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Strange, salt doesn't immediately spring to mind as something to poison someone with. Weird.
Strange, salt doesn't immediately spring to mind as something to poison someone with. Weird.
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Grix Thraves wrote:
> Via-torala wrote:
> "I'd imagine being around him made her feel safe."
>
> How?
I read the whole of my post and then realised i had presumed she was a hypochondriac, if she was then being in a hospital where she was surrounded by doctors would calm her fears a little.
> Via-torala wrote:
> "I'd imagine being around him made her feel safe."
>
> How?
I read the whole of my post and then realised i had presumed she was a hypochondriac, if she was then being in a hospital where she was surrounded by doctors would calm her fears a little.
Via-torala wrote:
"I don't think she meant to kill her own son, she would have been trying to keep him just ill enough. She would have known that if he died they would have found out why and even if they didn't she then has to find another way of getting attention, the death of her son would only be a short term solution."
That proves nothing. You're suggesting that the woman was thinking rationally when she put sugar into urine, and blackcurrant or mint or whatever into his vomit. It's completely obvious to any sane medical person that these items should not be in the samples, but as she continued to do so, perhaps it wasn't so obvious to her that she could be traced. As for it being a short term solution, all her actions were short term. Killing her own son would be significantly long-term, as something that she can always pull up when she needed it.
She obviously has difficulty understanding the damage she can do to herself and others (she covered herself in cleaning fluid to make her appear as if she had leukaemia). There's nothing to suggest she didn't have the power to kill for attention.
"I've just looked on a medical site and it's not actually recognised as a mental illness, just a form of mistreament which is questionable when you consider it has roots in some form of anxiety disorder, she would project her worries onto her son because she can't deal with the anxiety of her own hypochondria which would be made worse by doctors telling her she's fine."
But it -has- been linked to mothers (generally) killing their own children and covering it up. It's still very theoretical, but the basis is that a parent can kill their own child in a very complex way of demanding attention. It's terrifying and certainly hard to believe, but also difficult to disprove, and therefore has to be considered as a viable option.
"I'd imagine being around him made her feel safe."
How?
"I don't think she meant to kill her own son, she would have been trying to keep him just ill enough. She would have known that if he died they would have found out why and even if they didn't she then has to find another way of getting attention, the death of her son would only be a short term solution."
That proves nothing. You're suggesting that the woman was thinking rationally when she put sugar into urine, and blackcurrant or mint or whatever into his vomit. It's completely obvious to any sane medical person that these items should not be in the samples, but as she continued to do so, perhaps it wasn't so obvious to her that she could be traced. As for it being a short term solution, all her actions were short term. Killing her own son would be significantly long-term, as something that she can always pull up when she needed it.
She obviously has difficulty understanding the damage she can do to herself and others (she covered herself in cleaning fluid to make her appear as if she had leukaemia). There's nothing to suggest she didn't have the power to kill for attention.
"I've just looked on a medical site and it's not actually recognised as a mental illness, just a form of mistreament which is questionable when you consider it has roots in some form of anxiety disorder, she would project her worries onto her son because she can't deal with the anxiety of her own hypochondria which would be made worse by doctors telling her she's fine."
But it -has- been linked to mothers (generally) killing their own children and covering it up. It's still very theoretical, but the basis is that a parent can kill their own child in a very complex way of demanding attention. It's terrifying and certainly hard to believe, but also difficult to disprove, and therefore has to be considered as a viable option.
"I'd imagine being around him made her feel safe."
How?
OMG
:O
Mrs. Green, with the novelty dilldo, in the kitchen.
:O
Mrs. Green, with the novelty dilldo, in the kitchen.
There's been a murder.
A murder?
Aye, murder.
A murder?
Aye, murder.
Nah, it was murder. Twisted bast.
Chad Niga wrote:
> This is a pretty old story.
> I think the parents are idiots, what the hell were they thinking.
> 'Let's Feed him salt!'
>
> What a bunch of fools, killing someone because of their own
> ignorance.
I thought this was a pretty new story as it's on the news today, it wasn't ignorance, it was a deliberate attempt to make him ill.
> This is a pretty old story.
> I think the parents are idiots, what the hell were they thinking.
> 'Let's Feed him salt!'
>
> What a bunch of fools, killing someone because of their own
> ignorance.
I thought this was a pretty new story as it's on the news today, it wasn't ignorance, it was a deliberate attempt to make him ill.
This is a pretty old story.
I think the parents are idiots, what the hell were they thinking. 'Let's Feed him salt!'
