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Stockholm syndrome. Being in love with your captor, famously and often happens in hostage situations, where the hostage falls begins to sympathise and have 'feelings' for those who're abusing them, and using them for whatever reason. The term is often applied to domestic violence, with women who are constantly abused by their lovers and keep returning to them. It may sound alien to most of you, but for anyone who's followed the England national team over recent years, it should be extremely relevant.
Over the last decade, what have we had? Southgate missing a penalty in Euro 96. Campbells disallowed goal against Argentina, and getting knocked out, again, on penalties in World Cup '98. Euro 2000, getting eliminated by last minute, last gasp Romanian penalty. A lucky Ronaldinho free kick took us out of World Cup 2002, and, tonight, a bent referee and a beach of a penalty spot made the Portuguese go through. Not once in the last 5 tournaments have we been knocked out by being out played or being the lesser team. Each and every time, something, somewhere has worked against us. Fair enough, a few times, we were outplayed. We were on the back foot, and not attacking. But since when did attacking football make you the better team? Look at the honours that the Germans and Italians have gained over the past. Could anyone say that Maldini is the most exciting player of any team, or that the Germans play free, flowing football? No. They do the job, get out, and, most importantly, get the win. Look at the England match tonight. We scored, defended until they scored, went and got a goal, then defended. They score in extra time, we score again. Not the most exciting of play from England, but it did what was needed.
It was an emotional roller coaster. It's a cliché, but it was. I ended up shouting at my Mother. Proper, full on, shouting. Because it was the 93rd minute and she was talking about how England could be playing better. I've had disagreements with my mum before, and over things far more petty, but never have I felt such anger and rage. Being on the edge of your seat, hands shaking, watching wave after wave of attack isn't the best time to have your mother taking about how she thinks your step-dad wanted Christiano Ronaldo to score, let me tell you.
And then, there's the people that think, as everyone supports England, it's a good idea to laugh and make comments against the team. People totally disinterested in football. People who don't appreciate the brilliance of a Cruyff turn, and what's wrong with the long ball. People who couldn';t name 5 regular England player thinking that its hilarious to make comments to wind people up. Fair enough, like Azul, if you know and love football, and you want to wind people up, then you've got far more right to than any other fool that wants to be 'alternative', and have a different opinion ever has. Football is a national obsession, I know that, you know that. If you love it, you LOVE it. If you don't like it, then leave it alone. People have high emotions and expectations on a football match, and if you've never jizzumed over a 40 yard pass, discussed Englands left sided problem or Theirry Henrys genius, then you don't deserve to make comment.
Good day.
Mattribute
Over the last decade, what have we had? Southgate missing a penalty in Euro 96. Campbells disallowed goal against Argentina, and getting knocked out, again, on penalties in World Cup '98. Euro 2000, getting eliminated by last minute, last gasp Romanian penalty. A lucky Ronaldinho free kick took us out of World Cup 2002, and, tonight, a bent referee and a beach of a penalty spot made the Portuguese go through. Not once in the last 5 tournaments have we been knocked out by being out played or being the lesser team. Each and every time, something, somewhere has worked against us. Fair enough, a few times, we were outplayed. We were on the back foot, and not attacking. But since when did attacking football make you the better team? Look at the honours that the Germans and Italians have gained over the past. Could anyone say that Maldini is the most exciting player of any team, or that the Germans play free, flowing football? No. They do the job, get out, and, most importantly, get the win. Look at the England match tonight. We scored, defended until they scored, went and got a goal, then defended. They score in extra time, we score again. Not the most exciting of play from England, but it did what was needed.
It was an emotional roller coaster. It's a cliché, but it was. I ended up shouting at my Mother. Proper, full on, shouting. Because it was the 93rd minute and she was talking about how England could be playing better. I've had disagreements with my mum before, and over things far more petty, but never have I felt such anger and rage. Being on the edge of your seat, hands shaking, watching wave after wave of attack isn't the best time to have your mother taking about how she thinks your step-dad wanted Christiano Ronaldo to score, let me tell you.
And then, there's the people that think, as everyone supports England, it's a good idea to laugh and make comments against the team. People totally disinterested in football. People who don't appreciate the brilliance of a Cruyff turn, and what's wrong with the long ball. People who couldn';t name 5 regular England player thinking that its hilarious to make comments to wind people up. Fair enough, like Azul, if you know and love football, and you want to wind people up, then you've got far more right to than any other fool that wants to be 'alternative', and have a different opinion ever has. Football is a national obsession, I know that, you know that. If you love it, you LOVE it. If you don't like it, then leave it alone. People have high emotions and expectations on a football match, and if you've never jizzumed over a 40 yard pass, discussed Englands left sided problem or Theirry Henrys genius, then you don't deserve to make comment.
Good day.
Mattribute
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Mattributé wrote:
> Fair enough. I was just trying to make a point. If you follow
> football outside of mejor tournaments and stuff, I can see why you
> have got annoyed, but you wasn't my target for abuse.
Oh no, I wasn't annoyed - I agree with you really.
I was just pointing out that you can still know your stuff, but find certain matches boring. I'm a fan of football for two things; to support my country, and to see some high quality and exciting play. Both of which I can find in international games, and the latter in high profile club games.
> Fair enough. I was just trying to make a point. If you follow
> football outside of mejor tournaments and stuff, I can see why you
> have got annoyed, but you wasn't my target for abuse.
Oh no, I wasn't annoyed - I agree with you really.
I was just pointing out that you can still know your stuff, but find certain matches boring. I'm a fan of football for two things; to support my country, and to see some high quality and exciting play. Both of which I can find in international games, and the latter in high profile club games.
