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People who park in disabled spaces don't bother me. People who stare at me don't bother me. People who talk loudly and slowly to me don't bother me. People who ask me a question by talking to the person pushing my chair don't bother me.
But, if I found out who these kids were I would call in a few favours from some of my larger friends - I know of at least two mates who wouldn't be adverse to introducing these two f###ing c##ts to the world of pain.
I am angry.
People who park in disabled spaces don't bother me. People who stare at me don't bother me. People who talk loudly and slowly to me don't bother me. People who ask me a question by talking to the person pushing my chair don't bother me.
But, if I found out who these kids were I would call in a few favours from some of my larger friends - I know of at least two mates who wouldn't be adverse to introducing these two f###ing c##ts to the world of pain.
I am angry.
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Gun Types
Guns can be divided into those that are fired hand-held and those that are braced against the shoulder for firing. The former are called pistols, while the latter are referred to generically as long guns.
Generally soldiers are issued shoulder-fired rifles. Military officers may carry pistols as backup defensive arms.
Pistol
Pistol can refer to the general class of hand-fired guns. A more specific use of the term "pistol" is for self-loading (semiautomatic), magazine-fed hand guns.
Another type of pistol is the revolver. Revolvers have a single barrel but use a rotating cylinder with multiple chambers to provide a repeating action. Because this operating method is fundamentally different from self-loading arms, operation of revolvers is not described further.
Pistol rounds are usually used at distances of less than 50 meters.
Rifle
A rifle is a shoulder-fired arm utilizing a relatively high-velocity round. They are capable of accurate fire out to a few hundred meters.
The term rifle derives from the rifling of the barrel. Rifling is typically helical ridges formed on the inside of the barrel through hammering or drawing. As the projectile engages the rifling it imparts spin. The spin gyroscopically stabilizes the flight of the projectile once it has left the barrel, giving it greater precision over longer distances. Rifled barrels were a major military advance starting before 1800.
Pistol barrels are usually rifled.
Carbine
A carbine is usually a shorter, lighter rifle. It can also refer to pistol-caliber, shoulder-fired light arms. Carbines were originally developed to improve the mobility of horse-riding cavalry soldiers.
Machine Gun
A machine gun is usually a rifle-caliber or larger, crew-served, belt-fed automatic firearm. Traditionally one rifle-caliber machine gun is deployed per platoon-sized (8 person) unit. Larger machine guns, such as the .50 caliber Browning M2 are used in vehicle- or tripod-mounted applications.
Submachine Gun
A submachine gun is a pistol-caliber, magazine-fed, individual automatic firearm. In military environments they are traditionally deployed in special operations commando units where mobility is key, or tank crews where space inside the vehicle is tight. In police environments they are deployed in counter-terrorist or special weapons units.
Since they usually have longer barrels than pistols submachine guns make more efficient use of pistol ammunition and are effective out to about 100 meters, though traditionally they are deployed at shorter distances. They are usually shoulder-fired for better accuracy.
Assault Rifle
A true assault rifle is a small, rifle-sized, fully-automatic arm chambered for an intermediate-power rifle round such as 7.62 x 39mm (Soviet) or 5.56 x 45mm (NATO). Current examples include the AK-47, AK-74, M16, and Steyr AUG. Note that true assault rifles are the fully automatic military versions, not the semi-automatic versions commercially available in the U.S.
The recently designed FN P90 Personal Defense Weapon falls somewhere between the submachine gun and assault rifle categories. It fires a small, light, 5.7 x 28mm rifle-caliber round but is about the size of a submachine gun. The P90 was designed for support troops other than assault infantry, who need full-sized assault rifles. The effectiveness of this new round in combat has not been fully determined.
Shotgun
A shotgun is a shoulder-fired arm. Most have barrels with smooth bores and fire loads of multiple lead or steel shot (balls individually or collectively called shot). Shotguns are found in hunting, target shooting, military, police, and self-defense applications. Shotguns can also fire slugs (a single large projectile) from smooth or rifled barrels. Shot is effective to about 40 meters or less. Slugs are effective out to about 100 meters or less. Shotguns are usually used at the shorter end of these ranges.
Cannon
Cannon are automatic guns of calibers 20mm to about 40mm, mounted on vehicles such as aircraft and armored vehicles.
Guns can be divided into those that are fired hand-held and those that are braced against the shoulder for firing. The former are called pistols, while the latter are referred to generically as long guns.
