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"Alien Vs. Predator - Horror Francise turned Action Film - my thoughts."

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Sat 12/06/04 at 12:13
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DISCLAIMER

Before many of you read the following I want to point out a couple of things. Yes, it's true - i'm not that big a fan of Paul Anderson, but I try and get behind him when I can, for instance I own both Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon. I see them as watchable movies, with some very good moments within them. When Anderson was signed up for Resident Evil, I was initially pleased, it wasn't until I saw what direction he took the story when I became weary, when I saw the final product I was mortified. So take note, I tried. Alien's VS. Predator however was a concept I never liked in the first place outside the video games or the comics, as a film I thought it would be a disaster, when Anderson was signed up for this I wasn't convinced any further, and again when I read the plot that was it. They took everything that came before, the concept of Predators for instance, and threw it out of the window (by this I mean that Predators, as stated in the first two movies only ever go where it's the hottest). I'm a huge Aliens and Predator fan, so there is bias here, if you get offended easily or know where I am coming from, just skip this post - you've been warned.

This is a link to the trailer.

[URL]http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_exclusive/large.html[/URL]

Isn't it me, or are trailers supposed to make you want to see a movie? Though I obviously can't comment on the final product, this trailer doesn't so much speak to me telling me to not see this movie, but to just boycott everything about it. Alien and Predators are concepts cemented into the history of cinema now and yet it seems that this just misses the point so spectacularly. The music for instance!? What the hell is this about? In the same way that the Resident Evil film should of never had a metal soundtrack, it just shouldn't, it's like applying orchestral music to Freddy Vs. Jason, it's a complete opposite of what should of been. I only hope that the music in the trailer doesn't make it to the final movie (and before anyone even bothers, i'm well aware this was shown as part of an MTV thing, which quite easily explains the music, but given Anderson's previous track record, you gotta understand where i'm coming from).

The Predators, I personally (note: personally) don't like the new masks with the mouth like design on, I think it makes them look way too technical and scientific now and less 'tribal' as the Predators did before, and I really don't like the way they move, when the Predator grabs the chestburster (shocking awful moment) it looks ridiculous, it's like they hired a Power Rangers actor or something to move his arms cheesily with direct movements, robotic like. Again, someone, without going into expanded universe nonscene which doesn't count in movie timelines, explain to me why Predators are in the antarctic, despite the fact where they only go when it's the hottest. I really don't like the super-extended-wrist blades now either.

The less said about what we've seen from the acting in the trailer - the better, though we've not seen Peter Weller, Lance Henrickson or Colin Salmon yet so i'm still hopeful that at least the acting is good (the cast was the best thing about Event Horizon for instance).

The film, from what we've seen - is too damn bright, and too many colours. This was where Alien Reserrection failed in one way for me, it was too just damn well lit, and robbed the movie of any tension whatsoever. Though Alien3 wasn't the best movie of all time, I nonetheless thought that dodgy CGI aside, it had really good suspense and fantastic lighting. Having actually worked on lighting before on a set, I can understand how too much light destroys any dramatic effect needed, and though obviously that's absolutely no comparison it's worth pointing out. The trailers to Alien and Aliens were fantastically dark, and really held your interest because of what we didn't see.

Complaints put aside, the Alien effects (apart from the chest burster), look stunning and I am for one relieved to discover the movie isn't a CG fest, the suits, despite based on the Reserrection design and the shuddery lip the first time we see it on the trailer, are of a high quality which is re-assuring to see. One could of only wondered what Stan Winston could of done on this project - but alas.

That's all I'll say for now, probably boiled a few people's blood on this forum but you gotta me the fact that I constructively crticised the trailer and veered away from the usual criticism I often offer with a Paul Anderson movie. I think the main thing I still despise about this movie is the story, and though the leaks i've read on the intraweb aren't a reflection of the finished project, they are indication, a template of what will finally be on that screen. I think to the masses this film will do loads of money and will spawn more Aliens and Predator movies, I think to really hardcore fanbase there will be dissapointment however, but I guess at the end of the day if you can tolerate Alien Reserrection then this isn't going to be anything new. Horror classics turned into what looks like an action fest. Still - it's early musings yet and I am only analysing a trailer - I'll wait for the films release for the final verdict so don't think I'm being unfair, note how i've not criticised the mise-en-scene or pacing, action or direction just yet - just the conceptual stuff we've got here.

Thank You.

Ty^
Fri 18/06/04 at 22:50
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"Led Zeppelin"
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▀orać žagdiyeV wrote:
> van damme should be strung up. the only film I've seen of his which
> was reasonable was timecop.

that was a poor movie.... I don't think you've seen his early movie
Fri 18/06/04 at 21:41
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"That's right!"
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Universal Soldier was OK.

"Ruuuuuuuuun!"

Could've been so much better... Roland Emmerich did it (Indpendence Day)
Fri 18/06/04 at 21:23
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van damme should be strung up. the only film I've seen of his which was reasonable was timecop.
Fri 18/06/04 at 21:09
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"Led Zeppelin"
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pb wrote:
> ▀orać žagdiyeV wrote:
> Both Mortal Kombat films were absolutely dire, and should be removed
> from the planet. Mortal Kombat Annihilation is probably my most
> hated film of all time, and that's against stiff competition (Jean
> Claude van Jackass).
>
> Hey! I liked the first Mortal Kombat film, it was deliberately
> cheesy (as the game was) and had some great fights. Oh, and Van
> Damme was ok in earlier martial arts movies (Bloodsport, Kickboxer),
> but, yeah, he went Hollywood.


I agree with you.

Van damme early film was brilliant.
Fri 18/06/04 at 21:06
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"possibly impossible"
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▀orać žagdiyeV wrote:
> > Both Mortal Kombat films were absolutely dire, and should be removed
> from the planet. Mortal Kombat Annihilation is probably my most
> hated film of all time, and that's against stiff competition (Jean
> Claude van Jackass).

Hey! I liked the first Mortal Kombat film, it was deliberately cheesy (as the game was) and had some great fights. Oh, and Van Damme was ok in earlier martial arts movies (Bloodsport, Kickboxer), but, yeah, he went Hollywood.
Fri 18/06/04 at 15:44
"Darth Vader 3442321"
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Predator versus some Pirates.
Fri 18/06/04 at 14:31
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"Wants Spymate on dv"
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the sagacious one wrote:
> I'd like to see a Predator film set in the past.

I'm sure I remember once reading about a script for a new Predator film which was going to be set in the past, that would be interesting...
Fri 18/06/04 at 14:23
"Darth Vader 3442321"
Posts: 4,031
I'd like to see a Predator film set in the past.

SPOILER

Remember that fintlock pistol the Predator gave to the cop at the end of Predator 2, in order to show how long they've been hunting on our planet?

END OF SPOILER

So there.
Mon 14/06/04 at 16:12
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"50 BLM,30 SMN,25 RD"
Posts: 2,299
They did Aliens and Predators in the same movie already, even if the Alien was dead at the time (Predator 2).

I don't think I even want to watch the trailers for this, I much prefer the Aliens franchise to Predator but I've never wanted to see Resurrection. The first two were total classics (and Aliens is the best ACTION film of all time if you ask me) but they milked it too much already. I can see A vs P turning out like Batmand and Robin.
Sun 13/06/04 at 23:34
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"Insert Gently"
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Though the last Alien film was awful

should of kept Ripley dead and revived the franchise with a good prequel

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