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Wed 25/04/01 at 16:51
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"Two years after the Columbine High School massacre, the families of several victims have filed a lawsuit against a number of entertainment companies, including Nintendo of America, Atari, Sega of America, Activision, Sony Computer Entertainment, AOL Time Warner, Id Software, Virgin Interactive Media, and GT Interactive. The families are seeking $5 billion in punitive damages from a total of 25 entertainment companies. The lawsuit was filed the day before the two-year anniversary of the shootings. Several popular action games were specifically mentioned in the lawsuit, including Doom, Quake, and Redneck Rampage."


That is from another web-site.
Whilst I agree that what happened there is a tragedy, you cant pin the blame on video games anymore than you can backwards messages in music.

It's so much easier to point a finger at a movie/song/video game that it is to accept that society and maybe the parents of those two kids are to blame.
Especially in the States, were a culture of violence and access to guns is so easy.

Did you know Walmart refuse to stock albums or magazines it deems "offensive to our family image", yet you can buy machine guns, handguns and crossbows there?
Exactly.
And video games are to blame?????
Who says?

There has been so much research into music and movies influencing behaviour, and if this was the case, censors would be the most depraved animals on the face of this planet.
This argument simply does not stand up to serious examination.

You simply cannot ignore the school system of America, where violent sport is rewarded with popularity and praise (Quarterback heroes dating cheerleaders etc).
Those two kids that shot everyone, they had been bullied for years, mocked and laughed at for being different.

So, considering you can walk into a family aimed store and buy heavy weapons, they took it out the easiest and quickest way they knew.

It wasn't video games that made them kill, it was years of being bullied. Who can remember their school period? Every get bullied? Did you shoot anyone?
No.
And why not? No guns.
Cowards use a gun instead of using fists.

And Doom had nothing to do with this.

Phew, sorry to get off on a rant here, but this really, really angers me.
I play video games every day, I do not have any violent tendencies outside of the electronic world.
Neither does 99% of us.

Dont blame games or movies or books or records.
Look at everything that surrounds kids and the effect that may have 1st.
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:23
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I generally agree with you goatboy.

The children are the products of the society that brougth them up, and all their experiences. Most people will not be influenced to kill or attack others by films, computer games and least of all music.

Sometimes kids can ape the behaviour they see in cartoons or computer games, but this can only happen if the kids are not told that it is wrong.

The rating system for films and computer games, is a good way to protect children from things they should not be able to see, such as bad language, or extreme violence. At a young age the child is more responsive to images they see, and are more likely to imitate, but then it is the duty of parents to stop the child seeing things they shouldn't.

Blaming computer games or any other entertainment implies that violence should be removed from it, which is an impossible aim, as we would end up with very dull TV, film and computer games.

If all a child saw was violence, they might start to thing that was normal, and acceptable, but then children are to some extent naturally aggresive, before they learn that it is not always acceptable.

To blame computer games for killings is usually a way of sweeeping the real problem's under the carpet. The Parents should keep better control over what their children watch if they feel there are dangers.

Also the case would imply that the entertainment companies are negligent, but it is really the responibility of the censors and the parents to control what children watch.









Wed 25/04/01 at 17:16
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"everyone says it"
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TRUE:

A boy in Japan killed a class mate (who was a bully) at cut his head off and left it on the school gates, apparentely he 'unleashed' his anger on his video games but when he was no longer able to play them he took ideas from all the game he had played, this was all on Channel4 about 3 months ago and also they had him interviewed, because he is released now, he was 15 when he murdered, and when under 16 in Japan and going to prison no matter what the offence is only for a year.

The prisons in Japan were like 5star hotels.
er-no
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:11
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VenomByte said:
>FACT: You'r emore likely to be shot by the gun your >parents keep than by any other gun.

Thats what Marge Simpson said on the Simpsons to Homer!!

:-D
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:11
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This must be only in America 3...or is it 4?

Whatever it is it is stupid...they encourage homosexuality and all sorts in schools and they expect this not to happen. Bullying is a b*tch, I wasn't bullied but I know people who were and they're no better for it.

The families should look to their parenting for the answer to this sort of thing, and as if they want money to replace their children anyway, they would only spend it on crap, not donate it to school safety etc....stupid Americans.
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:11
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FACT: You're most likely to be shot by an American than by any other person.

That, my friends, explains everything.
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:10
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67% of shootings are caused by made up statistics about violence in gaming.
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:08
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Posts: 6,460
Surely you're not saying MacDonalds cause violent shootings?

Oh... actually you're not. My mistake.

FACT: Almost all shootings in america are by people who have at some point eaten a Macdonalds.

FACT: You'r emore likely to be shot by the gun your parents keep than by any other gun.
Wed 25/04/01 at 17:03
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Posts: 23,284
Exactly there is no way you can put the entire blame on video games.

FACT: Did you know there are more gun stores in U.S.A in America than Mc'Donalds!

Everytime a shooting occurs however they blame everything else but the fact anyone can buy a gun!
Wed 25/04/01 at 16:51
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Posts: 23,089
"Two years after the Columbine High School massacre, the families of several victims have filed a lawsuit against a number of entertainment companies, including Nintendo of America, Atari, Sega of America, Activision, Sony Computer Entertainment, AOL Time Warner, Id Software, Virgin Interactive Media, and GT Interactive. The families are seeking $5 billion in punitive damages from a total of 25 entertainment companies. The lawsuit was filed the day before the two-year anniversary of the shootings. Several popular action games were specifically mentioned in the lawsuit, including Doom, Quake, and Redneck Rampage."


That is from another web-site.
Whilst I agree that what happened there is a tragedy, you cant pin the blame on video games anymore than you can backwards messages in music.

It's so much easier to point a finger at a movie/song/video game that it is to accept that society and maybe the parents of those two kids are to blame.
Especially in the States, were a culture of violence and access to guns is so easy.

Did you know Walmart refuse to stock albums or magazines it deems "offensive to our family image", yet you can buy machine guns, handguns and crossbows there?
Exactly.
And video games are to blame?????
Who says?

There has been so much research into music and movies influencing behaviour, and if this was the case, censors would be the most depraved animals on the face of this planet.
This argument simply does not stand up to serious examination.

You simply cannot ignore the school system of America, where violent sport is rewarded with popularity and praise (Quarterback heroes dating cheerleaders etc).
Those two kids that shot everyone, they had been bullied for years, mocked and laughed at for being different.

So, considering you can walk into a family aimed store and buy heavy weapons, they took it out the easiest and quickest way they knew.

It wasn't video games that made them kill, it was years of being bullied. Who can remember their school period? Every get bullied? Did you shoot anyone?
No.
And why not? No guns.
Cowards use a gun instead of using fists.

And Doom had nothing to do with this.

Phew, sorry to get off on a rant here, but this really, really angers me.
I play video games every day, I do not have any violent tendencies outside of the electronic world.
Neither does 99% of us.

Dont blame games or movies or books or records.
Look at everything that surrounds kids and the effect that may have 1st.

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