Generally soldiers are issued shoulder-fired rifles. Military officers may carry pistols as backup defensive arms.
Pistol
Pistol can refer to the general class of hand-fired guns. A more specific use of the term "pistol" is for self-loading (semiautomatic), magazine-fed hand guns.
Another type of pistol is the revolver. Revolvers have a single barrel but use a rotating cylinder with multiple chambers to provide a repeating action. Because this operating method is fundamentally different from self-loading arms, operation of revolvers is not described further.
Pistol rounds are usually used at distances of less than 50 meters.
Rifle
A rifle is a shoulder-fired arm utilizing a relatively high-velocity round. They are capable of accurate fire out to a few hundred meters.
The term rifle derives from the rifling of the barrel. Rifling is typically helical ridges formed on the inside of the barrel through hammering or drawing. As the projectile engages the rifling it imparts spin. The spin gyroscopically stabilizes the flight of the projectile once it has left the barrel, giving it greater precision over longer distances. Rifled barrels were a major military advance starting before 1800.
Pistol barrels are usually rifled.
Carbine
A carbine is usually a shorter, lighter rifle. It can also refer to pistol-caliber, shoulder-fired light arms. Carbines were originally developed to improve the mobility of horse-riding cavalry soldiers.
Machine Gun
A machine gun is usually a rifle-caliber or larger, crew-served, belt-fed automatic firearm. Traditionally one rifle-caliber machine gun is deployed per platoon-sized (8 person) unit. Larger machine guns, such as the .50 caliber Browning M2 are used in vehicle- or tripod-mounted applications.
Submachine Gun
A submachine gun is a pistol-caliber, magazine-fed, individual automatic firearm. In military environments they are traditionally deployed in special operations commando units where mobility is key, or tank crews where space inside the vehicle is tight. In police environments they are deployed in counter-terrorist or special weapons units.
Since they usually have longer barrels than pistols submachine guns make more efficient use of pistol ammunition and are effective out to about 100 meters, though traditionally they are deployed at shorter distances. They are usually shoulder-fired for better accuracy.
Assault Rifle
A true assault rifle is a small, rifle-sized, fully-automatic arm chambered for an intermediate-power rifle round such as 7.62 x 39mm (Soviet) or 5.56 x 45mm (NATO). Current examples include the AK-47, AK-74, M16, and Steyr AUG. Note that true assault rifles are the fully automatic military versions, not the semi-automatic versions commercially available in the U.S.
The recently designed FN P90 Personal Defense Weapon falls somewhere between the submachine gun and assault rifle categories. It fires a small, light, 5.7 x 28mm rifle-caliber round but is about the size of a submachine gun. The P90 was designed for support troops other than assault infantry, who need full-sized assault rifles. The effectiveness of this new round in combat has not been fully determined.
Shotgun
A shotgun is a shoulder-fired arm. Most have barrels with smooth bores and fire loads of multiple lead or steel shot (balls individually or collectively called shot). Shotguns are found in hunting, target shooting, military, police, and self-defense applications. Shotguns can also fire slugs (a single large projectile) from smooth or rifled barrels. Shot is effective to about 40 meters or less. Slugs are effective out to about 100 meters or less. Shotguns are usually used at the shorter end of these ranges.
Cannon
Cannon are automatic guns of calibers 20mm to about 40mm, mounted on vehicles such as aircraft and armored vehicles.
Handguns
SIG GSR 1911
The new SIG GSR 1911 certainly upholds the company's reputation for accuracy. This benchrested 25-yard group--with Speer 230-grain GDHP ammo--measures 1 1/4 inches.
It's big news in the 1911 world when a major firearms company offers its own version of Browning's classic platform for the first time. Last year Smith & Wesson did it. Now, in even more of a shocker, Sigarms has a 1911.
It's no secret that S&W had been making 1911 frames for other makers for years. But SIG is a company that's been legendary for producing state-of-the-art double-action service autos, notably the P220 and the terrific P226. So what's with offering a German-pedigreed version of what most shooters take to be the classic American pistol of the last century? Well, forget preconceived notions. I've recently shot the SIG 1911, and any doubts I had evaporated after the first magazine.
First off, let's deal with the nomenclature. The pistol is called GSR, for Granite Series Rail. "Granite" is in deference to Sigarms' home base, the Granite State of New Hampshire. The "Rail" refers to the integral tactical light rail the GSR sports. The pistol comes in two identically priced flavors: matte stainless with checkered wood grips or black Nitron-finished with synthetic Ergo Grip XT Extreme Use Grips. I shot the black one.
