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Has been pulled from the WWE roster and won't be appearing at house shows or Smackdown in the immediate future. WWE management has told Billy to 'get his stuff together' and then they will sit down ad hopefully resolve their issues with each other. Gunn has reportedly had a very bad attitude backstage since his return (PWInsider) and PWTorch has reported an incident involving Gunn missing a flight which WWE management considered 'the last straw'. Gunn has also been reported as talking to TNA officials on several ocassions.
My personal opinion? Expect a release soon...
My personal opinion? Expect a release soon...
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lalakersrule wrote:
> I lost what little respect i had for Bob Holly when he decided to kick
> the crap out of the trainee Matt on Tough Enough. Can't do it to the
> guys on the roster so he has to beat up a kid that's learning
True, but I do agree with the point he was trying to make. The kids getting through Tough Enough have paid no dues and when Bob was training to be a wrestler, all the trainers would routinely pummel the crap out of their students to see if they had the drive and desire to gut it out and make it through. If we still had trainers with that old school mentality, Brock Lesnar would have probably quit a lot sooner, for example.
> I lost what little respect i had for Bob Holly when he decided to kick
> the crap out of the trainee Matt on Tough Enough. Can't do it to the
> guys on the roster so he has to beat up a kid that's learning
True, but I do agree with the point he was trying to make. The kids getting through Tough Enough have paid no dues and when Bob was training to be a wrestler, all the trainers would routinely pummel the crap out of their students to see if they had the drive and desire to gut it out and make it through. If we still had trainers with that old school mentality, Brock Lesnar would have probably quit a lot sooner, for example.
maybe so, but i'm not sure if i like that mentality. just because things were brutal 20 years ago doesn't mean they still have to be. the business has changed, the focus has changed and if the actual trainers of Tough Enough don't see fit to pummel the students, i fail to see why anyone else should.
if the students botch a move, Bill DeMott is right on them, yelling at them and locking them in a hold of some kind and this does the job just fine, there really was no need to go so far with it. As much as i understand and value the respect aspect of any locker room, Holly DID come off looking like a bit of a plank.
the industry has moved on, attitudes need to catch up.
if the students botch a move, Bill DeMott is right on them, yelling at them and locking them in a hold of some kind and this does the job just fine, there really was no need to go so far with it. As much as i understand and value the respect aspect of any locker room, Holly DID come off looking like a bit of a plank.
the industry has moved on, attitudes need to catch up.
thanks for saving me the time with a reply VM, said what i was going to say
no worries :)
Has you all said, let him get released, meh.
Bah, I was disgusted with what Bob did, there really was no need. But hey, Tough Enough 4 will be starting soon! Any of you see the videos?
Bah, I was disgusted with what Bob did, there really was no need. But hey, Tough Enough 4 will be starting soon! Any of you see the videos?
Very_Metal wrote:
> maybe so, but i'm not sure if i like that mentality. just because
> things were brutal 20 years ago doesn't mean they still have to be.
> the business has changed, the focus has changed and if the actual
> trainers of Tough Enough don't see fit to pummel the students, i fail
> to see why anyone else should.
> if the students botch a move, Bill DeMott is right on them, yelling
> at them and locking them in a hold of some kind and this does the job
> just fine, there really was no need to go so far with it. As much as
> i understand and value the respect aspect of any locker room, Holly
> DID come off looking like a bit of a plank.
>
> the industry has moved on, attitudes need to catch up.
As long as there are guys, who these trainees will be working with, who have an 'old-school-attitude' competing in the ring, who beliebve that this is what training is all about, then guys who come up without, what they see as, paying their dues, then these 'new-school guys' won't be given any respect. End result, the old stagers refusing to sell for or job to the youngsters because they haven't paid their dues. I just personally think it's better for every young guy coming up to pay their dues now, rather than later, when it will only hurt them if their opponent doesn't respect them.
> maybe so, but i'm not sure if i like that mentality. just because
> things were brutal 20 years ago doesn't mean they still have to be.
> the business has changed, the focus has changed and if the actual
> trainers of Tough Enough don't see fit to pummel the students, i fail
> to see why anyone else should.
> if the students botch a move, Bill DeMott is right on them, yelling
> at them and locking them in a hold of some kind and this does the job
> just fine, there really was no need to go so far with it. As much as
> i understand and value the respect aspect of any locker room, Holly
> DID come off looking like a bit of a plank.
>
> the industry has moved on, attitudes need to catch up.
As long as there are guys, who these trainees will be working with, who have an 'old-school-attitude' competing in the ring, who beliebve that this is what training is all about, then guys who come up without, what they see as, paying their dues, then these 'new-school guys' won't be given any respect. End result, the old stagers refusing to sell for or job to the youngsters because they haven't paid their dues. I just personally think it's better for every young guy coming up to pay their dues now, rather than later, when it will only hurt them if their opponent doesn't respect them.
sure, but paying dues as in "working tough dark matches and being on the road for a few years with no recognition and low pay" is one thing, and i'm in support of that, but getting whaled on by a more experienced guy just becasue he can is an outrage. if there was no referee and no crowd, it'd be common assault.
i understood Hollys "justification" of it, but i still don't think it was needed. People like Mick Foley have earned FAR more respect than holly and i don't know of any instance where he's deliberately hurt someone to prove a point.
i understood Hollys "justification" of it, but i still don't think it was needed. People like Mick Foley have earned FAR more respect than holly and i don't know of any instance where he's deliberately hurt someone to prove a point.
(_B-(I) wrote:
End result, the old stagers
> refusing to sell for or job to the youngsters because they haven't
> paid their dues.
They do that anyway, dues payed or not
End result, the old stagers
> refusing to sell for or job to the youngsters because they haven't
> paid their dues.
They do that anyway, dues payed or not
Very_Metal wrote:
> People like Mick Foley have earned FAR
> more respect than holly and i don't know of any instance where he's
> deliberately hurt someone to prove a point.
Foley is the exception rather than the rule. He was a guy who was never accepted by the 'old school' anyway....
> People like Mick Foley have earned FAR
> more respect than holly and i don't know of any instance where he's
> deliberately hurt someone to prove a point.
Foley is the exception rather than the rule. He was a guy who was never accepted by the 'old school' anyway....
Ok, no release as yet, but Billy has apparently been sent to rehab!!!
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