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I'm finding myself conflicted over the story of Terri Shiavo.
[URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1444123,00.html[/URL]
It tears at my heart that they're allowing her to starve to death, but the doctors have all confirmed that there is no recovery for her. Perhaps it is a moral issue that we must all face. Perhaps it's her husband that wants her to just die so he can move on with his life, insisting that it would be her will. Perhaps it's just her family that can not bring themselves to the resignation of letting her go.
It has definitely encouraged me to have a living will drafted so that in the event this circumstance occurs to me, everyone will know for certain that it was my wish not to live.
Who's choice is it to let her live or die? Letting her starve just seems inhumane.
[URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1444123,00.html[/URL]
It tears at my heart that they're allowing her to starve to death, but the doctors have all confirmed that there is no recovery for her. Perhaps it is a moral issue that we must all face. Perhaps it's her husband that wants her to just die so he can move on with his life, insisting that it would be her will. Perhaps it's just her family that can not bring themselves to the resignation of letting her go.
It has definitely encouraged me to have a living will drafted so that in the event this circumstance occurs to me, everyone will know for certain that it was my wish not to live.
Who's choice is it to let her live or die? Letting her starve just seems inhumane.
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Lets put it this way, herfeeding tube has been removed, she's going to starve to death because we won't feed her.
She's dying because she can't feed herself.
She can't feed herself so we should feed her for her.
People in poverty can't feed themselves, shouldn't we feed them instead?
The can get fed, they can go to school, they can get jobs, tehy can feed mre people.
By feeding Mrs Schiavo, all that's being done is leaving a body to continue to respirate, that's all. Thdere are no benifits of feeding her, she's not really alive.
If they're so Christian, surely then letting her die will allow her to go to Heaven?
On one hand your confined to a bed for 15+ years, unable to do anything
On teh otehr hand you've got eternal life in paradise, where you do not suffer.
Which would you choose?
She's dying because she can't feed herself.
She can't feed herself so we should feed her for her.
People in poverty can't feed themselves, shouldn't we feed them instead?
The can get fed, they can go to school, they can get jobs, tehy can feed mre people.
By feeding Mrs Schiavo, all that's being done is leaving a body to continue to respirate, that's all. Thdere are no benifits of feeding her, she's not really alive.
If they're so Christian, surely then letting her die will allow her to go to Heaven?
On one hand your confined to a bed for 15+ years, unable to do anything
On teh otehr hand you've got eternal life in paradise, where you do not suffer.
Which would you choose?
Do you want your grammy to die alone in a sterile hospital, surrounded by strangers? Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris ...
Celestine wrote:
> She's still breathing, albeit fading. Her soul is still with us and
> who's choice is it to let it die? That was my question. Was that
> not the dilemma?
Assuming people have souls...
If we've learnt anything from this case it's that perhaps people should carry things something like donor cards, telling doctors your wishes incase you somehow fall into a vegatitive state. And we should stop being so illogical about euthenasia when it comes to humans. As people have already raised, it's seen as humane to put animals down when they are elderly and in pain with no chance of recovery. Obviously they can't make that decision for themselves as they don't *know* they have no chance of recovery, etc. But if a human knows all the facts and still wishes to die, why not let them?
In this case, we do not know the wishes of the woman in question. But quite frankly, for Mr. Bush to come in and try to meddle in a case that has been through the courts for seven years is ridiculous, he's simply trying to impress the Christian right again with his 'right to life' rhetoric.
A further point that has already been touched on. If doctors can give patients lethal injections when they have no chance of recovery and it is the wish of the patient, this will save health services money in keeping that patient alive. This money can then be invested back into helping patients with curable illness as well as helping other terminally ill patients live out their remaining days in a more dignified manner. It may seem rather sickening to be looking at this from a monetary point of view, but in reality the freed up cash could save other lives, so wouldn't it be foolish not to look at that side of it?
> She's still breathing, albeit fading. Her soul is still with us and
> who's choice is it to let it die? That was my question. Was that
> not the dilemma?
Assuming people have souls...
If we've learnt anything from this case it's that perhaps people should carry things something like donor cards, telling doctors your wishes incase you somehow fall into a vegatitive state. And we should stop being so illogical about euthenasia when it comes to humans. As people have already raised, it's seen as humane to put animals down when they are elderly and in pain with no chance of recovery. Obviously they can't make that decision for themselves as they don't *know* they have no chance of recovery, etc. But if a human knows all the facts and still wishes to die, why not let them?
In this case, we do not know the wishes of the woman in question. But quite frankly, for Mr. Bush to come in and try to meddle in a case that has been through the courts for seven years is ridiculous, he's simply trying to impress the Christian right again with his 'right to life' rhetoric.
A further point that has already been touched on. If doctors can give patients lethal injections when they have no chance of recovery and it is the wish of the patient, this will save health services money in keeping that patient alive. This money can then be invested back into helping patients with curable illness as well as helping other terminally ill patients live out their remaining days in a more dignified manner. It may seem rather sickening to be looking at this from a monetary point of view, but in reality the freed up cash could save other lives, so wouldn't it be foolish not to look at that side of it?
I think they should just finish her off now, although they say she does't feel pain why do they choose such a long way for her to die?
It doesn't make sense to see her body waste away over a 2 week period which will distress any family members she has more than her just dieing suddenly.