What a bunch of fools, killing someone because of their own ignorance.
I think the parents are idiots, what the hell were they thinking. 'Let's Feed him salt!'
What a bunch of fools, killing someone because of their own ignorance.
Grix Thraves wrote:
> Of course yeah... That makes sense.
>
> And why make yourself ill if you have someone close by that's already
> ill? Just make him worse, everyone around you looks after you and
> tells you it'll be ok.
>
> Only problem left really is if she actually wanted him dead or not?
> Did she know the salt would kill him? It kinda ruins the theory if
> she did..
>
> ...actually, perhaps not. Maybe she actually reached the point she
> believed that killing him would allow her to receive even more
> attention, so people would pity her. She already made terrible
> efforts in making the other ways of altering his urine and vomit
> samples 'clean', so perhaps she honestly believed nobody would know.
>
> Scary. I've never liked attention seeking people anyway.
I don't think she meant to kill her own son, she would have been trying to keep him just ill enough. She would have known that if he died they would have found out why and even if they didn't she then has to find another way of getting attention, the death of her son would only be a short term solution.
I've just looked on a medical site and it's not actually recognised as a mental illness, just a form of mistreament which is questionable when you consider it has roots in some form of anxiety disorder, she would project her worries onto her son because she can't deal with the anxiety of her own hypochondria which would be made worse by doctors telling her she's fine. I'd imagine being around him made her feel safe.
> Of course yeah... That makes sense.
>
> And why make yourself ill if you have someone close by that's already
> ill? Just make him worse, everyone around you looks after you and
> tells you it'll be ok.
>
> Only problem left really is if she actually wanted him dead or not?
> Did she know the salt would kill him? It kinda ruins the theory if
> she did..
>
> ...actually, perhaps not. Maybe she actually reached the point she
> believed that killing him would allow her to receive even more
> attention, so people would pity her. She already made terrible
> efforts in making the other ways of altering his urine and vomit
> samples 'clean', so perhaps she honestly believed nobody would know.
>
> Scary. I've never liked attention seeking people anyway.
I don't think she meant to kill her own son, she would have been trying to keep him just ill enough. She would have known that if he died they would have found out why and even if they didn't she then has to find another way of getting attention, the death of her son would only be a short term solution.
I've just looked on a medical site and it's not actually recognised as a mental illness, just a form of mistreament which is questionable when you consider it has roots in some form of anxiety disorder, she would project her worries onto her son because she can't deal with the anxiety of her own hypochondria which would be made worse by doctors telling her she's fine. I'd imagine being around him made her feel safe.
Via-torala wrote:
"Munchausen by proxy, by being around someone ill she would get the attention she wants"
Of course yeah... That makes sense.
And why make yourself ill if you have someone close by that's already ill? Just make him worse, everyone around you looks after you and tells you it'll be ok.
Only problem left really is if she actually wanted him dead or not? Did she know the salt would kill him? It kinda ruins the theory if she did..
...actually, perhaps not. Maybe she actually reached the point she believed that killing him would allow her to receive even more attention, so people would pity her. She already made terrible efforts in making the other ways of altering his urine and vomit samples 'clean', so perhaps she honestly believed nobody would know.
Scary. I've never liked attention seeking people anyway.
"Munchausen by proxy, by being around someone ill she would get the attention she wants"
Of course yeah... That makes sense.
And why make yourself ill if you have someone close by that's already ill? Just make him worse, everyone around you looks after you and tells you it'll be ok.
Only problem left really is if she actually wanted him dead or not? Did she know the salt would kill him? It kinda ruins the theory if she did..
...actually, perhaps not. Maybe she actually reached the point she believed that killing him would allow her to receive even more attention, so people would pity her. She already made terrible efforts in making the other ways of altering his urine and vomit samples 'clean', so perhaps she honestly believed nobody would know.
Scary. I've never liked attention seeking people anyway.
Grix Thraves wrote:
> What I can't understand is why..
>
> If the death was accidental, then it makes a bit more sense,
> for her history of attention seeking made up illnesses etc, but why
> put these onto her son? She needs help, not just to be locked up.
Munchausen by proxy, by being around someone ill she would get the attention she wants although i don't see why she just didn't make herself ill instead.
> What I can't understand is why..
>
> If the death was accidental, then it makes a bit more sense,
> for her history of attention seeking made up illnesses etc, but why
> put these onto her son? She needs help, not just to be locked up.
Munchausen by proxy, by being around someone ill she would get the attention she wants although i don't see why she just didn't make herself ill instead.
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