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The generic music released nowadays.
The whole music business has, quite frankly, gone to pot.
It's times like these that I wish the music released was as it was in the 40's through late 50's.
No crap electronics to synthesise everything about a song.
No talentless bints somehow earning millions.
No fact that money was completely dominating the industry.
Good, solid, thought provoking, emotionally moving music.
You just don't get the latter anymore. Glance at the charts, and practically every song will have had the lead singer's voice modified, tweaked, pitch shifted. The 'instruments' will be electrically created (electric drum beats etc).
This post is pretty much all over the place, because I don't know really how to define why I despise the music industry right now. There's just so many little things that I really hate, and I can't get that across enough.
I'm just listening to some Frank Sinatra songs.
And they're all gold. The lyrics, the masses of talented musicians playing the instruments, and of course the voice.
It's non existant nowadays. I suppose this post has potential to be massively long.
But it's odd. I can't really be bothered to, which is strange considering it's something I feel strongly about.
The musicians themselves. There's no characters whatsoever. They're all lifeless, demanding prima donnas.
Gah, I'm going to stop here, because I myself can't really see where I'm going with this. I've just had the sudden urge to really post my thoughts on this, because it does indeed upset me somewhat that there's no real quality music being released. You could argue that it's all down to taste, but I used italics in the last bit for a reason.
It's true. The large majority of mainstream music released nowadays is completely crap. The music is not good. It really isn't.
And as I said, I'm done. The point I've poorly attempted to get across is indeed shrouded in a cloud of mutterings, but I dunno.
Meh.
***
And shock horror, a minute or so later and I feel compelled to make another point.
Towards the outro of Sinatra's version of Mack the Knife, he notes other great musicians that've done a version, and goes on to include names of the people performing (at which point when their name is mentioned, they perform a short ornament (a fancy bit)).
That's something else that's gone from the music. That touch. That something that's just so great about music. Now it's all manufactured - there's no human touch.
Bahhh. Expect some more in about 5 minutes...
The whole music business has, quite frankly, gone to pot.
It's times like these that I wish the music released was as it was in the 40's through late 50's.
No crap electronics to synthesise everything about a song.
No talentless bints somehow earning millions.
No fact that money was completely dominating the industry.
Good, solid, thought provoking, emotionally moving music.
You just don't get the latter anymore. Glance at the charts, and practically every song will have had the lead singer's voice modified, tweaked, pitch shifted. The 'instruments' will be electrically created (electric drum beats etc).
This post is pretty much all over the place, because I don't know really how to define why I despise the music industry right now. There's just so many little things that I really hate, and I can't get that across enough.
I'm just listening to some Frank Sinatra songs.
And they're all gold. The lyrics, the masses of talented musicians playing the instruments, and of course the voice.
It's non existant nowadays. I suppose this post has potential to be massively long.
But it's odd. I can't really be bothered to, which is strange considering it's something I feel strongly about.
The musicians themselves. There's no characters whatsoever. They're all lifeless, demanding prima donnas.
Gah, I'm going to stop here, because I myself can't really see where I'm going with this. I've just had the sudden urge to really post my thoughts on this, because it does indeed upset me somewhat that there's no real quality music being released. You could argue that it's all down to taste, but I used italics in the last bit for a reason.
It's true. The large majority of mainstream music released nowadays is completely crap. The music is not good. It really isn't.
And as I said, I'm done. The point I've poorly attempted to get across is indeed shrouded in a cloud of mutterings, but I dunno.
Meh.
***
And shock horror, a minute or so later and I feel compelled to make another point.
Towards the outro of Sinatra's version of Mack the Knife, he notes other great musicians that've done a version, and goes on to include names of the people performing (at which point when their name is mentioned, they perform a short ornament (a fancy bit)).
That's something else that's gone from the music. That touch. That something that's just so great about music. Now it's all manufactured - there's no human touch.
