criminal before there acts have happened and we need to stop excluding them from society and trying to sweep the problem under the rug. This exclusion is what causes the problems to spiral, what we need to do is counsel and get inside the minds of these people, not look for scapegoats in the entertainment industry!!
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