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Western soldiers torture Iraqis.
Iraqis kill Western Soldiers.
Western Soldiers kills Iraqis.
And so on so forth.
Just remember that we "won" this phony war last year. Rejoice that all is well and the smiling Iraqis welcome our heroic conque - sorry - liberators.
Hell, they even tore down that monolithic statue of Hussein in a spontaneous celebration of being free...well, ok, it was stage managed by the media (as was the classic flag-raising at Iwo Jima) but that's not the point is it, you cynical communist terrorist lover?
I'd still like to know where Saddam Hussein is in all this.
For such an "Evil Hitler", there seems to be zero interest in what's happened to that "vile, despicable murdering tyrant"
He's vanished, with a tacit agreement to never ever mention his current state in the media.
But I get a sneaking suspicion he'll be wheeled out just in time for the elections, especially with public opinion swinging away from support and to "just get these guys home please".
The invasion was launched on lies and deliberately false information concerning non-existent WOMD (almost a year later and nothing still, despite all concerned being in captivity, you'd think with the amount of anti-military/government/invasion feeling they'd show a couple to say "See? Now go back to soap operas" eh?).
And since the "liberation", there has been nothing but trouble. Bombs going off, soldiers & civilians being killed, acknowledged torture and possible murder of prisoners in captivity.
I'd say, purely as a propaganda coup for the idiot fundamentalist terror groups, we've handed them a world-stage of attention.
And don't fall for the idiotic Daily Mail type argument of "Well in the heat of battle, emotions run high" as an excuse. These weren't soldiers being tortured, these were people in captivity. Held in jail, unable to do anything except be tortured, humiliated and possibly murdered (depends which news source you listen to on that last point).
Before anybody tries to defend/justify the treatment of these prisoners, remember the absolute outcry and fury from the Western press when those two downed pilots were shown beaten and bloody as hostage in the last war.
Where's the difference? Except those pilots were enemy combatants in a time of war. These Iraqis are prisoners being held after the "victory in freeing Iraq".
The torture and beating of prisoners is wrong, whatever your colour/religion. You can't excuse it with rhetoric and nationalistic pleas for leniency because these soldiers have been having a hard time and wanted revenge - or whatever the hell reasons are being offered.
And with all this current hostility and anti-government feeling building with the British public towards those genuine photographs and rising resentment that "our boys" are dying months after we "won"?
Keep your eyes peeled for yet another media blitz from Blair warning about "IMMINENT RICIN TANKS AT HEATHROW FERTILISER FOILED!!!!!" narrowly avoided terrordeathkill plot to whip us back up into a "Dirty bloody Arab Immigrant" frenzy.
It's with a weary sigh that I hope I'm wrong on that point, because it's happened each and every time we've begun to question what the point of the invasion was.
So inbetween soap opera awards and scare stories about the brown tidal wave of immigrants coming to live in your house and do bumsex to your decent white family, our "heroic police/army" will foil/expose/avert some nefarious evil plot to do some vague nasty in our green and pleasant land.
The scary thing is, with Hussein "gone" and Bin Laden "ineffectual", I wonder who the next bogeyman will be to keep us timid and frightened of each other instead of realising that we all share this planet and we all want the same things.
North Korea? Nope, because they could actually kick our ass.
China? Nope, for the reasons above.
What this world needs is a really good villain to justify those billions of pounds in weapons sales and every-inscreasingly fascist laws to "protect us" from "them".
Identity Cards to be carried at all times, and let's put your DNA on there. Because if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to be afraid of right?
Let's have CCTV everywhere for your protection. Because as we all know, having constant 24/7 surveillance has radically reduced the levels of street crime and drunken violence hasn't it?
Let's have all internal flights in the UK finish with your photograph being taken for "security purposes" (because many, many terrorists fly from Heathrow to Inverness with deadly killer stuff instead of just driving with a tiny, tiny millionth of a percentage of a chance of being pulled over)
Don't you feel safer and happier already?
