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While I was browsing the site you can find if you [URL]http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14510&page=2&pp=15[/URL] , I came across this interesting story.
Some people were arguing over which version of Taoism was the best (Taoism was an alternative to Buddhism in China) and also what was best out of Buddhism and Taoism (which was silly considering that they're both so similar and a proper Taoist/Buddhist wouldn't be bothered by who's belief is best...) and a guy came out with this analogy:
It's like in the old story of the blind guys all grabbing an elephant on a different part and then trying to describe to each other what an elephant really is based on the one part they have in their hands. One guy has an ear, one guy has the tail, one guy has the torso, one guy has a leg, another guy has a tusk. They all have a real part of the elephant, but they also all have completely different descriptions and end up getting mad and yelling at each other about what an elephant is really like. It isn't because they are stupid or wrong, it is because they can't see the rest of the elephant.
Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, you name it, they all have dozens, if not hundreds, of sects just because of "blindness" regarding their other parts. If you dig into the roots of the traditions you'll see that most of the founders of different religions all warned against this happening. But, people being who they are, everyone wants their part of the elephant to be the best one and don't give a monkey's (or an elephant's) butt about the other parts (if they even admit that other parts exist) and spend all day yelling about their own.
Do you think that God has revealed EVERYTHING there is to know about him in your Bible?
Even if you were to be right, that would not necessarily make over religions and beliefs wrong?
What do you think? :-)
Some people were arguing over which version of Taoism was the best (Taoism was an alternative to Buddhism in China) and also what was best out of Buddhism and Taoism (which was silly considering that they're both so similar and a proper Taoist/Buddhist wouldn't be bothered by who's belief is best...) and a guy came out with this analogy:
It's like in the old story of the blind guys all grabbing an elephant on a different part and then trying to describe to each other what an elephant really is based on the one part they have in their hands. One guy has an ear, one guy has the tail, one guy has the torso, one guy has a leg, another guy has a tusk. They all have a real part of the elephant, but they also all have completely different descriptions and end up getting mad and yelling at each other about what an elephant is really like. It isn't because they are stupid or wrong, it is because they can't see the rest of the elephant.
Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, you name it, they all have dozens, if not hundreds, of sects just because of "blindness" regarding their other parts. If you dig into the roots of the traditions you'll see that most of the founders of different religions all warned against this happening. But, people being who they are, everyone wants their part of the elephant to be the best one and don't give a monkey's (or an elephant's) butt about the other parts (if they even admit that other parts exist) and spend all day yelling about their own.
Do you think that God has revealed EVERYTHING there is to know about him in your Bible?
Even if you were to be right, that would not necessarily make over religions and beliefs wrong?
What do you think? :-)
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Microchips wrote:
> I'll remind you again of what Light said, considering you totally
> ignored it the first time round.
God is a part of the three part Godhead; God The Son, but is not God The Father.
> I'll remind you again of what Light said, considering you totally
> ignored it the first time round.
God is a part of the three part Godhead; God The Son, but is not God The Father.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> He didn't. He was the 'King of the Jews', you have to remember that
> Israel was His country and He was loyal to it. Other missionaries
> went to places like Italy, Spain, India and so on, to tell about
> Jesus.
Alright.
But even if you include places where the "word" was spread to, it still ignores more than half the world.
I really don't think that the Bible is the be all and end all of God.
It's one way of looking at it, but...
I guess my question now is:
All religious writings, including the Bible, have been written, interpreted, put together, edited, translated and whatnot by "fallible men".
So other than your personal faith, what is it about the Bible that makes you believe its EVERY word and disbelieve EVERY word of one of these "rival" religions?
Is it because it was the first one to tell you to "believe me and no one else"?
The way you say that anyone who isn't mentioned in the Bible (including those who are extremely similar to Jesus in terms of moral and lessons taught) is the work of the devil makes me think that you believe God cares more about his ego than the human race.
Are you really thinking about what the Bible is and where it came from or are you basing your every belief in a book which has probably been severely doctored between its conception and the "version" you own.
> He didn't. He was the 'King of the Jews', you have to remember that
> Israel was His country and He was loyal to it. Other missionaries
> went to places like Italy, Spain, India and so on, to tell about
> Jesus.
Alright.
But even if you include places where the "word" was spread to, it still ignores more than half the world.
I really don't think that the Bible is the be all and end all of God.
It's one way of looking at it, but...
I guess my question now is:
All religious writings, including the Bible, have been written, interpreted, put together, edited, translated and whatnot by "fallible men".
So other than your personal faith, what is it about the Bible that makes you believe its EVERY word and disbelieve EVERY word of one of these "rival" religions?
Is it because it was the first one to tell you to "believe me and no one else"?
