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Here follows a very simplified perspective:
It's difficult to understand how people now vote Tory. I assume the main cause is selfishness and a possible kneejerk reaction that's somehow carried on jerking for 30 years in some people.
There are so many reasons not to vote for them even as a protest vote.
1) They usually go on about lowering taxes. This is not always a great thing especially coming from a party that has run down the NHS and privatised off a lot of things that worked better before they were privatised.
2) Major privatisation (see 1)
3) Trust. They are the least trustworthy party, they haven't changed - underneath it's still the same party of crooks who'd sell their grandmother.
4) Backwards attitudes. Thankfully this appears to be costing them even more voters (even from their hardcore set) with their proposals to scrutinize foreign wives of british citizens.
5) They haven't changed (see 3). It's the same party underneath and (hopefully) no promise of taxcuts is going to persuade people to vote for a party that's caused many of the problem society still struggles with today.
6) Whatever Labour's mistakes you just know the Tories would have made worse ones. Labour's the lesser of two evils.
7) The Liberal Democrats are better for protest votes. They seem to be good caretakers and seem to make a good job of things (next to the other two anyway).
Anyway, these are obviously extremely simplified points, but I've made them in the interest of having a decent discussion.
It's difficult to understand how people now vote Tory. I assume the main cause is selfishness and a possible kneejerk reaction that's somehow carried on jerking for 30 years in some people.
There are so many reasons not to vote for them even as a protest vote.
1) They usually go on about lowering taxes. This is not always a great thing especially coming from a party that has run down the NHS and privatised off a lot of things that worked better before they were privatised.
2) Major privatisation (see 1)
3) Trust. They are the least trustworthy party, they haven't changed - underneath it's still the same party of crooks who'd sell their grandmother.
4) Backwards attitudes. Thankfully this appears to be costing them even more voters (even from their hardcore set) with their proposals to scrutinize foreign wives of british citizens.
5) They haven't changed (see 3). It's the same party underneath and (hopefully) no promise of taxcuts is going to persuade people to vote for a party that's caused many of the problem society still struggles with today.
6) Whatever Labour's mistakes you just know the Tories would have made worse ones. Labour's the lesser of two evils.
7) The Liberal Democrats are better for protest votes. They seem to be good caretakers and seem to make a good job of things (next to the other two anyway).
Anyway, these are obviously extremely simplified points, but I've made them in the interest of having a decent discussion.
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Yes. Yes Yes, a thousand yes's to this thread. I'm New Labour through and through. And here's my message:
Even if your not going to vote Labour, please please please oh for the love of the creator of Fairy Liquid, please DON'T VOTE TORY!!! Please...
Even if your not going to vote Labour, please please please oh for the love of the creator of Fairy Liquid, please DON'T VOTE TORY!!! Please...
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Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
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Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
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Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
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Did you threaten to over-rule him?
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Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Look Mr Howard answer the simple question:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
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Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you really threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
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Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
who
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
who
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
GHEY
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
ggggggay
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Look Mr Howard answer the simple question:
Did you threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
yes
Hedfix - www.hedfix.com says:
Did you really threaten to over-rule him?
Cancel your Xbox Live account you dumb twit fase says:
dont make me block you
Light wrote:
>
> Anyway, another good reason not to vote Tory; their current leader
> avoided answering a simple question on Newsnight something like 15
> times. That is still one of the greatest pieces of television in
> history...
But DID he threaten to over-rule him? :D
>
> Anyway, another good reason not to vote Tory; their current leader
> avoided answering a simple question on Newsnight something like 15
> times. That is still one of the greatest pieces of television in
> history...
But DID he threaten to over-rule him? :D
KR wrote:
> Wasn't it them who wanted the legal drinking age to be 21 whilst they
> wanted the gay sex age to be lowered to 14?
No, that was you ahahaha huuuuuur
> Wasn't it them who wanted the legal drinking age to be 21 whilst they
> wanted the gay sex age to be lowered to 14?
No, that was you ahahaha huuuuuur
SHEEPY wrote:
> However, the Lib Dems managed to avoid the student fees in
> England/Wales so good on them. Our system seems fair - they pay it
> just now and we pay them back over a few years when we get a job.
i was thinking about this a while back, if i take out a massive student loan and then afterwards get a job in Canada and move over there, will i still have to pay that money back to the bank here in England?
> However, the Lib Dems managed to avoid the student fees in
> England/Wales so good on them. Our system seems fair - they pay it
> just now and we pay them back over a few years when we get a job.
i was thinking about this a while back, if i take out a massive student loan and then afterwards get a job in Canada and move over there, will i still have to pay that money back to the bank here in England?
One thing I saw on the TV the other day irritated me.
Michael Howard with a bunch of old people waving a "Keep Britain British" flag.
'Howard is pushing his 'immigrant' arguement is annoying as well. OK, there might quite a few people coming to Britain, but he is joining the Daily Mail's ferocious "ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE SCUM!!" campaign.
You so know he's secretly a big fat facist Nazi in disguise.
Michael Howard with a bunch of old people waving a "Keep Britain British" flag.
'Howard is pushing his 'immigrant' arguement is annoying as well. OK, there might quite a few people coming to Britain, but he is joining the Daily Mail's ferocious "ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE SCUM!!" campaign.
You so know he's secretly a big fat facist Nazi in disguise.
They're in coalition with Labour, the Scottish Parliament doesn't really do anything but use up lots of money.
However, the Lib Dems managed to avoid the student fees in England/Wales so good on them. Our system seems fair - they pay it just now and we pay them back over a few years when we get a job.
However, the Lib Dems managed to avoid the student fees in England/Wales so good on them. Our system seems fair - they pay it just now and we pay them back over a few years when we get a job.
The Libdems are in power in Scotland aren't they? Or are they no longer part of a Labour Libdem coalition up there? I should really pay more attention to this kind of thing.
Anyway, another good reason not to vote Tory; their current leader avoided answering a simple question on Newsnight something like 15 times. That is still one of the greatest pieces of television in history...
Anyway, another good reason not to vote Tory; their current leader avoided answering a simple question on Newsnight something like 15 times. That is still one of the greatest pieces of television in history...
Sounds more like a focus group rather than a party line.
As a party line that's political suicide.
As a party line that's political suicide.
Wasn't it them who wanted the legal drinking age to be 21 whilst they wanted the gay sex age to be lowered to 14?
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