I mean it's nice to know we're being looked after so well isn't it? And for those evil, vile criminals that consider leaving their road-tax a week or so until they get paid before reknewing, the commercial kindly informs you (with ominous low-resonance music) that the DVLC know where you live, what car you drive and exactly how long you have left on your tax.
I feel so reassured that I'll never be killed by terrorists with all this added security and comfort.
The only thing that's been left out of this Orwellian warm-hug from your government is the fact that nothing will stop somebody if they are determined to do damaged.
September 11th 2001 proved that.
A handful of fanatics armed with box-cutters - not missiles, not weapons of mass destruction, not violent games/Tarantino movies but box cutters - achieved what Hussein with his invisible magic WOMD had never ever done (ok, so he had no desire to attack the West but hey, he had a moustache and spoke different).
So shut up and be happy. Surrender the very essence of your being, the chemical components that make up your existence, in order to stave off some in-the-future possible tragedy.
Watch your idiot television shows that pump banal effluent into your homes, read your "OK! HI! CELEBGOSSWOW!" magazines and lust for the truly pointless and trivial.
Bury your heads in the sand and blindly trust that people who sell weapons to people they later declare as evil for using those weapons.
Believe the lies and horseshit fearmongering designed to keep you servile and meek, domesticated cattle that are considered too stupid to be told what's going on until years later.
Stay indoors and swallow the Mein-Kampf like ideals of the Daily Mail who want you to hate immigrants/single mothers/homosexuals.
Whatever you do, do not rub your eyes and refuse to be kept asleep anymore.
Over a million people marched in protest of this sham invasion, the largest ever public demonstration in our country's history.
And it was ignored and written off as "leftist"
And look where we are now.
It'll get a lot worse before it gets better, that I promise.
So kids, don't forget to keep watching for the inevitable "LOOK! TERRORISTS NEARLY KILLED YOU!!!!!!" reports to shame you into docile acceptance that we're doing the right thing.
Shut up.
Be Happy.
Be inside.
Be afraid.
Be intolerant.
Be pumped full of sedative entertainment.
Be good little citizens and don't question, because it's all far too complicated for you and me to understand and see through.
Iraqis kill Western Soldiers.
Western Soldiers kills Iraqis.
And so on so forth.
Just remember that we "won" this phony war last year. Rejoice that all is well and the smiling Iraqis welcome our heroic conque - sorry - liberators.
Hell, they even tore down that monolithic statue of Hussein in a spontaneous celebration of being free...well, ok, it was stage managed by the media (as was the classic flag-raising at Iwo Jima) but that's not the point is it, you cynical communist terrorist lover?
I'd still like to know where Saddam Hussein is in all this.
For such an "Evil Hitler", there seems to be zero interest in what's happened to that "vile, despicable murdering tyrant"
He's vanished, with a tacit agreement to never ever mention his current state in the media.
But I get a sneaking suspicion he'll be wheeled out just in time for the elections, especially with public opinion swinging away from support and to "just get these guys home please".
The invasion was launched on lies and deliberately false information concerning non-existent WOMD (almost a year later and nothing still, despite all concerned being in captivity, you'd think with the amount of anti-military/government/invasion feeling they'd show a couple to say "See? Now go back to soap operas" eh?).
And since the "liberation", there has been nothing but trouble. Bombs going off, soldiers & civilians being killed, acknowledged torture and possible murder of prisoners in captivity.
I'd say, purely as a propaganda coup for the idiot fundamentalist terror groups, we've handed them a world-stage of attention.
And don't fall for the idiotic Daily Mail type argument of "Well in the heat of battle, emotions run high" as an excuse. These weren't soldiers being tortured, these were people in captivity. Held in jail, unable to do anything except be tortured, humiliated and possibly murdered (depends which news source you listen to on that last point).
Before anybody tries to defend/justify the treatment of these prisoners, remember the absolute outcry and fury from the Western press when those two downed pilots were shown beaten and bloody as hostage in the last war.
Where's the difference? Except those pilots were enemy combatants in a time of war. These Iraqis are prisoners being held after the "victory in freeing Iraq".
