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Is it just me or is this the most immoral thing ever (yes more so than starving kids in ethiopia going without when we've got plenty).
Its a well known fact that we are ripped off as motorists as it is, ridiculuosly high Road tax, insurance, petrol costs, OTT fines for minor offences and all and for those of you unfortunate enough to live in london the congestion charge.
Now the government starts chatting crap about road pricing. Basically for those of you who haven't heard about it, it works on the toll principle were we get charged for using roads in certain areas at certain times of the day. They propose to do this by putting chips in all vehicles and charging us via satellite. (though how incompetent they are over digital/analogue switch over i wouldn't hold my breath, but as it makes them money i am sure it will be remarkably quicker!)
Any way this is quite clearly the most ridiculous and unfair tax ever. How can it be justified? We pay for everything three times over. We pay road tax, theres your roads, factor in fines, some of the highest petrol duties in the world, and road maintanence is easily covered, Claiming it is for pollution is equally ridiculous, we pay for petrol, its not renewable so we hhave to refill. We pay for petrol in relation to how much we use it therefore we pay directly in relation to how we pollute. (especially as cars have classification bands), If i use a fuel guzzling land rover then i pay more in petrol and as a result the government has more money to repair my damage, if i drive a fuel efficient car i use less petrol and as a result pay less duties.
We've paid for the roads, we pay Road pricing as it is in the form of the amount of petrol we consume. Why should you be discriminated on fr the roads you use that youve paid for. Why should you have to pay, personally i don't give a damn that london has busy roads, its the price you pay forr living in london everyone has known it for the last 30 odd years, charging for it is moronic, you either put up with the delay or move its your choice. Its outrageous to charge for a previously free resource which has already been paid for. Ken livingstone should be beaten publicly, and blair and brown if further road pricing comes in as has been debated and suggested.
I'm sure my detractors will say "well have you got a better idea", well nothing new really. Just this idea is unbelievably harsh, discriminatory (if you are poor you will be forced off the roads) and shouldn't be implemented. If they did thewir job properly anyway we'd have decent public transport and people wouldn't mind using the public transport, but they blatantly don't want this as the more motorists there are the fatter the cash cow gets.
Personally think it would be interesting to see the scrapping of road tax, and the RISING of petrol costs per litre by a couple of p. I thought about this the other day and concluded i would probably pay about the same over the course of the year as a fairly average motorist. even if i paid a bit more it doesn't matter, at least i am paying as i consume in the amount i consume. If someone does 60000 miles a year they quite clearly do more wear and tear to the roads and polute more than your old gran who does a thousand a year as she only goes to the shops and visits ethel down the road twice a week. Call me a communist but state control over insurance wouldn't be a bad thing either, admittedly we've gone past the point of no return and couldn't make insurance a public issue but in my humble opinion state control of insurance (and who better to back it) than the government who could control the undulations better and therefore make the government completely responsible for all the costs of motoring. They can control it, they take any (reduced) profits, but if the crap hits the fan only their accountable.
Anyway i'm sure my rant is preaching to the converted but road pricing will be so bloody immoral, whoever implements it i will never vote for again
Its a well known fact that we are ripped off as motorists as it is, ridiculuosly high Road tax, insurance, petrol costs, OTT fines for minor offences and all and for those of you unfortunate enough to live in london the congestion charge.
Now the government starts chatting crap about road pricing. Basically for those of you who haven't heard about it, it works on the toll principle were we get charged for using roads in certain areas at certain times of the day. They propose to do this by putting chips in all vehicles and charging us via satellite. (though how incompetent they are over digital/analogue switch over i wouldn't hold my breath, but as it makes them money i am sure it will be remarkably quicker!)
Any way this is quite clearly the most ridiculous and unfair tax ever. How can it be justified? We pay for everything three times over. We pay road tax, theres your roads, factor in fines, some of the highest petrol duties in the world, and road maintanence is easily covered, Claiming it is for pollution is equally ridiculous, we pay for petrol, its not renewable so we hhave to refill. We pay for petrol in relation to how much we use it therefore we pay directly in relation to how we pollute. (especially as cars have classification bands), If i use a fuel guzzling land rover then i pay more in petrol and as a result the government has more money to repair my damage, if i drive a fuel efficient car i use less petrol and as a result pay less duties.
We've paid for the roads, we pay Road pricing as it is in the form of the amount of petrol we consume. Why should you be discriminated on fr the roads you use that youve paid for. Why should you have to pay, personally i don't give a damn that london has busy roads, its the price you pay forr living in london everyone has known it for the last 30 odd years, charging for it is moronic, you either put up with the delay or move its your choice. Its outrageous to charge for a previously free resource which has already been paid for. Ken livingstone should be beaten publicly, and blair and brown if further road pricing comes in as has been debated and suggested.
I'm sure my detractors will say "well have you got a better idea", well nothing new really. Just this idea is unbelievably harsh, discriminatory (if you are poor you will be forced off the roads) and shouldn't be implemented. If they did thewir job properly anyway we'd have decent public transport and people wouldn't mind using the public transport, but they blatantly don't want this as the more motorists there are the fatter the cash cow gets.
