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I've just been asked by the Head of our Marketing department to join them.
Better job, much more in line with the sort of things I enjoy, better prospects, better money...and I feel like Satan's emissary on earth. Bah...
Better job, much more in line with the sort of things I enjoy, better prospects, better money...and I feel like Satan's emissary on earth. Bah...
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To be fair to Light, I think he knows himself to well not to get stuck into the 9-5 Ikea man etc etc
It's not exactly a bad thing, whilst people enjoy acting/writing/painting/playing music there is always the reality that they will never reach a level where they can afford the level they are accustomed too. Not that I'm saying IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, GROW UP AND MATURE etc... you've always got to keep one on ahem 'the financial/getting older situation.
I think the most important thing is to do your job... but that's all, don't let it affect your life and just leave it there when you clock off at 5pm. Plus, if you stick to this you might as well get more money than if you were to stay in your current job.
Word of warning though, my dad was similar in his early 20s... used to work on the shop floor at an engineering place. Went to college and worked himself up, now he has a job which at times makes him miserable and his usual day is 8-7pm and he gets no overtime. Still sticks to his principles though (even though his company has had work in Iraq).
It's not exactly a bad thing, whilst people enjoy acting/writing/painting/playing music there is always the reality that they will never reach a level where they can afford the level they are accustomed too. Not that I'm saying IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, GROW UP AND MATURE etc... you've always got to keep one on ahem 'the financial/getting older situation.
I think the most important thing is to do your job... but that's all, don't let it affect your life and just leave it there when you clock off at 5pm. Plus, if you stick to this you might as well get more money than if you were to stay in your current job.
Word of warning though, my dad was similar in his early 20s... used to work on the shop floor at an engineering place. Went to college and worked himself up, now he has a job which at times makes him miserable and his usual day is 8-7pm and he gets no overtime. Still sticks to his principles though (even though his company has had work in Iraq).
Do you take in your guitar and sing too?
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa! Yeah, I still get images on Brents motivational speaking when I even think about this job too...
Yes, but now I'm talking to a bloke that will be a corporate marketing presenter and is concerned for "future financial security."
I think that sentence just took a 12gauge to the fantasy of being anything other than Mr 9-5.
“I thought you wanted to go back to university and everything?”
“Yeah, I will, but there’s a slight bit of a change in plan.”
“Oh, right.”
“David’s made me senior sales clerk.”
“Wow. I thought you wanted to be a psychologist.”
“Oh, yeah, but senior sales clerk, it’s £500 guaranteed extra a year, and if I do a bit of networking, then there’s every chance I could be in David’s chair in 3 years.”
“And all that talk about moving on in the world?”
“No, I said moving up, yeah, moving up. Moving up can mean within an internal ladder framework, or sideways to external, then up. You know, you gotta look at the whole pie, vis-à-vis my current life situation.”
Just joshing
I think that sentence just took a 12gauge to the fantasy of being anything other than Mr 9-5.
“I thought you wanted to go back to university and everything?”
“Yeah, I will, but there’s a slight bit of a change in plan.”
“Oh, right.”
“David’s made me senior sales clerk.”
“Wow. I thought you wanted to be a psychologist.”
“Oh, yeah, but senior sales clerk, it’s £500 guaranteed extra a year, and if I do a bit of networking, then there’s every chance I could be in David’s chair in 3 years.”
“And all that talk about moving on in the world?”
“No, I said moving up, yeah, moving up. Moving up can mean within an internal ladder framework, or sideways to external, then up. You know, you gotta look at the whole pie, vis-à-vis my current life situation.”
Just joshing
Goatboy wrote:
> I think you accepted the offer within the hour then thought "Man,
> I better make like I'm tortured about this, what will everybody say
> otherwise?".
> And that's Kool & The Gang.
> I hope it works out well for you sir, and rest assured that your
> friends will let you know the moment you start caring about
> cutlery, cushions and doing the washing up (don't forget I've seen
> your place, and I almost saw your sink)
Heh. Believe it or not, I didn't accept it until today. Said yes 2 hours ago. Okay, so 24hours isn't exactly making 'em sweat on it...
Now why would I care about washing up when there will soon be a lady in my house to care about that stuff? Remember; you're talking to the man who paid a friend of his to do his ironing. For 2 years.
> I think you accepted the offer within the hour then thought "Man,
> I better make like I'm tortured about this, what will everybody say
> otherwise?".
> And that's Kool & The Gang.
> I hope it works out well for you sir, and rest assured that your
> friends will let you know the moment you start caring about
> cutlery, cushions and doing the washing up (don't forget I've seen
> your place, and I almost saw your sink)
Heh. Believe it or not, I didn't accept it until today. Said yes 2 hours ago. Okay, so 24hours isn't exactly making 'em sweat on it...
Now why would I care about washing up when there will soon be a lady in my house to care about that stuff? Remember; you're talking to the man who paid a friend of his to do his ironing. For 2 years.