The torture and beating of prisoners is wrong, whatever your colour/religion. You can't excuse it with rhetoric and nationalistic pleas for leniency because these soldiers have been having a hard time and wanted revenge - or whatever the hell reasons are being offered.
And with all this current hostility and anti-government feeling building with the British public towards those genuine photographs and rising resentment that "our boys" are dying months after we "won"?
Keep your eyes peeled for yet another media blitz from Blair warning about "IMMINENT RICIN TANKS AT HEATHROW FERTILISER FOILED!!!!!" narrowly avoided terrordeathkill plot to whip us back up into a "Dirty bloody Arab Immigrant" frenzy.
It's with a weary sigh that I hope I'm wrong on that point, because it's happened each and every time we've begun to question what the point of the invasion was.
So inbetween soap opera awards and scare stories about the brown tidal wave of immigrants coming to live in your house and do bumsex to your decent white family, our "heroic police/army" will foil/expose/avert some nefarious evil plot to do some vague nasty in our green and pleasant land.
The scary thing is, with Hussein "gone" and Bin Laden "ineffectual", I wonder who the next bogeyman will be to keep us timid and frightened of each other instead of realising that we all share this planet and we all want the same things.
North Korea? Nope, because they could actually kick our ass.
China? Nope, for the reasons above.
What this world needs is a really good villain to justify those billions of pounds in weapons sales and every-inscreasingly fascist laws to "protect us" from "them".
Identity Cards to be carried at all times, and let's put your DNA on there. Because if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to be afraid of right?
Let's have CCTV everywhere for your protection. Because as we all know, having constant 24/7 surveillance has radically reduced the levels of street crime and drunken violence hasn't it?
Let's have all internal flights in the UK finish with your photograph being taken for "security purposes" (because many, many terrorists fly from Heathrow to Inverness with deadly killer stuff instead of just driving with a tiny, tiny millionth of a percentage of a chance of being pulled over)
Don't you feel safer and happier already?
I mean it's nice to know we're being looked after so well isn't it? And for those evil, vile criminals that consider leaving their road-tax a week or so until they get paid before reknewing, the commercial kindly informs you (with ominous low-resonance music) that the DVLC know where you live, what car you drive and exactly how long you have left on your tax.
I feel so reassured that I'll never be killed by terrorists with all this added security and comfort.
The only thing that's been left out of this Orwellian warm-hug from your government is the fact that nothing will stop somebody if they are determined to do damaged.
September 11th 2001 proved that.
A handful of fanatics armed with box-cutters - not missiles, not weapons of mass destruction, not violent games/Tarantino movies but box cutters - achieved what Hussein with his invisible magic WOMD had never ever done (ok, so he had no desire to attack the West but hey, he had a moustache and spoke different).
So shut up and be happy. Surrender the very essence of your being, the chemical components that make up your existence, in order to stave off some in-the-future possible tragedy.
Watch your idiot television shows that pump banal effluent into your homes, read your "OK! HI! CELEBGOSSWOW!" magazines and lust for the truly pointless and trivial.
Bury your heads in the sand and blindly trust that people who sell weapons to people they later declare as evil for using those weapons.
Believe the lies and horseshit fearmongering designed to keep you servile and meek, domesticated cattle that are considered too stupid to be told what's going on until years later.
Stay indoors and swallow the Mein-Kampf like ideals of the Daily Mail who want you to hate immigrants/single mothers/homosexuals.
Whatever you do, do not rub your eyes and refuse to be kept asleep anymore.
Over a million people marched in protest of this sham invasion, the largest ever public demonstration in our country's history.
And it was ignored and written off as "leftist"
And look where we are now.
It'll get a lot worse before it gets better, that I promise.
So kids, don't forget to keep watching for the inevitable "LOOK! TERRORISTS NEARLY KILLED YOU!!!!!!" reports to shame you into docile acceptance that we're doing the right thing.
Shut up.
Be Happy.
Be inside.
Be afraid.
Be intolerant.
Be pumped full of sedative entertainment.
