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Hey,
Im learning C++ at the moment - slowly getting my way through it and building console applications that revolve around math rather than helping a user to do something (Other than turning celcius into fahrenheit). I used to program in VB, until I realised it was utterly pointless and I decided to move onto delphi but didn't really get stuck into it, both of these languages enabled me to design applications for windows which I liked and enjoyed doing - but how do I do this with C++? I know there is Visual C++ but that looks a bit too confusing.
Is there any other way?
Thanks,
James
Im learning C++ at the moment - slowly getting my way through it and building console applications that revolve around math rather than helping a user to do something (Other than turning celcius into fahrenheit). I used to program in VB, until I realised it was utterly pointless and I decided to move onto delphi but didn't really get stuck into it, both of these languages enabled me to design applications for windows which I liked and enjoyed doing - but how do I do this with C++? I know there is Visual C++ but that looks a bit too confusing.
Is there any other way?
Thanks,
James
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>Unessacery use of insults for someone who was just asking a simple
> question.
I always unnecessarily insult peeps, so sorry.
But I am getting tired of people (often as old or older than me) going on for an easy end all way to make programs without even doing the basics and just getting bored by them (the basics).
I may not be brilliant at program, but atleast I am willing to wait for a while to learn the basics and go on to learn other stuff. Most of your windows users by general just because they used VB 6 or something think they'll be able to do amazing things with c, cpp and c# etc. It annoys me...
> question.
I always unnecessarily insult peeps, so sorry.
But I am getting tired of people (often as old or older than me) going on for an easy end all way to make programs without even doing the basics and just getting bored by them (the basics).
I may not be brilliant at program, but atleast I am willing to wait for a while to learn the basics and go on to learn other stuff. Most of your windows users by general just because they used VB 6 or something think they'll be able to do amazing things with c, cpp and c# etc. It annoys me...
gamesfreak wrote:
> Socksy wrote:
> FOOL!!!
> Idiots.
>
> Unessacery use of insults for someone who was just asking a simple
> question.
Jeez, lighten up.
> Socksy wrote:
> FOOL!!!
> Idiots.
>
> Unessacery use of insults for someone who was just asking a simple
> question.
Jeez, lighten up.
Socksy wrote:
It annoys me...
Then chill out, take some drugs and dole out advice in a condescending manner.
It annoys me...
Then chill out, take some drugs and dole out advice in a condescending manner.
Meh.
I created a "useful" app as you say with cocoa and java with the cocoa documentation. As I know none of you part from OS X users will be able to run it I can't be bothered to upload it or anything.
But using the basics can mean that you eventually learn all the more complicated stuff and it does help.
For now I would recommend Visaj as it is a gui builder that is written in pure java and is quite simple to adapt to certain things. Not to beginners though as it costs money... There is a free trial though. [URL]http://www.ist.co.uk/visaj/index.html[/URL] .
I created a "useful" app as you say with cocoa and java with the cocoa documentation. As I know none of you part from OS X users will be able to run it I can't be bothered to upload it or anything.
But using the basics can mean that you eventually learn all the more complicated stuff and it does help.
For now I would recommend Visaj as it is a gui builder that is written in pure java and is quite simple to adapt to certain things. Not to beginners though as it costs money... There is a free trial though. [URL]http://www.ist.co.uk/visaj/index.html[/URL] .
lcarus wrote:
> Socksy wrote:
> It annoys me...
>
> Then chill out, take some drugs
I'm twelve.
> and dole out advice in a
> condescending manner.
Any way it is mostly the stupid ignorant people that own ps2s and windows that have been getting at my nerves recently.
> Socksy wrote:
> It annoys me...
>
> Then chill out, take some drugs
I'm twelve.
> and dole out advice in a
> condescending manner.
Any way it is mostly the stupid ignorant people that own ps2s and windows that have been getting at my nerves recently.
No upload it, I'll be able to run it.
Socksy wrote:
> Then chill out, take some drugs
> I'm twelve
Again, I was kidding. Sheesh.
> Any way it is mostly the stupid ignorant people that own ps2s and
> windows that have been getting at my nerves recently.
Hmm, I own them both. Apparently I'm stupid and ignorant then? x2?
> Then chill out, take some drugs
> I'm twelve
Again, I was kidding. Sheesh.
> Any way it is mostly the stupid ignorant people that own ps2s and
> windows that have been getting at my nerves recently.
Hmm, I own them both. Apparently I'm stupid and ignorant then? x2?
Socksy wrote:
> But I am getting tired of people (often as old or older than me)
> going on for an easy end all way to make programs without even doing
> the basics and just getting bored by them (the basics).
You know, there are some things that people need to learn on their own. And it doesn't matter how much you tell them the "correct" way, they still need to find it out for themselves. Calling people fools or idiots usually only has the effect of entrenching them in their current view/ideas.
Anyway. its a fact of life these days that there are many languages & programs that allows people to achieve what they want without having a deeper understanding of the inner workings of what they are doing. Personally I don't have a problem with this, the majority of languages & tools these days are created with this aim.
"learning the basics" is just a matter of perspective too. Java is a high level languages that often obscures some quite fundamental things, should somebody call you a fool or an idiot for not using a lower level language and "learning the basics"?
So try not to be too upset if people don't want to do things your way. ;)
> But I am getting tired of people (often as old or older than me)
> going on for an easy end all way to make programs without even doing
> the basics and just getting bored by them (the basics).
You know, there are some things that people need to learn on their own. And it doesn't matter how much you tell them the "correct" way, they still need to find it out for themselves. Calling people fools or idiots usually only has the effect of entrenching them in their current view/ideas.
Anyway. its a fact of life these days that there are many languages & programs that allows people to achieve what they want without having a deeper understanding of the inner workings of what they are doing. Personally I don't have a problem with this, the majority of languages & tools these days are created with this aim.
"learning the basics" is just a matter of perspective too. Java is a high level languages that often obscures some quite fundamental things, should somebody call you a fool or an idiot for not using a lower level language and "learning the basics"?
So try not to be too upset if people don't want to do things your way. ;)
lcarus wrote:
> Jeez, lighten up.
I know it sounded harsh, but like Garin has just said below, it kind of puts a dampner on a person who is willing to learn.
> Jeez, lighten up.
I know it sounded harsh, but like Garin has just said below, it kind of puts a dampner on a person who is willing to learn.
Socksy when was the last time you smelt fresh air or has your head been up your own ass for too long you have forgot what it smells like?
People try and do things there own ways, I am trying to learn C++ - and I am failing, I don't have enough time and it takes a lot for me to sit down for 30 minutes a night and put my mind to something that I find difficult.
Don't go insulting people - I just don't have the same level of understanding for stuff like this like you do.
People try and do things there own ways, I am trying to learn C++ - and I am failing, I don't have enough time and it takes a lot for me to sit down for 30 minutes a night and put my mind to something that I find difficult.
Don't go insulting people - I just don't have the same level of understanding for stuff like this like you do.
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