First off, there's no guide rod. Regardless of how you feel about guide rods, some guns do shoot better with them. But that's by no means an across-the-board situation; there are a heck of a lot of accurized, pre-guide-rod 1911s and old Colt Gold Cups that'll hang with anything in terms of shooting tight groups. And I don't think anyone forced to choose between two equally accurate and reliable guns--one with a conventional recoil-spring plunger and one with a guide rod--would choose the one with the guide rod. Maybe it's just me, but being able to disassemble a 1911 without an Allen wrench and an extra set of thumbs rates as a good thing. For those of us who grew up shooting "loose as a goose" GI guns, it was enough of a concession to deal with a bushing wrench once we stepped up to 1911s with tighter tolerances and bigger price tags.
Accuracy with my test gun was good to phenomenal. From 25 yards the best results (five-shot groups from a sandbagged rest) were with Speer Gold Dot 230-grain JHP (1 1/4 inches) and Black Hills 200-grain SWC (1 3/4 inches). I tried some Taurus 185-grain Hex JHPs and managed to put four shots into 1 1/2 inches but was plagued repeatedly trying to better that by a fifth-shot flyer that kept opening things up to 2 1/2 or three inches. Buffalo Bore's stout 200-grain JHP Plus-P stuff ran at a very respectable three inches continually. All groups, incidentally, were pretty close to point of aim, indicating the SIG was pretty democratic when it came to throwing different brands/weights into the money. The trigger broke at a nice, fairly crisp four pounds.
I was running out of time, but I couldn't resist trying the gun at 50 yards with some of the Black Hills 200-grain SWC stuff. For three, five-shot groups, I averaged slightly over two inches, the gun clustering them low but right on line windage-wise. The best group measured 1 7/8 inches center to center, which is about as well as I've ever done (or am capable of doing) with any iron-sighted handgun at 50 yards.
SPECIFICATIONS
Importer: www.sigarms.com
Action: Recoil-operated single-action semiauto
Caliber: .45 ACP
Capacity: 8+1
Barrel length: 5 in. Overall length: 8.65 in.
Weight: 39.2 ounces (w/o mag.)
Sights: Novak three-dot (drift adj. for windage)
Grips: Synthetic (wood on GSR Stainless Model)
Finish: Black Nitron (GSR Model)
Price: $1,077
The gun functioned without a hitch. Considering the fact that I was shooting a lot of lead SWC ammo and the gun hadn't yet been broken in, that in itself is fairly unusual.
The SIG GSR is a first-class maiden effort featuring Novak sights and magazines (two per gun), extended beavertail, Commander-style hammer, match-grade barrel (obviously) and a long external extractor. It's hand-lapped for frame-to-slide fit and is extremely smooth and tight. It's got a (by now almost obligatory) rail for lights and lasers, which, I feel, increases utility at the expense of aesthetics. Speaking of looks, I sort of prefer the wood grips on the matte stainless version, but the black-coated GSR I shot (it's also stainless beneath the black) functioned and grouped so well, any cosmetic gripes seem sort of piddly. This gun feels good in the hand, cycles when you shoot it and hits what you aim it at. What else is there?
SIG GSR 1911
The new SIG GSR 1911 certainly upholds the company's reputation for accuracy. This benchrested 25-yard group--with Speer 230-grain GDHP ammo--measures 1 1/4 inches.
It's big news in the 1911 world when a major firearms company offers its own version of Browning's classic platform for the first time. Last year Smith & Wesson did it. Now, in even more of a shocker, Sigarms has a 1911.
It's no secret that S&W had been making 1911 frames for other makers for years. But SIG is a company that's been legendary for producing state-of-the-art double-action service autos, notably the P220 and the terrific P226. So what's with offering a German-pedigreed version of what most shooters take to be the classic American pistol of the last century? Well, forget preconceived notions. I've recently shot the SIG 1911, and any doubts I had evaporated after the first magazine.
First off, let's deal with the nomenclature. The pistol is called GSR, for Granite Series Rail. "Granite" is in deference to Sigarms' home base, the Granite State of New Hampshire. The "Rail" refers to the integral tactical light rail the GSR sports. The pistol comes in two identically priced flavors: matte stainless with checkered wood grips or black Nitron-finished with synthetic Ergo Grip XT Extreme Use Grips. I shot the black one.