If i ever got like that i'd want to die, but i would want to so in some spectacular way like dropped in a volcano from a helicopter or something. (assuming i can't feel pain)
It doesn't make sense to see her body waste away over a 2 week period which will distress any family members she has more than her just dieing suddenly.
If i ever got like that i'd want to die, but i would want to so in some spectacular way like dropped in a volcano from a helicopter or something. (assuming i can't feel pain)
I agree, Celestine. Florida's laws to protect animals are more humane than what they're doing to that woman. What day of starvation is she on already, five? Six? They said it could take up to TWO WEEKS before she actually passes away. Animals at the humane society die faster. Suddenly, a death row execution seem like a more graceful way to die...
All of this is conflicting and appalling to me. Of course, my heart goes out to her. It does to every one of the members of her family, but especially to her mother for having to see her child in this condition. Every decent parent feels something when their child is injured or suffering. It would be sheer hell for me. She survived for fifteen years with that feeding tube as her life support. Though, I agree to letting her go now.
It saddens me that Terri's life was nothing but toggling material between liberal and conservative views. It was nothing to her tard husband who abandoned her and who probably put her there to begin with. It bothers me that they inserted and removed that feeding tube so many damn times. It bothers me when people say she suffered nothing because she was comatose. Her eyes were open.
She's still breathing, albeit fading. Her soul is still with us and who's choice is it to let it die? That was my question. Was that not the dilemma?
Pulling the feeding tube and allowing her to dehydrate to the point where all of her organs fail her, was just murder. And, in this instance, I wish they would inject her, post haste, with something feel good and lethal.
Just give her the goods and a nice ride out.
It saddens me that Terri's life was nothing but toggling material between liberal and conservative views. It was nothing to her tard husband who abandoned her and who probably put her there to begin with. It bothers me that they inserted and removed that feeding tube so many damn times. It bothers me when people say she suffered nothing because she was comatose. Her eyes were open.
She's still breathing, albeit fading. Her soul is still with us and who's choice is it to let it die? That was my question. Was that not the dilemma?
Pulling the feeding tube and allowing her to dehydrate to the point where all of her organs fail her, was just murder. And, in this instance, I wish they would inject her, post haste, with something feel good and lethal.
Just give her the goods and a nice ride out.
Euthanasia is the humane thing in many cases.
Our stupid laws and morally twisted society just can't acknowledge that.
Abortion is also the right choice in some cases.
I dare say most of the people opposing both of these things are religious fanatics who can't see past their bibles.
Our stupid laws and morally twisted society just can't acknowledge that.
Abortion is also the right choice in some cases.
I dare say most of the people opposing both of these things are religious fanatics who can't see past their bibles.
Celestine wrote:
> Lethal injections seem like what they'd give the condemned on death
> row, not the terminally ill.
They are by and large the same thing.
And so?
>That's euthanasia, right? I thought
> that was still illegal.
Over here, yes it's illegal. Although I see no reason for it to be.
> [edit] Though, I do agree that zipping her out quick would be a more
> civilized method to letting her dangle at deaths door. Everytime I
> think about this, my heart goes out to her mother.
Mine doesn't. If anyone, surely the girl in question?
If I were a parent to this girl, I'd let her go - there's no improvement, no chance of life, hardly any life at all. It seems purely selfish to me to keep her alive.
Gather your memories, and say goodbye.
> Lethal injections seem like what they'd give the condemned on death
> row, not the terminally ill.
They are by and large the same thing.
And so?
>That's euthanasia, right? I thought
> that was still illegal.
Over here, yes it's illegal. Although I see no reason for it to be.
> [edit] Though, I do agree that zipping her out quick would be a more
> civilized method to letting her dangle at deaths door. Everytime I
> think about this, my heart goes out to her mother.
Mine doesn't. If anyone, surely the girl in question?
If I were a parent to this girl, I'd let her go - there's no improvement, no chance of life, hardly any life at all. It seems purely selfish to me to keep her alive.
Gather your memories, and say goodbye.
Here's an argument:
I wonder how much is spent on keeping her alive every year? Many thousands. She will never recover, and will remain in a vegetative state, unable to think or do anything for herself, not even feeling pain.
In Africa millions die each year through cureable diseases, lack of water and famine. Their pain is very real, and as we are all told, a couple of quid can save a whole village. So, knock Mrs Schiavo off (this sounds so horrible) and feed over a thousand starving children each year with (her bone marrow MWHAHAHAH) the money saved.
I await your shock and horror.
I wonder how much is spent on keeping her alive every year? Many thousands. She will never recover, and will remain in a vegetative state, unable to think or do anything for herself, not even feeling pain.
In Africa millions die each year through cureable diseases, lack of water and famine. Their pain is very real, and as we are all told, a couple of quid can save a whole village. So, knock Mrs Schiavo off (this sounds so horrible) and feed over a thousand starving children each year with (her bone marrow MWHAHAHAH) the money saved.
I await your shock and horror.
Lethal injections seem like what they'd give the condemned on death row, not the terminally ill. That's euthanasia, right? I thought that was still illegal.
[edit] Though, I do agree that zipping her out quick would be a more civilized method to letting her dangle at deaths door. Everytime I think about this, my heart goes out to her mother.
[edit] Though, I do agree that zipping her out quick would be a more civilized method to letting her dangle at deaths door. Everytime I think about this, my heart goes out to her mother.
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