Personally think it would be interesting to see the scrapping of road tax, and the RISING of petrol costs per litre by a couple of p. I thought about this the other day and concluded i would probably pay about the same over the course of the year as a fairly average motorist. even if i paid a bit more it doesn't matter, at least i am paying as i consume in the amount i consume. If someone does 60000 miles a year they quite clearly do more wear and tear to the roads and polute more than your old gran who does a thousand a year as she only goes to the shops and visits ethel down the road twice a week. Call me a communist but state control over insurance wouldn't be a bad thing either, admittedly we've gone past the point of no return and couldn't make insurance a public issue but in my humble opinion state control of insurance (and who better to back it) than the government who could control the undulations better and therefore make the government completely responsible for all the costs of motoring. They can control it, they take any (reduced) profits, but if the crap hits the fan only their accountable.
Anyway i'm sure my rant is preaching to the converted but road pricing will be so bloody immoral, whoever implements it i will never vote for again
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What is complete bull plop, is that a mate of mine has a 1.1 car, he pays about £100 a year road tax. I have a 1.6 car, and I pay nearly £170 a year.
The cars are identical apart from the engine size and a few other things like tire width (which isn't considered by those fat cats anyway). So you're telling me that my car does £70 more damage to the roads per year? Absolute crap! It might do slightly more damage to the air, in the form of pollution, but this is not called the pollution tax, it's called the road tax!
Bunch of ass.
The cars are identical apart from the engine size and a few other things like tire width (which isn't considered by those fat cats anyway). So you're telling me that my car does £70 more damage to the roads per year? Absolute crap! It might do slightly more damage to the air, in the form of pollution, but this is not called the pollution tax, it's called the road tax!
Bunch of ass.
Well, even if they do agree to it (however much Satan is -or isn't- envolved), with all the satelite technology and 'chipping' they plan to introduce, it'd have to take a bloody long time before it's ALL up-and-running!
It's gonna taken them long enough to make an initial descision over this idea; let alone bringing it into practice.
I think it's safe to say that, by the time they do get this system going - IF, they ever do, of course - by then, we'll all be too old to care about anything anymore and our pensions should be healthy enough to cater for it.
;)
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On a more serious note, however, what happened to that intruiging idea of variations in the Road Tax costs?
Where, for example, people proven to use their cars more often and do many more miles on the annual clock would end up paying more on Tax than someone who only uses their car for 'odds-and-sodds'?
Is this the same idea? Only, with bells, whistles and all-sorts strung on the ends?
Or, was that idea just too good for the money-milking capabillities of our over-crowded, multi-national country?
It's gonna taken them long enough to make an initial descision over this idea; let alone bringing it into practice.
I think it's safe to say that, by the time they do get this system going - IF, they ever do, of course - by then, we'll all be too old to care about anything anymore and our pensions should be healthy enough to cater for it.
;)
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On a more serious note, however, what happened to that intruiging idea of variations in the Road Tax costs?
Where, for example, people proven to use their cars more often and do many more miles on the annual clock would end up paying more on Tax than someone who only uses their car for 'odds-and-sodds'?
Is this the same idea? Only, with bells, whistles and all-sorts strung on the ends?
Or, was that idea just too good for the money-milking capabillities of our over-crowded, multi-national country?
Trish wrote:
> That does sound like a daft idea.
true that, if they could actually justify it then i wouldn't mind, its just the way they put up some crap excuse about pollution then mumble that they are the elected government and we elected them cos they know best.
> That does sound like a daft idea.
true that, if they could actually justify it then i wouldn't mind, its just the way they put up some crap excuse about pollution then mumble that they are the elected government and we elected them cos they know best.
The whole thing is a racket.
That does sound like a daft idea.
Is it just me or is this the most immoral thing ever (yes more so than starving kids in ethiopia going without when we've got plenty).
Its a well known fact that we are ripped off as motorists as it is, ridiculuosly high Road tax, insurance, petrol costs, OTT fines for minor offences and all and for those of you unfortunate enough to live in london the congestion charge.
Now the government starts chatting crap about road pricing. Basically for those of you who haven't heard about it, it works on the toll principle were we get charged for using roads in certain areas at certain times of the day. They propose to do this by putting chips in all vehicles and charging us via satellite. (though how incompetent they are over digital/analogue switch over i wouldn't hold my breath, but as it makes them money i am sure it will be remarkably quicker!)
Any way this is quite clearly the most ridiculous and unfair tax ever. How can it be justified? We pay for everything three times over. We pay road tax, theres your roads, factor in fines, some of the highest petrol duties in the world, and road maintanence is easily covered, Claiming it is for pollution is equally ridiculous, we pay for petrol, its not renewable so we hhave to refill. We pay for petrol in relation to how much we use it therefore we pay directly in relation to how we pollute. (especially as cars have classification bands), If i use a fuel guzzling land rover then i pay more in petrol and as a result the government has more money to repair my damage, if i drive a fuel efficient car i use less petrol and as a result pay less duties.