First off, there's no guide rod. Regardless of how you feel about guide rods, some guns do shoot better with them. But that's by no means an across-the-board situation; there are a heck of a lot of accurized, pre-guide-rod 1911s and old Colt Gold Cups that'll hang with anything in terms of shooting tight groups. And I don't think anyone forced to choose between two equally accurate and reliable guns--one with a conventional recoil-spring plunger and one with a guide rod--would choose the one with the guide rod. Maybe it's just me, but being able to disassemble a 1911 without an Allen wrench and an extra set of thumbs rates as a good thing. For those of us who grew up shooting "loose as a goose" GI guns, it was enough of a concession to deal with a bushing wrench once we stepped up to 1911s with tighter tolerances and bigger price tags.
Accuracy with my test gun was good to phenomenal. From 25 yards the best results (five-shot groups from a sandbagged rest) were with Speer Gold Dot 230-grain JHP (1 1/4 inches) and Black Hills 200-grain SWC (1 3/4 inches). I tried some Taurus 185-grain Hex JHPs and managed to put four shots into 1 1/2 inches but was plagued repeatedly trying to better that by a fifth-shot flyer that kept opening things up to 2 1/2 or three inches. Buffalo Bore's stout 200-grain JHP Plus-P stuff ran at a very respectable three inches continually. All groups, incidentally, were pretty close to point of aim, indicating the SIG was pretty democratic when it came to throwing different brands/weights into the money. The trigger broke at a nice, fairly crisp four pounds.
I was running out of time, but I couldn't resist trying the gun at 50 yards with some of the Black Hills 200-grain SWC stuff. For three, five-shot groups, I averaged slightly over two inches, the gun clustering them low but right on line windage-wise. The best group measured 1 7/8 inches center to center, which is about as well as I've ever done (or am capable of doing) with any iron-sighted handgun at 50 yards.
SPECIFICATIONS
Importer: www.sigarms.com
Action: Recoil-operated single-action semiauto
Caliber: .45 ACP
Capacity: 8+1
Barrel length: 5 in. Overall length: 8.65 in.
Weight: 39.2 ounces (w/o mag.)
Sights: Novak three-dot (drift adj. for windage)
Grips: Synthetic (wood on GSR Stainless Model)
Finish: Black Nitron (GSR Model)
Price: $1,077
The gun functioned without a hitch. Considering the fact that I was shooting a lot of lead SWC ammo and the gun hadn't yet been broken in, that in itself is fairly unusual.
The SIG GSR is a first-class maiden effort featuring Novak sights and magazines (two per gun), extended beavertail, Commander-style hammer, match-grade barrel (obviously) and a long external extractor. It's hand-lapped for frame-to-slide fit and is extremely smooth and tight. It's got a (by now almost obligatory) rail for lights and lasers, which, I feel, increases utility at the expense of aesthetics. Speaking of looks, I sort of prefer the wood grips on the matte stainless version, but the black-coated GSR I shot (it's also stainless beneath the black) functioned and grouped so well, any cosmetic gripes seem sort of piddly. This gun feels good in the hand, cycles when you shoot it and hits what you aim it at. What else is there?
[URL]http://www.galleryofguns.com/[/URL]
Timmargh wrote:
> This is where I live:
> [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/3818411.stm[/URL]
>
> People who park in disabled spaces don't bother me. People who stare
> at me don't bother me. People who talk loudly and slowly to me don't
> bother me. People who ask me a question by talking to the person
> pushing my chair don't bother me.
Oh..... that's..... good..... that.... you're.... not...... bothered..... by.... such...... things.....
But seriously, that's crap, you should shooot them..
Ahhhhhh, hence why you want the gun. I see now.
> This is where I live:
> [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/3818411.stm[/URL]
>
> People who park in disabled spaces don't bother me. People who stare
> at me don't bother me. People who talk loudly and slowly to me don't
> bother me. People who ask me a question by talking to the person
> pushing my chair don't bother me.
Oh..... that's..... good..... that.... you're.... not...... bothered..... by.... such...... things.....
But seriously, that's crap, you should shooot them..
Ahhhhhh, hence why you want the gun. I see now.
4ft2 and 4ft4..my god they are smaller than me!
Thats sickening, sounds almost like a sick joke!