Light wrote:
> And if all else fails, I can look at Sarah (Pandy knows who I mean)
> and ask "Have I turned into her and taken her attitude?".
> If the answer is yes, then hand me the noose. If no...well, then what
> I do won't define who I am. And that suits me fine.
It'll never happen mate. She's one of these people to who the appearance of being successful matters more than anything else in her life.
> And if all else fails, I can look at Sarah (Pandy knows who I mean)
> and ask "Have I turned into her and taken her attitude?".
> If the answer is yes, then hand me the noose. If no...well, then what
> I do won't define who I am. And that suits me fine.
It'll never happen mate. She's one of these people to who the appearance of being successful matters more than anything else in her life.
SHEEPY wrote:
> Deep down I'm sure Light meant the title to read
>
> " Please still be my bud Goatboy... I'LL STEAL PENS "
Ahahahaha!
Excellence.
> Deep down I'm sure Light meant the title to read
>
> " Please still be my bud Goatboy... I'LL STEAL PENS "
Ahahahaha!
Excellence.
I think you accepted the offer within the hour then thought "Man, I better make like I'm tortured about this, what will everybody say otherwise?".
And that's Kool & The Gang.
I hope it works out well for you sir, and rest assured that your friends will let you know the moment you start caring about cutlery, cushions and doing the washing up (don't forget I've seen your place, and I almost saw your sink)
And that's Kool & The Gang.
I hope it works out well for you sir, and rest assured that your friends will let you know the moment you start caring about cutlery, cushions and doing the washing up (don't forget I've seen your place, and I almost saw your sink)
Goatboy wrote:
> Stuff. Lotsa stuff.
And very helpful it is too.
Yeah, I do know what you're saying. The acting, plus the stuff I just emailed you about, is VERY important to me. I have to ensure that that remains my main drive behind my life, and not just a distraction from something that becomes a 2.4 children braindeadbraindeadBRAINDEAD lifestyle. If I can get that balance right, then I think this is a good thing to do. If I can't...well, I will have turned into something I hate, and no amount of ranting will change that.
Happily, I have friends such as yourself, Pandy, Sara, Tim, Dan (oh God, ESPECIALLY Dan) who will inform me, in no uncertain terms, if they think I'm losing touch with who and what I actually am. That'll help me get the balance right.
And if all else fails, I can look at Sarah (Pandy knows who I mean) and ask "Have I turned into her and taken her attitude?". If the answer is yes, then hand me the noose. If no...well, then what I do won't define who I am. And that suits me fine.
> Stuff. Lotsa stuff.
And very helpful it is too.
Yeah, I do know what you're saying. The acting, plus the stuff I just emailed you about, is VERY important to me. I have to ensure that that remains my main drive behind my life, and not just a distraction from something that becomes a 2.4 children braindeadbraindeadBRAINDEAD lifestyle. If I can get that balance right, then I think this is a good thing to do. If I can't...well, I will have turned into something I hate, and no amount of ranting will change that.
Happily, I have friends such as yourself, Pandy, Sara, Tim, Dan (oh God, ESPECIALLY Dan) who will inform me, in no uncertain terms, if they think I'm losing touch with who and what I actually am. That'll help me get the balance right.
And if all else fails, I can look at Sarah (Pandy knows who I mean) and ask "Have I turned into her and taken her attitude?". If the answer is yes, then hand me the noose. If no...well, then what I do won't define who I am. And that suits me fine.
Light wrote:
> Meh. This is a moral dilemma for me. I mean, am I turning into
> something I don't want to be? I don't think so; like I say, I've
> always had a strong element of "wanting to do well in
> society", as well as an interest in being part of a healthy
> society.
----
Seriously though, cheap jibes at being a wagewhore aside, if you really do have a notion of "wanting to do well in society" then who gives a crap what anybody thinks, lest of all the memories of a dead comedian who makes you laugh.
What I would say though is to consider what it is you want to be.
You say you want to be a full-time actor making a decent living doing something you love. And that's fantastic, I honestly hope it comes (you've worked hard enough at it).
Buuuuut (and there's always a but with Goaty) if you take this job then I personally think you're kissing that opportunity away.
You'll be a marketing person who wants to be an actor, instead of an actor who's merely sitting the down-time out in an office.
It's a trade off the way I see it.
You'll have increased money, sure, but increased responsibility and more demands on your time.
You'll slowly start to not find time for reheasals/auditions etc until one day you wake up at 40 with a nice wife and a nice house and a nice car and a nice lawnmower and nice neighbours. You'll have nice dinner parties and buy nice furniture and go nice places on holiday. You'll go to a nice office with nice people and have a nice day.
And there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, if that's going to fulfill you. Millions of people do/are like that and coast through life with very little friction.
But if you don't think that's you, and you do it to be comfortable then that's the biggest crime you can ever commit - to trade dreams and aspirations for comfort and nice things.