We've paid for the roads, we pay Road pricing as it is in the form of the amount of petrol we consume. Why should you be discriminated on fr the roads you use that youve paid for. Why should you have to pay, personally i don't give a damn that london has busy roads, its the price you pay forr living in london everyone has known it for the last 30 odd years, charging for it is moronic, you either put up with the delay or move its your choice. Its outrageous to charge for a previously free resource which has already been paid for. Ken livingstone should be beaten publicly, and blair and brown if further road pricing comes in as has been debated and suggested.
I'm sure my detractors will say "well have you got a better idea", well nothing new really. Just this idea is unbelievably harsh, discriminatory (if you are poor you will be forced off the roads) and shouldn't be implemented. If they did thewir job properly anyway we'd have decent public transport and people wouldn't mind using the public transport, but they blatantly don't want this as the more motorists there are the fatter the cash cow gets.
Personally think it would be interesting to see the scrapping of road tax, and the RISING of petrol costs per litre by a couple of p. I thought about this the other day and concluded i would probably pay about the same over the course of the year as a fairly average motorist. even if i paid a bit more it doesn't matter, at least i am paying as i consume in the amount i consume. If someone does 60000 miles a year they quite clearly do more wear and tear to the roads and polute more than your old gran who does a thousand a year as she only goes to the shops and visits ethel down the road twice a week. Call me a communist but state control over insurance wouldn't be a bad thing either, admittedly we've gone past the point of no return and couldn't make insurance a public issue but in my humble opinion state control of insurance (and who better to back it) than the government who could control the undulations better and therefore make the government completely responsible for all the costs of motoring. They can control it, they take any (reduced) profits, but if the crap hits the fan only their accountable.
Anyway i'm sure my rant is preaching to the converted but road pricing will be so bloody immoral, whoever implements it i will never vote for again
Its a well known fact that we are ripped off as motorists as it is, ridiculuosly high Road tax, insurance, petrol costs, OTT fines for minor offences and all and for those of you unfortunate enough to live in london the congestion charge.
Now the government starts chatting crap about road pricing. Basically for those of you who haven't heard about it, it works on the toll principle were we get charged for using roads in certain areas at certain times of the day. They propose to do this by putting chips in all vehicles and charging us via satellite. (though how incompetent they are over digital/analogue switch over i wouldn't hold my breath, but as it makes them money i am sure it will be remarkably quicker!)
Any way this is quite clearly the most ridiculous and unfair tax ever. How can it be justified? We pay for everything three times over. We pay road tax, theres your roads, factor in fines, some of the highest petrol duties in the world, and road maintanence is easily covered, Claiming it is for pollution is equally ridiculous, we pay for petrol, its not renewable so we hhave to refill. We pay for petrol in relation to how much we use it therefore we pay directly in relation to how we pollute. (especially as cars have classification bands), If i use a fuel guzzling land rover then i pay more in petrol and as a result the government has more money to repair my damage, if i drive a fuel efficient car i use less petrol and as a result pay less duties.
We've paid for the roads, we pay Road pricing as it is in the form of the amount of petrol we consume. Why should you be discriminated on fr the roads you use that youve paid for. Why should you have to pay, personally i don't give a damn that london has busy roads, its the price you pay forr living in london everyone has known it for the last 30 odd years, charging for it is moronic, you either put up with the delay or move its your choice. Its outrageous to charge for a previously free resource which has already been paid for. Ken livingstone should be beaten publicly, and blair and brown if further road pricing comes in as has been debated and suggested.
I'm sure my detractors will say "well have you got a better idea", well nothing new really. Just this idea is unbelievably harsh, discriminatory (if you are poor you will be forced off the roads) and shouldn't be implemented. If they did thewir job properly anyway we'd have decent public transport and people wouldn't mind using the public transport, but they blatantly don't want this as the more motorists there are the fatter the cash cow gets.
Personally think it would be interesting to see the scrapping of road tax, and the RISING of petrol costs per litre by a couple of p. I thought about this the other day and concluded i would probably pay about the same over the course of the year as a fairly average motorist. even if i paid a bit more it doesn't matter, at least i am paying as i consume in the amount i consume. If someone does 60000 miles a year they quite clearly do more wear and tear to the roads and polute more than your old gran who does a thousand a year as she only goes to the shops and visits ethel down the road twice a week. Call me a communist but state control over insurance wouldn't be a bad thing either, admittedly we've gone past the point of no return and couldn't make insurance a public issue but in my humble opinion state control of insurance (and who better to back it) than the government who could control the undulations better and therefore make the government completely responsible for all the costs of motoring. They can control it, they take any (reduced) profits, but if the crap hits the fan only their accountable.
Anyway i'm sure my rant is preaching to the converted but road pricing will be so bloody immoral, whoever implements it i will never vote for again
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