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Okay, moving on from yesterday's topic about Return of the Jedi, there is a similar problem that comes up in Episode V.
When the Emperor commands Lord Vader to give him a bell, the actor has now changed to the Emperor from Episodes I, II, VI and probably III, Ian McDiarmid (not 100% sure I've got the spelling right here, but its not important right now).
The first actor who played the Emperor has been removed, and although I was shocked and annoyed at first, I actually think this is a good idea. Its not just tying things up with the prequels, but with Episode VI, and that I can happily forgive. What I *was* annoyed about though was the extra line they've added for this new Emperor actor.
Basically, the conversation is largely unchanged, only the actor's face is different, and that's fine, but one line, clearly added by George Lucas, goes something like this:
"Hello audience. Just to check, you're really, really stupid yes? Good. Now, you know Anakin, A, N, A, K, I, N, from the original movies? You know he's got the same surname (last name) as Luke? Well, you'll never guess what. They might be related! Luke is the offspring (kiddo) of Anakin! Bet you weren't expecting that! What's that you say? You might have guessed? Well, Vader didn't, look... Vader, do you believe me?"
"Erm, well sir, I'm not actually sure, this uniform actually constricts the blood flow to my brain, so I'm not really thinking straight..."
"Search your feelings Lord Vader, you know it to be true. Come on audience, how about a little participation. How about we all tell Lord Vader who Luke is... On the count of three?"
Anyway, I think I may have exaggerated that a little, and brought it a bit past one line, but you get the picture.
However...
I've watched that bit about four times now, just to get used to it, and make sure I wasn't just reacting badly to change in a sort of "That's not how my biscuit is normally arranged next to my tea" kind of way, and I've actually got used to it. The line isn't necessary, but its over fairly quickly, and if it helps out those people who've only watched the prequels, then I guess its fair enough.
The movie, as my profile says, is still my favourite of all time, and since it only lasts for a few seconds, and doesn't do any real harm, I can honestly say that I think this particular change actually helps the movie.
Don't get me started on Boba Fett's accent though... just because he's a clone of Jango now doesn't mean he has to have the same completely unthreatening accent. I mean no offence to the New Zealand accent, its fine, but it just doesn't have the menace that the original Fett accent used to have. Who says Fett didn't spend 20 years in a population where the accent rubbed off on him. It seemed unnecessary to change his accent this way, but again, as above, it doesn't really harm things too seriously. Okay, so I did get started on it, but anyway...
Great movie, unexpected changes, but they will seem okay given time. I hope.
When the Emperor commands Lord Vader to give him a bell, the actor has now changed to the Emperor from Episodes I, II, VI and probably III, Ian McDiarmid (not 100% sure I've got the spelling right here, but its not important right now).
The first actor who played the Emperor has been removed, and although I was shocked and annoyed at first, I actually think this is a good idea. Its not just tying things up with the prequels, but with Episode VI, and that I can happily forgive. What I *was* annoyed about though was the extra line they've added for this new Emperor actor.
Basically, the conversation is largely unchanged, only the actor's face is different, and that's fine, but one line, clearly added by George Lucas, goes something like this:
"Hello audience. Just to check, you're really, really stupid yes? Good. Now, you know Anakin, A, N, A, K, I, N, from the original movies? You know he's got the same surname (last name) as Luke? Well, you'll never guess what. They might be related! Luke is the offspring (kiddo) of Anakin! Bet you weren't expecting that! What's that you say? You might have guessed? Well, Vader didn't, look... Vader, do you believe me?"
"Erm, well sir, I'm not actually sure, this uniform actually constricts the blood flow to my brain, so I'm not really thinking straight..."
"Search your feelings Lord Vader, you know it to be true. Come on audience, how about a little participation. How about we all tell Lord Vader who Luke is... On the count of three?"
Anyway, I think I may have exaggerated that a little, and brought it a bit past one line, but you get the picture.
However...
I've watched that bit about four times now, just to get used to it, and make sure I wasn't just reacting badly to change in a sort of "That's not how my biscuit is normally arranged next to my tea" kind of way, and I've actually got used to it. The line isn't necessary, but its over fairly quickly, and if it helps out those people who've only watched the prequels, then I guess its fair enough.
The movie, as my profile says, is still my favourite of all time, and since it only lasts for a few seconds, and doesn't do any real harm, I can honestly say that I think this particular change actually helps the movie.
Don't get me started on Boba Fett's accent though... just because he's a clone of Jango now doesn't mean he has to have the same completely unthreatening accent. I mean no offence to the New Zealand accent, its fine, but it just doesn't have the menace that the original Fett accent used to have. Who says Fett didn't spend 20 years in a population where the accent rubbed off on him. It seemed unnecessary to change his accent this way, but again, as above, it doesn't really harm things too seriously. Okay, so I did get started on it, but anyway...
Great movie, unexpected changes, but they will seem okay given time. I hope.
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I was expecting him to say, "g'day mate" at some stage, or even call Han a flamin' mongrel.
"Where's my f**king tea woman?"
'Nice one Fred'
'Yeah!'
'Yeah!'
The re-voicing of Boba Fett has worked well.
Vader "I want him alive......No disintegrations!"
Boba "yeeeeah. Who is up for some fush n chups?"
Vader "just some mushy peas for me"
Vader "I want him alive......No disintegrations!"
Boba "yeeeeah. Who is up for some fush n chups?"
