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Before I start I just want to make it clear that I'm not intentionally trying to offend anyone.
I have two brothers that are much younger than me (4 and 6) so I am able to keep in touch with what goes on at infant school and which programmes are shown on cbeebies, and other channels of that nature, and it is not how I remember it.
For example, the nursery rhyme Baa Baa Black Sheep has been given a second verse which starts Baa Baa White Sheep. Personally, I think it's pointless but apparently some people find it offensive to sing about black sheep. I am aware that Baa Baa Black Sheep was originally a slave song but I doubt that there are any four year olds, black or white, that realise this. Nowadays it's about sheep, just sheep, just like nobody associates Ring-a-ring of roses with the black death (no doubt we'll banned from saying that soon).
One final example is Postman Pat. In the new series there is an Asian family. As far as I remember there were plenty of characters in the old series and they are just being put there for the sake of it and to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) there aren't many asian families in country side villages. Having an asian family in Eastenders makes sense though because that reflects reality. Also, the song no longer mentions Postman Pat and his black and white cat, but Postman Pat and Jess the cat. Is anyone offended by this sort of thing?
I'd like to say again that I'm not trying to be offensive but if any offence has been caused then I apologise.
Finally, this is supposed to be a serious post so don't use it as a way of laughing at me for having an overly extensive knowledge of Postman Pat. Like I said, I have younger brothers.
I have two brothers that are much younger than me (4 and 6) so I am able to keep in touch with what goes on at infant school and which programmes are shown on cbeebies, and other channels of that nature, and it is not how I remember it.
For example, the nursery rhyme Baa Baa Black Sheep has been given a second verse which starts Baa Baa White Sheep. Personally, I think it's pointless but apparently some people find it offensive to sing about black sheep. I am aware that Baa Baa Black Sheep was originally a slave song but I doubt that there are any four year olds, black or white, that realise this. Nowadays it's about sheep, just sheep, just like nobody associates Ring-a-ring of roses with the black death (no doubt we'll banned from saying that soon).
One final example is Postman Pat. In the new series there is an Asian family. As far as I remember there were plenty of characters in the old series and they are just being put there for the sake of it and to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) there aren't many asian families in country side villages. Having an asian family in Eastenders makes sense though because that reflects reality. Also, the song no longer mentions Postman Pat and his black and white cat, but Postman Pat and Jess the cat. Is anyone offended by this sort of thing?
I'd like to say again that I'm not trying to be offensive but if any offence has been caused then I apologise.
Finally, this is supposed to be a serious post so don't use it as a way of laughing at me for having an overly extensive knowledge of Postman Pat. Like I said, I have younger brothers.
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In the words of Gunnery Sargeant Hartman :
"I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on n******, k****, w*** or g*******. Here you are all equally worthless."
"I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on n******, k****, w*** or g*******. Here you are all equally worthless."
SHEEPY wrote:
> Saggy, that was brilliant.
Which post? (my last one comes from the heart and since I've posted it on the internet which one billion people have access to, I cannot see why the whole world will not live in peace after reading it. My baa baa white sheep post should be used in every school in the world.)
> Saggy, that was brilliant.
Which post? (my last one comes from the heart and since I've posted it on the internet which one billion people have access to, I cannot see why the whole world will not live in peace after reading it. My baa baa white sheep post should be used in every school in the world.)
Saggy, that was brilliant.
It may seem an obvious point but we should celebrate our differences rather than go out of our way to claim that we are "all the same". Multi-culturalism is the best bit about living and working in a big city like London.
Who actually uses an PC terms anyway?
Who actually consciously attempts to change words to keep up with the 'PC craze'?
Nobody? I thought so. It's an inflated scapegoat.
Best bit about it? Tories going 'oh, it's summat to do with Human Rights!!!!'.....when the only three defined and concrete human rights are to be not tortured, enslved or killed or some such thing - Light'll know. The rest are from our society itself.
Who actually consciously attempts to change words to keep up with the 'PC craze'?
Nobody? I thought so. It's an inflated scapegoat.
Best bit about it? Tories going 'oh, it's summat to do with Human Rights!!!!'.....when the only three defined and concrete human rights are to be not tortured, enslved or killed or some such thing - Light'll know. The rest are from our society itself.
Baa baa white sheep have you any wool please?
Yes Ms, yes Ms, three metric measures full.
One for da gansta who live in dis community, in it,
one for the elderly person who deserves respect from youngsters,
and one for the black lesbian disabled person who has been given a 100 grand a year job that they are not qualified to do but they are under represented in this area of employment,
who comes from another country.
Yes Ms, yes Ms, three metric measures full.
One for da gansta who live in dis community, in it,
one for the elderly person who deserves respect from youngsters,
and one for the black lesbian disabled person who has been given a 100 grand a year job that they are not qualified to do but they are under represented in this area of employment,
who comes from another country.
English_Bloke wrote:
> Another officer got in trouble for asking for his coffee to be “white with 2”.
What?!? That is just pathetic.
> Another officer got in trouble for asking for his coffee to be “white with 2”.
What?!? That is just pathetic.