Bahhh. Expect some more in about 5 minutes...
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Elliott - Song In The Air
Cursvie - Domestica
Mars Volta - De-Loused in The Comatorium
Ta-dar
Cursvie - Domestica
Mars Volta - De-Loused in The Comatorium
Ta-dar
Metaphor.
Nice.
Nice.
There is amazing music around these days.
Very, very amazing music.
You just have to look for it under the get-rich-quick kid-nobbing pop guff that dominates the industry. Good music hasn't gone away, there's just a layer of grease on top of it.
Very, very amazing music.
You just have to look for it under the get-rich-quick kid-nobbing pop guff that dominates the industry. Good music hasn't gone away, there's just a layer of grease on top of it.
Azul wrote:
> When they're used selectively and brilliantly (like Pink Floyd) - not
> much at all.
Hah! The exact example I had in mind :-)
> When they're used selectively and brilliantly (like Pink Floyd) - not
> much at all.
Hah! The exact example I had in mind :-)
Paradox: wrote:
> non-musical boy bands like busted (who do NOT play their own
> instruments)
Not trying to start arguments, but they do. Sorry.
I don't like them, but I also don't understand why people feel the need to constantly abuse them. It seems to be 'trendy' to be a Busted hater.
Meh.
> non-musical boy bands like busted (who do NOT play their own
> instruments)
Not trying to start arguments, but they do. Sorry.
I don't like them, but I also don't understand why people feel the need to constantly abuse them. It seems to be 'trendy' to be a Busted hater.
Meh.
Mav wrote:
> Azul wrote:
> No crap electronics to synthesise everything about a song.
>
> What's so bad about synthesisers?
When they dominate a song - everything.
When they're used selectively and brilliantly (like Pink Floyd) - not much at all.
But it's the simple, crappy, repetitive, non-imaginative tunes created completely from them that annoy.
It makes you wonder if there's any point in learning how to create music when you know that there's going to be a song created completely electronically practically effortlessly in comparison to handwritten music, and will get just as high (and often higher) in the charts.
> Azul wrote:
> No crap electronics to synthesise everything about a song.
>
> What's so bad about synthesisers?
When they dominate a song - everything.
When they're used selectively and brilliantly (like Pink Floyd) - not much at all.
But it's the simple, crappy, repetitive, non-imaginative tunes created completely from them that annoy.
It makes you wonder if there's any point in learning how to create music when you know that there's going to be a song created completely electronically practically effortlessly in comparison to handwritten music, and will get just as high (and often higher) in the charts.
Azul wrote:
> No crap electronics to synthesise everything about a song.
What's so bad about synthesisers?
> No crap electronics to synthesise everything about a song.
What's so bad about synthesisers?
This argument always annoys me vastly. Time is the greatest healer, and this is the case with music. Most people partaking in this conversation are below 30. That makes the outer bounds of our regular music listening to about 1984 (assuming most people start getting taste and the ability to buy music in small quantities somewhere about ten years old.
Its easy to rant on about how much better music was in the sixties and seventies because we only really still hear the good artists and actual quality stuff that has survived through to today. I appreciate that some people have more in depth knowledge of older music than some but you only have to stick on TOTP2 to see that all music wasn't perfect back then by any stretch of the imagination. If you have ever watched it, say with a parent (45-55) they'll obviously love the good stuff, but when a random crap band from the 60s with atrocious hair cuts who steve wright only dug up because of their comedy value you realise that music back then was just as imperfect as now, just time helps to filter away the crap.
This will happen to our generation too. (this is only an example so if you don't like the music, it doesn't matter). We will rave about how good The Oasis, chilli's, Manics or the Verve were when we saw them mid 90s. Ramble on about the stupid Blur/Oasis battle. Yet nobody will go on about how the charts were raped by the screaming of the Blazing Squad and you'll struggled to remember the name of the bloke who won that crappypop idol. The BAby Azul of 2030 will post about what a great song "don't look back in anger was" and won't even have heard of The Blazing squads version of "Crossroads" or "Frankee FU rightback" because they are crap and nobody in their right mind will carry them beyond their novelty lifespan.
