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Sat 15/01/05 at 12:13
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Afternoon All

Not been about for a bit as things have gone a little crazy here at my end, especially on the freelancing front.

After spending a short period out of work I did a couple of private jobs to tide me over which has unexpectedly generated a lot of future work, some of it on a large scale. I've now landed a new job for a web development agency in Banbury which has reduced the amount of free time I have for private work but I don't want to turn any of it down, as obviously there's a lot of money to be made.

I've got 2 large jobs coming up in the next couple of months. One is an e-commerce fashion store for a private designer in Oxfordshire, the other is on the scale of e-Bay with a similar process. DOn;t want to give too much away at the moment...

As most of you know, my back end skills are fairly limited, so what I'm looking for is potential coders (PHP, MySQL) with experience of secure ordering, personalisation, account management (B2B, CRM and CMS) and e-commerce who are looking to expand their portfolios with some high profile work.

Obviously there is money involved, potentially quite a lot for the right people, but my main aim is to give those of you out there a chance to demonstrate your skills in a proper commercial environment.

If any one is intersted, either drop a reply in here or email me at:

tyla [at] digital-prozac .co.uk
Sat 15/01/05 at 14:05
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Mac mini wrote:
> Having said that though, if a job "Is on the scale of ebay"
> you do need to hire out support programmers to help you out. But not
> to do the things you don't know

Not a case of "not knowing", more of a case of "lack of specialisation". I could do it all myself, but;

a) Lack of time
b) would probably double the length of the project
c) I really hate back end (too much time working with .NET has scared me away)
d) I'd like to give other the opportunity of demonstrating their skills.

The eventual aim is a long term partnership with someone. I've got another designer at last, who's work I like and who works very well and I already have a C#/.NET programmer who I've worked with for the last 5 years, I'm just lacking in people more focused on the open source end.

Doing it this way enables me to focus more on what I do best as well as securing more work, project management and all the nitty gritty stuff like chasing clients etc. (There's also the joys of tax returns etc)

I already work 48+ hours a week (6am - 8pm inc travel) for one design agency and with a 2 year old at home, I'd like to have some time to spend with him instead of being glued to a PC 24/7 (I'm sure the wife would appreciate it too!;).

I've worked on project on a greater scale of e-bay previously. Managing something like that is easy, even the planning and functionality is simple, but there's only so many hours in a week you can fit stuff in without either giving up sleep or getting certified!;)
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:46
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Having said that though, if a job "Is on the scale of ebay" you do need to hire out support programmers to help you out. But not to do the things you don't know
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:44
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Tyla wrote:
> Mac mini wrote:
> So to summarise, you're hired to do a job you can't handle, and need
> help from amateurs. In return, we can have a 2% cut of your salary.
> Uh-huh.
>
> Actually... WRONG.
>
> I'm looking at paying the going rate for this to anyone looking for
> the work. It's more of a case of you scratch my back and I'll scratch
> yours. Some of the jobs, I'm looking at a 50/50 split on the profits,
> so in the case of the -Bay job, my chosen programmer would
> potentially make up to £10k on this job, though still in
> planning and probably wont start until Q3/2005.

What do you mean by "some"? THere are onlt a couple of jobs as I recall.
>
> It's got nothing to do with not being able to handle the work, more
> of a case of no time to fit it all in.
>

Yeah, but the basis is that programmers are hired based on their already acquires skillset; someone who knows what they're doing can knock a simple CRM up in a day. If someone is hired based on work they have already done, say a website, but has no knowledge of developing e-shops or whatever, it would be better to hire someone who already has the knowledge to carry out the job competently.

Having said that, with 7 years experience, you know that learning new things are part of the job; and you have two months before you actually start, plus the project time, so you can actually learn yourself.
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:37
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Mac mini wrote:
> So to summarise, you're hired to do a job you can't handle, and need
> help from amateurs. In return, we can have a 2% cut of your salary.
> Uh-huh.

Actually... WRONG.

I'm looking at paying the going rate for this to anyone looking for the work. It's more of a case of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Some of the jobs, I'm looking at a 50/50 split on the profits, so in the case of the -Bay job, my chosen programmer would potentially make up to £10k on this job, though still in planning and probably wont start until Q3/2005.

It's got nothing to do with not being able to handle the work, more of a case of no time to fit it all in.

I'm not looking for ametures either. I know of those on here already who have the skill set and the ability. This is a chance to make some cash and have a portfolio of work which wouild help anyone secure future work on their own or with an agency.

After working for 7 years now in the industry, I know how hard it can be to get in there, especially for graduates (used to employ them) so this is an opportunity for anyone who would be interested.
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:27
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Tyla wrote:

>
> Obviously there is money involved, potentially quite a lot for the
> right people, but my main aim is to give those of you out there a
> chance to demonstrate your skills in a proper commercial
> environment.

So to summarise, you're hired to do a job you can't handle, and need help from amateurs. In return, we can have a 2% cut of your salary. Uh-huh.
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:26
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monkey_man wrote:
> What does it do? You can tell us.

Ha ha, no chance... I stand to make £20k plus on this project, not going to put that at risk for anyone!
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:12
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What does it do? You can tell us.
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:09
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phi11ip wrote:
> Tyla wrote:
> the other is on the scale of e-Bay with a similar process.
>
> Let me guess, Apple are developing their new 'innovative' auction
> website? iBay?

Oddly enough, the "concept name" is i-Bay, but totally unrelated to Apple in any way what so ever!;)
Sat 15/01/05 at 13:05
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Tyla wrote:
> the other is on the scale of e-Bay with a similar process.

Let me guess, Apple are developing their new 'innovative' auction website? iBay?
Sat 15/01/05 at 12:37
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Same here - too busy! Plus I don't know enough about secure ordering and eCommerce, although that's something I'll be boning up on very shortly. Hur.

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