Mav wrote:
> But as I do follow
> international football, I feel I know a sufficient amount to comment
> and pass opinion.
Fair enough. I was just trying to make a point. If you follow football outside of mejor tournaments and stuff, I can see why you have got annoyed, but you wasn't my target for abuse.
And, Azul, Scotland played well against the Brazilians, I must say, from what I can remember, and I cheered them on well.
I was even gutted when you got knocked out of Euro 96 :(
> But as I do follow
> international football, I feel I know a sufficient amount to comment
> and pass opinion.
Fair enough. I was just trying to make a point. If you follow football outside of mejor tournaments and stuff, I can see why you have got annoyed, but you wasn't my target for abuse.
And, Azul, Scotland played well against the Brazilians, I must say, from what I can remember, and I cheered them on well.
I was even gutted when you got knocked out of Euro 96 :(
When Scotland were playing Brazil in the World Cup of 98', I felt like this.
I swear to God, and it's clear as day - it cannot be missed - we should have won.
I don't mean should have as in "we were the better team, we deserved it". I mean should have.
One of their goals should not have been allowed. It was a shot, and it was deflected by a hand ball. And I mean deflected - it switched direction completely.
We also should have had a penalty because of another hand to ball incident.
And I don't say that out of bias. Those are the facts.
But I didn't complain much. Football is football.
Sure, we would've got through the the next round for the first time in our history, but you can't complain. What's done is done.
I swear to God, and it's clear as day - it cannot be missed - we should have won.
I don't mean should have as in "we were the better team, we deserved it". I mean should have.
One of their goals should not have been allowed. It was a shot, and it was deflected by a hand ball. And I mean deflected - it switched direction completely.
We also should have had a penalty because of another hand to ball incident.
And I don't say that out of bias. Those are the facts.
But I didn't complain much. Football is football.
Sure, we would've got through the the next round for the first time in our history, but you can't complain. What's done is done.
Mattributé wrote:
> Becaus I love the team. Well, you can apply that to anyone who claims
> to have a love for a team, and a passion for football.
Well that's fair enough.
I don't claim to have a passion (as I only enjoy international games and the club ones with world class footballers, such as when Real Madrid, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc are playing). But as I do follow international football, I feel I know a sufficient amount to comment and pass opinion.
> Becaus I love the team. Well, you can apply that to anyone who claims
> to have a love for a team, and a passion for football.
Well that's fair enough.
I don't claim to have a passion (as I only enjoy international games and the club ones with world class footballers, such as when Real Madrid, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc are playing). But as I do follow international football, I feel I know a sufficient amount to comment and pass opinion.
i know I;m blatantly pro-England, and my opinion is highly likely to be biased, but for each time we've gone out, it's never been clear cut, has it? It's always been something that happens to kill us, rather than being distinctly slaughtered.
Things continue to consipre against us, right... like Beckham missing a penalty against France? And then again against Portugal? Vassell likewise?
And giving up a 2-0 lead to the same team four years ago? Then being outplayed by a frankly rubbish Romanian team a week later, giving away a sloppy last minute penalty? And of course, terrible performances against Sweden and Nigeria in the World Cup were freakish acts of God. It's the heavens, they're against us!
No, sorry, don't buy that. Tonight's match is a bad example, but we were outplayed and lost to the better team. Ditto Brazil in the World Cup. You're seeing what you want to see.
And giving up a 2-0 lead to the same team four years ago? Then being outplayed by a frankly rubbish Romanian team a week later, giving away a sloppy last minute penalty? And of course, terrible performances against Sweden and Nigeria in the World Cup were freakish acts of God. It's the heavens, they're against us!
No, sorry, don't buy that. Tonight's match is a bad example, but we were outplayed and lost to the better team. Ditto Brazil in the World Cup. You're seeing what you want to see.
They don't understand football, which is ewhat annoys me.
they always use the arguement that 'it's nothing compared to world affairs'. Neither is you getting dumped, but does it feel that way to you?
they always use the arguement that 'it's nothing compared to world affairs'. Neither is you getting dumped, but does it feel that way to you?
The people you mention are the same f*ckers who laugh when i tell them i support Stevenage Borough - "Omg they av a teaam?? ROGL SpRus!!!"
Argh.
Argh.
Becaus I love the team. Well, you can apply that to anyone who claims to have a love for a team, and a passion for football.
And, rearding the last paragraph of my post, just look at Goatboys topic in life to see what I mean.
And, rearding the last paragraph of my post, just look at Goatboys topic in life to see what I mean.
Azul wrote:
> Hear hear, mate. And I got a mention, so yey.
> But it's true - there seems to be a lot of people commenting who've
> never watched football in their lives, and never, ever post in the
> sport forum - yet claim to be all knowing. Fools.
Yeah you're right there. It's the thing i hate most about major tournaments, all the people who have no idea what theyre on about suddenly come out of the woodwork and are suddenly experts.
I was in Sainsburys a week or two back and heard somebody saying "Beckham should be sent home for missing that penalty" I mean - come on. So tedious.
But at least they'll all crawl back into the woodwork until 2006. Guess this could be considered some consolation.
> Hear hear, mate. And I got a mention, so yey.
> But it's true - there seems to be a lot of people commenting who've
> never watched football in their lives, and never, ever post in the
> sport forum - yet claim to be all knowing. Fools.
Yeah you're right there. It's the thing i hate most about major tournaments, all the people who have no idea what theyre on about suddenly come out of the woodwork and are suddenly experts.
I was in Sainsburys a week or two back and heard somebody saying "Beckham should be sent home for missing that penalty" I mean - come on. So tedious.
But at least they'll all crawl back into the woodwork until 2006. Guess this could be considered some consolation.
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