The way you say that anyone who isn't mentioned in the Bible (including those who are extremely similar to Jesus in terms of moral and lessons taught) is the work of the devil makes me think that you believe God cares more about his ego than the human race.
Are you really thinking about what the Bible is and where it came from or are you basing your every belief in a book which has probably been severely doctored between its conception and the "version" you own.
Light wrote:
Seems that you've once again been caught out.
> Especially as you also said (and I quote...)
>
> "God = Jesus"
>
> So you're either saying you DID speak directly to him and you're
> lying here. Or you're lying when you said you spoke direct, and
> telling the truth here.
>
> Which is it?
I'll remind you again of what Light said, considering you totally ignored it the first time round.
Seems that you've once again been caught out.
> Especially as you also said (and I quote...)
>
> "God = Jesus"
>
> So you're either saying you DID speak directly to him and you're
> lying here. Or you're lying when you said you spoke direct, and
> telling the truth here.
>
> Which is it?
I'll remind you again of what Light said, considering you totally ignored it the first time round.
Strafio wrote:
> So you think God would completely ignore the rest of the world?
> Just randomly pick one man (Abraham) to start his family and then
> damn everyone else for eternity?
He didn't. He was the 'King of the Jews', you have to remember that Israel was His country and He was loyal to it. Other missionaries went to places like Italy, Spain, India and so on, to tell about Jesus.
> So you think God would completely ignore the rest of the world?
> Just randomly pick one man (Abraham) to start his family and then
> damn everyone else for eternity?
He didn't. He was the 'King of the Jews', you have to remember that Israel was His country and He was loyal to it. Other missionaries went to places like Italy, Spain, India and so on, to tell about Jesus.
tphi wrote:
> But no Australia? Now why could that be.. is it:
>
> A) Because God just ignored it.
> B) Because the bored blokes who sat around and wrote the books of the
> Bible just didn't know it existed.
Secret Option C) Australia was not discovered in Biblical times and even then, the first people to live there would be British and Britain is indirectly mentioned in the Bible.
> But no Australia? Now why could that be.. is it:
>
> A) Because God just ignored it.
> B) Because the bored blokes who sat around and wrote the books of the
> Bible just didn't know it existed.
Secret Option C) Australia was not discovered in Biblical times and even then, the first people to live there would be British and Britain is indirectly mentioned in the Bible.
Forest Fan wrote:
> From the top of my head, the following countries and areas are all
> mentioned in the Bible:
>
> Europe
> Asia
> Africa
But no Australia? Now why could that be.. is it:
A) Because God just ignored it.
B) Because the bored blokes who sat around and wrote the books of the Bible just didn't know it existed.
> From the top of my head, the following countries and areas are all
> mentioned in the Bible:
>
> Europe
> Asia
> Africa
But no Australia? Now why could that be.. is it:
A) Because God just ignored it.
B) Because the bored blokes who sat around and wrote the books of the Bible just didn't know it existed.
Forest Fan wrote:
> He has appeared to people all through history. He was with Noah
> thousands of years ago and Abraham, then Moses and with the prophets
> and later Jesus and then in the Holy Spirit and He is coming again in
> the form of living Jesus.
He appeared to the Jewish lineage, from their starting point, through Egypt to Israel. That's it. The rest of the world only heard about it from Christians thenwards onwards.
Even then, only Europe and bits of Africa ever got involved, the rest of the world only found out when these "good" Christians invaded them.
So you think God would completely ignore the rest of the world?
Just randomly pick one man (Abraham) to start his family and then damn everyone else for eternity?
> He has appeared to people all through history. He was with Noah
> thousands of years ago and Abraham, then Moses and with the prophets
> and later Jesus and then in the Holy Spirit and He is coming again in
> the form of living Jesus.
He appeared to the Jewish lineage, from their starting point, through Egypt to Israel. That's it. The rest of the world only heard about it from Christians thenwards onwards.
Even then, only Europe and bits of Africa ever got involved, the rest of the world only found out when these "good" Christians invaded them.
So you think God would completely ignore the rest of the world?
Just randomly pick one man (Abraham) to start his family and then damn everyone else for eternity?
What's the problem with being fundamental? Taking the Bible literally?
tphi wrote:
> You never here about his Eskimo Exploits, or his Native People's of
> North America Travels. Oh, that's because they have
> "special" religions of their own.
Yeah, and until god created the world approx 6000 years ago, the early inhabitants of the Americas (Paleoindians) didn't exist. Apart from the fact there is evidence they were around 13,000 years ago.
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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
> You never here about his Eskimo Exploits, or his Native People's of
> North America Travels. Oh, that's because they have
> "special" religions of their own.
Yeah, and until god created the world approx 6000 years ago, the early inhabitants of the Americas (Paleoindians) didn't exist. Apart from the fact there is evidence they were around 13,000 years ago.
[edit]
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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