Vader "just some mushy peas for me"
Mystique wrote:
> Goatboy wrote:
>
> Boba ain't a clone, he's his son.
> ******
> Fraid' he is. Jango wanted one "untouched" clone to grow up
> as his son. It was part of his payment for allowing those tall alien
> cloning dudes clone him.
>
> *Hangs head in shame*
> I'm a nerd!
nah you just followed the films properly...oh wait yeah your a nerd
> Goatboy wrote:
>
> Boba ain't a clone, he's his son.
> ******
> Fraid' he is. Jango wanted one "untouched" clone to grow up
> as his son. It was part of his payment for allowing those tall alien
> cloning dudes clone him.
>
> *Hangs head in shame*
> I'm a nerd!
nah you just followed the films properly...oh wait yeah your a nerd
Goatboy wrote:
> Boba ain't a clone, he's his son.
******
Fraid' he is. Jango wanted one "untouched" clone to grow up as his son. It was part of his payment for allowing those tall alien cloning dudes clone him.
*Hangs head in shame*
I'm a nerd!
> Boba ain't a clone, he's his son.
******
Fraid' he is. Jango wanted one "untouched" clone to grow up as his son. It was part of his payment for allowing those tall alien cloning dudes clone him.
*Hangs head in shame*
I'm a nerd!
Which Star Wars books in particular? I've read about 80, and as far
> as I know, the stormtroopers in the original movies were never
> clones. After the clone wars, cloning was made illegal according to
> later books. Even during the days of the Empire, the stormtroopers
> were just regular guys from various planets. Why else would every
> single commanding officer be a completely different person? They are
> all different, stormtroopers and all.
That is kinda my point...all the Storm Troopers in the originl Trilogy are Humans not clones...maybe some clones are still amongst the Storm Troopers.
> as I know, the stormtroopers in the original movies were never
> clones. After the clone wars, cloning was made illegal according to
> later books. Even during the days of the Empire, the stormtroopers
> were just regular guys from various planets. Why else would every
> single commanding officer be a completely different person? They are
> all different, stormtroopers and all.
That is kinda my point...all the Storm Troopers in the originl Trilogy are Humans not clones...maybe some clones are still amongst the Storm Troopers.
ssxpro wrote:
> >
> "Hello audience. Just to check, you're really, really stupid
> yes? Good. Now, you know Anakin, A, N, A, K, I, N, from the original
> movies?
um anakin is never in the original movies[apart from the end of return of the jedi] hes in the new versions.
> >
> "Hello audience. Just to check, you're really, really stupid
> yes? Good. Now, you know Anakin, A, N, A, K, I, N, from the original
> movies?
um anakin is never in the original movies[apart from the end of return of the jedi] hes in the new versions.
Mav wrote:
> Hang on - so instead of the superbly dramatic revelation between Luke
> and Vader after their fight, we find out Luke is Vader's son in a
> conversation beforehand?
>
> How can this be a good thing?
all he says is the young rebal[luke] is the son of anakin skywalker.
Then hes says search your feeling lord vader, you will know it to be true.
now unless you have seen the film already your not going to know what he means by that, so the 'I am your father' still has the same effect as it always did.
> Hang on - so instead of the superbly dramatic revelation between Luke
> and Vader after their fight, we find out Luke is Vader's son in a
> conversation beforehand?
>
> How can this be a good thing?
all he says is the young rebal[luke] is the son of anakin skywalker.
Then hes says search your feeling lord vader, you will know it to be true.
now unless you have seen the film already your not going to know what he means by that, so the 'I am your father' still has the same effect as it always did.
Goatboy wrote:
> I've yet to hear of a son
> that sounds exactly like his dad.
> Boba ain't a clone, he's his son.
The cloners at that facility Obi-wan visited said that Jango had asked for only one thing in return - an unaltered clone for himself. The unaltered part just meant that there was no enhanced growth, like that present in the other clones who needed to mature faster. Boba is still genetically identical to Jango, just younger.
However, even being genetically identical, I don't believe that two specimens should grow up to have exactly the same accent like that. Its possible I suppose, but certainly not important enough to warrant changing Boba's voice. It could happily have been left.
As for not buying the trilogy, its obviously your choice, but can I recommend it? You've seen my criticisms of it, the alterations have annoyed me a little, but I don't think they're serious enough to spoil my enjoyment of the films. I dug out my old video of the movie today, and the difference in both picture and sound quality is just astounding. I honestly believe they are worth the money, if you can forgive the fact that a large portion probably goes to Lucas.
> I've yet to hear of a son
> that sounds exactly like his dad.
> Boba ain't a clone, he's his son.
The cloners at that facility Obi-wan visited said that Jango had asked for only one thing in return - an unaltered clone for himself. The unaltered part just meant that there was no enhanced growth, like that present in the other clones who needed to mature faster. Boba is still genetically identical to Jango, just younger.
However, even being genetically identical, I don't believe that two specimens should grow up to have exactly the same accent like that. Its possible I suppose, but certainly not important enough to warrant changing Boba's voice. It could happily have been left.
As for not buying the trilogy, its obviously your choice, but can I recommend it? You've seen my criticisms of it, the alterations have annoyed me a little, but I don't think they're serious enough to spoil my enjoyment of the films. I dug out my old video of the movie today, and the difference in both picture and sound quality is just astounding. I honestly believe they are worth the money, if you can forgive the fact that a large portion probably goes to Lucas.
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