A PC society is nothing new in itself. However, it is a very visible example of our increasing acceptance of "Positive Discrimination" into society. This is a strange beast as it seems to be telling us that two wrongs make a right. Whilst it is wrong to discriminate against someone from an ethnic minority so that they do not get a job for which they are eminently qualified, it is apparently quite correct to discriminate in their favour. I'm sure you're familiar with the "Ethnicity" forms that come with every job application these days. You know; the ones that ask you for your cultural and racial background so that they can fill a certain quota of jobs according to race, gender, or sexual orientation. Don't these things strike anyone as...well, rather offensive? I'd like to know that I got a job on my merits or, if I didn't I would rather it was because there was someone better qualified for the job. I'd be less than impressed knowing that I'd got a job solely because I was a crippled black homosexual and that fills out 3 different quota's in one.
I'm being facetious of course, but I do find it a little sad that we have to enshrine this sort of thing in law. If we have to write our ethics laws down and enforce them then we don't really have any ethics as a society. A Company can have the most small-minded bigot in the world selecting their staff and not have his attitudes addressed because as long as he fills a quota of minorities or women, then he will be considered an equal opportunities employer. Call me idealistic, but I would have thought that the whole point of laws designed to stop Racial discrimination would have concentrated on educating people about why being racist or sexist immediately marks one out as a knuckle dragging Neanderthal with little or no place in the 21st century. I wouldn't have expected it to claim that racism and sexism are on the decline purely because the figures say so. (Incidentally, I think I can claim to be completely free of sexism or racism; I care not for your racial makeup, sexual orientation, gender, or functionality of your limbs. Whoever you are, rest assured that I hold you all in equal contempt.)
As things stand we are making no effort whatsoever to reduce the causes of discrimination. What we are doing is masking most of the visible effects of picking up on language, and we are doing it in a way that is itself discriminatory. True equality cannot be forced on people (and more is the pity because I for one would love to see the discomfort of an average neighbourhood godbotherer being forced to live with and work with, for example, an Asian Les-Bi-Gay association. Now *that* would make good reality TV...), it needs to be nurtured. What we have smacks of a quick fix so that the government of the day can claim to be doing more to reduce discrimination than ever before. If there was a long term plan to educate people from school age about the evil of discrimination, and also to ensure that employers are fair and equal without having to rely on an ethnicity form, perhaps even to reform the law and it's practitioners in order to help them see women as humans rather than objects to be protected, then perhaps discrimination of any kind will be consigned to history.
I'm being facetious of course, but I do find it a little sad that we have to enshrine this sort of thing in law. If we have to write our ethics laws down and enforce them then we don't really have any ethics as a society. A Company can have the most small-minded bigot in the world selecting their staff and not have his attitudes addressed because as long as he fills a quota of minorities or women, then he will be considered an equal opportunities employer. Call me idealistic, but I would have thought that the whole point of laws designed to stop Racial discrimination would have concentrated on educating people about why being racist or sexist immediately marks one out as a knuckle dragging Neanderthal with little or no place in the 21st century. I wouldn't have expected it to claim that racism and sexism are on the decline purely because the figures say so. (Incidentally, I think I can claim to be completely free of sexism or racism; I care not for your racial makeup, sexual orientation, gender, or functionality of your limbs. Whoever you are, rest assured that I hold you all in equal contempt.)
As things stand we are making no effort whatsoever to reduce the causes of discrimination. What we are doing is masking most of the visible effects of picking up on language, and we are doing it in a way that is itself discriminatory. True equality cannot be forced on people (and more is the pity because I for one would love to see the discomfort of an average neighbourhood godbotherer being forced to live with and work with, for example, an Asian Les-Bi-Gay association. Now *that* would make good reality TV...), it needs to be nurtured. What we have smacks of a quick fix so that the government of the day can claim to be doing more to reduce discrimination than ever before. If there was a long term plan to educate people from school age about the evil of discrimination, and also to ensure that employers are fair and equal without having to rely on an ethnicity form, perhaps even to reform the law and it's practitioners in order to help them see women as humans rather than objects to be protected, then perhaps discrimination of any kind will be consigned to history.
In the job I'm what I don't like is the level of focus put on certain words. People have got into trouble for saying, “let’s get down to the nitty gritty”. Apparently this phrase refers to the black slaves sleeping in the hold of a ship. Of course, everyone knows that…
Another officer got in trouble for asking for his coffee to be “white with 2”.
It’s not the words themselves. It’s the feeling behind the words. Dumb. Crappy. Stupidity.
Another officer got in trouble for asking for his coffee to be “white with 2”.
It’s not the words themselves. It’s the feeling behind the words. Dumb. Crappy. Stupidity.
Ha ha ha! baa-baa-white-sheep!
haHAHAHAHAHA.
how screwed up and paranoid a world do we actually live in?
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
we live in a world where we are scared to mention race types in any form, for fear of being labelled racist. eventually we won't be allowed to use the terms 'male' and 'female' for fear of being sexist.
sad, sad, sad.
haHAHAHAHAHA.
how screwed up and paranoid a world do we actually live in?
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
we live in a world where we are scared to mention race types in any form, for fear of being labelled racist. eventually we won't be allowed to use the terms 'male' and 'female' for fear of being sexist.
sad, sad, sad.
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