Thats sickening, sounds almost like a sick joke!
Notable? Cram that up your ass and dance like a bear.
I don't want to be no Notable, lording it over the monkeys like a monolith.
But a monolith with a goatee and shaved head.
And limbs.
I don't want to be no Notable, lording it over the monkeys like a monolith.
But a monolith with a goatee and shaved head.
And limbs.
Goatboy wrote:
> Beat them like old carpets.
Goatboy for notable!!!!!!!111
> Beat them like old carpets.
Goatboy for notable!!!!!!!111
Timmargh wrote:
> Well, I've got to be good at something.
>
> And I'm embarrassed to say that I had to look up the meaning of
> "onanistic".
and i'll quite happily admit that i read it over his shoulder :)
> Well, I've got to be good at something.
>
> And I'm embarrassed to say that I had to look up the meaning of
> "onanistic".
and i'll quite happily admit that i read it over his shoulder :)
I'd say these two kids should be sent to grown-up prison for a week, having informed general population of exactly why they're in there.
I had smacks as a child from ma, it taught me to not do X again - more the fact I knew it caused annoyance than the fear of pain.
Discipline, as opposed to abuse, is necessary and if you think otherwise then take a look around at the sorts of feral assfaces that roam at will.
My school had the cane and teachers walloped you if you did wrong, hence a school full of behaving pupils.
This PC "Oh suffer the children!" mentality is exactly why this sort of crap happens.
Beat them like old carpets.
I had smacks as a child from ma, it taught me to not do X again - more the fact I knew it caused annoyance than the fear of pain.
Discipline, as opposed to abuse, is necessary and if you think otherwise then take a look around at the sorts of feral assfaces that roam at will.
My school had the cane and teachers walloped you if you did wrong, hence a school full of behaving pupils.
This PC "Oh suffer the children!" mentality is exactly why this sort of crap happens.
Beat them like old carpets.
Jeez, some people really are utter scum.
On the issue of corporal punishment and disciplining though:
The argument against it goes:
"It just teaches kids to solve their problems with violence"
(In addition to arguments about regulation etc, but those seem to be perhipheral and summountable, the above is the real main objection).
But surely that line of reasoning must extend to any form of punishment:
'Punishing kids teaches them to solve their problems by being cruel to people'
It's exactly the same reasoning - whether your punishment is physical or otherwise, you're still doing something 'cruel' to them in response to their behaviour / mistakes.
And psychological punishment can very easily be made worse than a quick smack - I'm sure we can all agree on that.
So the question becomes: Should parents be allowed to punish their kids?
Obviously there are often alternatives, talk to the child, reason with them, eductae them.
But kids aren't always 'reasonable', they don't always behave to what they might objectively consider right or wrong, and sometimes reasoning simply isn't effective enough.
There has to be a place for punishing children when they behave wrongly.
Sure, it's not nice to have to smack a kid, but in everyones' interests, including the child's, sometimes they have to be punished, and an appropriate ammount of physical punishment must be as legitimate as another punishment of a similar degree of cruelty.
Yes, some people may go too far and abuse their children, but any punishment can, and occasionally will be, taken to an unacceptable extreme. Smacking is no different.
On the issue of corporal punishment and disciplining though:
The argument against it goes:
"It just teaches kids to solve their problems with violence"
(In addition to arguments about regulation etc, but those seem to be perhipheral and summountable, the above is the real main objection).
But surely that line of reasoning must extend to any form of punishment:
'Punishing kids teaches them to solve their problems by being cruel to people'
It's exactly the same reasoning - whether your punishment is physical or otherwise, you're still doing something 'cruel' to them in response to their behaviour / mistakes.
And psychological punishment can very easily be made worse than a quick smack - I'm sure we can all agree on that.
So the question becomes: Should parents be allowed to punish their kids?
Obviously there are often alternatives, talk to the child, reason with them, eductae them.
But kids aren't always 'reasonable', they don't always behave to what they might objectively consider right or wrong, and sometimes reasoning simply isn't effective enough.
There has to be a place for punishing children when they behave wrongly.
Sure, it's not nice to have to smack a kid, but in everyones' interests, including the child's, sometimes they have to be punished, and an appropriate ammount of physical punishment must be as legitimate as another punishment of a similar degree of cruelty.
Yes, some people may go too far and abuse their children, but any punishment can, and occasionally will be, taken to an unacceptable extreme. Smacking is no different.
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