You say you're fuelled with rage at the world, yet it's an impotent rage because at the end of the day you don't do anything about it.
Don't take that as a criticism, it's not mate - you know me better than that, I only say what I see without an agenda.
To vent fury at things but to settle for surrounding yourself with nice things to block out that innner voice is to suffocate what makes you different. You've spleened against the "crowd" often, as have I, so to sink into that life either means it's horseshit posturing or that you don't believe in your own abilities enough to hold your nose and step off the high board.
Look at my job with CPL. Despite my attitude and general non-interest, I got 2 rises in the space of a year with increased responsibility. This is despite telling my boss that I really didn't enjoy it and couldn't be bothered with it. I could've sat there for another 30yrs surfing the internet and writing my diatribes against drones.
But I couldn't do it, I walked away. Took a good look at myself and threw myself out the plane with no chute.
And now I do a job I love that doesn't mean surrendering my dignity/beliefs and leaves me the time to rehearse like a demon and watch movies all day long.
That's not me saying I'm any better, because at the end of the day who the hell am I?
I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to display an obvious unhappiness with the status-quo and express a desire to be an actor, yet to do nothing with that and to buy new ties for your new job.
You think it makes it ok because you'll get to "act" to roomfuls of business people that won't remember your name when they break for catered sandwiches and sneak out for a fag, that doing that will somehow substitute for doing it for money in front of an audience? That sounds as phony as "Women, you're all a bunch of *&%@ing witches".
You won't be an actor making his bills by working, you'll be another suit who traded his heart for IKEA ready-packed furniture and pretending it's what he wanted all along and anyway, there's such a high unemployment rate for actors and very few make it so at least this way you can manage to paythebillsnfnaiawnfaiwfkvkbrrh.....
> Meh. This is a moral dilemma for me. I mean, am I turning into
> something I don't want to be? I don't think so; like I say, I've
> always had a strong element of "wanting to do well in
> society", as well as an interest in being part of a healthy
> society.
----
Seriously though, cheap jibes at being a wagewhore aside, if you really do have a notion of "wanting to do well in society" then who gives a crap what anybody thinks, lest of all the memories of a dead comedian who makes you laugh.
What I would say though is to consider what it is you want to be.
You say you want to be a full-time actor making a decent living doing something you love. And that's fantastic, I honestly hope it comes (you've worked hard enough at it).
Buuuuut (and there's always a but with Goaty) if you take this job then I personally think you're kissing that opportunity away.
You'll be a marketing person who wants to be an actor, instead of an actor who's merely sitting the down-time out in an office.
It's a trade off the way I see it.
You'll have increased money, sure, but increased responsibility and more demands on your time.
You'll slowly start to not find time for reheasals/auditions etc until one day you wake up at 40 with a nice wife and a nice house and a nice car and a nice lawnmower and nice neighbours. You'll have nice dinner parties and buy nice furniture and go nice places on holiday. You'll go to a nice office with nice people and have a nice day.
And there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, if that's going to fulfill you. Millions of people do/are like that and coast through life with very little friction.
But if you don't think that's you, and you do it to be comfortable then that's the biggest crime you can ever commit - to trade dreams and aspirations for comfort and nice things.
You say you're fuelled with rage at the world, yet it's an impotent rage because at the end of the day you don't do anything about it.
Don't take that as a criticism, it's not mate - you know me better than that, I only say what I see without an agenda.
To vent fury at things but to settle for surrounding yourself with nice things to block out that innner voice is to suffocate what makes you different. You've spleened against the "crowd" often, as have I, so to sink into that life either means it's horseshit posturing or that you don't believe in your own abilities enough to hold your nose and step off the high board.
Look at my job with CPL. Despite my attitude and general non-interest, I got 2 rises in the space of a year with increased responsibility. This is despite telling my boss that I really didn't enjoy it and couldn't be bothered with it. I could've sat there for another 30yrs surfing the internet and writing my diatribes against drones.
But I couldn't do it, I walked away. Took a good look at myself and threw myself out the plane with no chute.
And now I do a job I love that doesn't mean surrendering my dignity/beliefs and leaves me the time to rehearse like a demon and watch movies all day long.
That's not me saying I'm any better, because at the end of the day who the hell am I?
I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to display an obvious unhappiness with the status-quo and express a desire to be an actor, yet to do nothing with that and to buy new ties for your new job.
You think it makes it ok because you'll get to "act" to roomfuls of business people that won't remember your name when they break for catered sandwiches and sneak out for a fag, that doing that will somehow substitute for doing it for money in front of an audience? That sounds as phony as "Women, you're all a bunch of *&%@ing witches".
You won't be an actor making his bills by working, you'll be another suit who traded his heart for IKEA ready-packed furniture and pretending it's what he wanted all along and anyway, there's such a high unemployment rate for actors and very few make it so at least this way you can manage to paythebillsnfnaiawnfaiwfkvkbrrh.....
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