Of course some novelty tracks always survive through but in reality it is a fairly small proportion, Look at the tripe that was performed on Discomania or whatever it was that on itv last night, that dirtied my eyes for 5 minutes as I waited for "Fantasy Football" that never came. Abba and a large percentage of the "disco" tunes which make 40-55 year olds think they are 20 again, are just novelty tracksthat some how made it. Or songs with certain connotations to ceratin groups such as gay anthems "Relax and YMCA" also have a better chance of surviving. however on the whole novelty tracks make up a fairly small percentage of music people will remember and and even smaller percent of music people actually want to remember and listen to.
Whilst the Commercialisation of music has already occured, there are still good bands around. The commercialised bands all decay (whats the average shelf life of a boy band 2-5 years max if they are really succesful?) and its the quality that will endure.
Its easy to rant on about how much better music was in the sixties and seventies because we only really still hear the good artists and actual quality stuff that has survived through to today. I appreciate that some people have more in depth knowledge of older music than some but you only have to stick on TOTP2 to see that all music wasn't perfect back then by any stretch of the imagination. If you have ever watched it, say with a parent (45-55) they'll obviously love the good stuff, but when a random crap band from the 60s with atrocious hair cuts who steve wright only dug up because of their comedy value you realise that music back then was just as imperfect as now, just time helps to filter away the crap.
This will happen to our generation too. (this is only an example so if you don't like the music, it doesn't matter). We will rave about how good The Oasis, chilli's, Manics or the Verve were when we saw them mid 90s. Ramble on about the stupid Blur/Oasis battle. Yet nobody will go on about how the charts were raped by the screaming of the Blazing Squad and you'll struggled to remember the name of the bloke who won that crappypop idol. The BAby Azul of 2030 will post about what a great song "don't look back in anger was" and won't even have heard of The Blazing squads version of "Crossroads" or "Frankee FU rightback" because they are crap and nobody in their right mind will carry them beyond their novelty lifespan.
Of course some novelty tracks always survive through but in reality it is a fairly small proportion, Look at the tripe that was performed on Discomania or whatever it was that on itv last night, that dirtied my eyes for 5 minutes as I waited for "Fantasy Football" that never came. Abba and a large percentage of the "disco" tunes which make 40-55 year olds think they are 20 again, are just novelty tracksthat some how made it. Or songs with certain connotations to ceratin groups such as gay anthems "Relax and YMCA" also have a better chance of surviving. however on the whole novelty tracks make up a fairly small percentage of music people will remember and and even smaller percent of music people actually want to remember and listen to.
Whilst the Commercialisation of music has already occured, there are still good bands around. The commercialised bands all decay (whats the average shelf life of a boy band 2-5 years max if they are really succesful?) and its the quality that will endure.
Yes.
Original, inventive, improvised etc etc.
And the lacking of sticking to, like, rhythm if you understand what I mean. It's all over the place, but sounds so genius.
Original, inventive, improvised etc etc.
And the lacking of sticking to, like, rhythm if you understand what I mean. It's all over the place, but sounds so genius.
I think a lot of the artistry has gone from music with the introduction of electronica, i was listening to Bob Dylan last night(I forget the song) and thinking how much was going on, so many little guitar parts and rythyms going on in the back, and i thought how complicated it must have been to put it all together, there isnt anything mainstream at the moment that has that sort of multi-layered sound, it all sounds one dimensional and simple.
We need the reintroduction of that sort of jazz thing, where nothing is planned, music that sounds fresh, azul you'll know as a jazz drummer what i mean.
We need the reintroduction of that sort of jazz thing, where nothing is planned, music that sounds fresh, azul you'll know as a jazz drummer what i mean.
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