Be good little citizens and don't question, because it's all far too complicated for you and me to understand and see through.
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I've read some of the replies.
I don't care if people don't agree one iota
"Ah but where is your evidence?"
Excuse me but if something looks like a lie, sounds like a lie and smells like a lie then you call it what it is.
If you wait for politicians to put their hands up and say "Whoops! We weren't entirely honest about that!" then you'll die with a beard of white.
You actually demand proof of lies, underhand dealings and tacit agreements to silence the press? You refuse steadfastly to believe that we are treated like idiot children by those "in charge", then that's your right - just as it is mine to stand on a hilltop and shout about the sheer stink of things.
And it's not an anti-labour/pro-tory/anti-Bush rant either, because all governments and politicians are lying scum. It's an equal-opportunities policy of distrust and loathing for those that purport to know what's best for me.
This wasn't some attempt to convince a handful of people that actually read these forums that my views should be correct or taken as "right"
They are just my feelings and emotions on what I percieve this stupid world to be. A plea to myself written during a bout of no-sleep to not forget these things and to not give in to overwhelming stupidity and sink back into the catatonia that society tries to pass as "normal"
Yet you want proof of why I feel the way I do about the world?
This isn't a manifesto of how England should be, this isn't Goatboy running for President.
This is one person who is sick to death of being lied to, and the constant lowing of "But the proof/where are the facts/the Hutton enquiry" is really making him wish for a machinegun and groundhog day.
Proof of lies?
Admittance of backroom deals by presidents and premiers?
Don't be so goddamn stupid, there's still documents classified from WWII, you think we'll ever be treated like grownups and told the whole story?
Not likely, because we're a panicky, skittish herd that are too dangerous to rile up and have wandering the serengeti at will.
Nope, we gotta be herded in pens and force-fed on mindless trivia and lies until we're fattened and ready for the spiritual/emotional/intellectual slaughter.
Why? Why are we treated like mongoloid boxers - Too stupid to understand but powerful enough to do some damage if we realised it.
That's why we're fed a diet of celebrity gossip, gameshows and utterly mindless homogenised news stories that either try and make you frightened of the world or to raise your ire and create fear and loathing of your neighbour.
You are not allowed to make important decisions because you are too stupid to. This is why Blair refused a referendum on Europe at first, because we - The Public - might not agree with his vision of Britain.
So instead of being asked to make decisions that actually affect your life, instead you're encouraged to vote for a poptart or watch people locked in a house for however many weeks under constant surveillance.
And we lap it up. We can't get enough of this bilge.
And that's exactly how you're supposed to be. Numb and not thinking about the world.
Or, when somebody says "Hey, this is wrong" then out comes the standard "But what about X" and "There is no proof".
To borrow a quote, "How far up your ass do their d##ks have to be before you realise they're ####ing you?".
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind about the world, I'm just trying to vocalise the things that make me seethe inside.
I'm giving voice to my emotions, trying to make sense of things instead of barricading myself indoors and having faith in governments that lie, cheat, murder and steal.
I'm angry. I'm angry that I'm treated like a brain-damaged infant by the media. I'm angry that I'm expected to swallow lies the size of planets.
I'm angry that if I was content to take the 2.5 lifestyle and actually care about what Jennifer Lopez is wearing then life would be easier to tolerate.
Ignorance in Bliss.
One of the most vile truths ever.
I don't care if people don't agree one iota
"Ah but where is your evidence?"
Excuse me but if something looks like a lie, sounds like a lie and smells like a lie then you call it what it is.
If you wait for politicians to put their hands up and say "Whoops! We weren't entirely honest about that!" then you'll die with a beard of white.
You actually demand proof of lies, underhand dealings and tacit agreements to silence the press? You refuse steadfastly to believe that we are treated like idiot children by those "in charge", then that's your right - just as it is mine to stand on a hilltop and shout about the sheer stink of things.
And it's not an anti-labour/pro-tory/anti-Bush rant either, because all governments and politicians are lying scum. It's an equal-opportunities policy of distrust and loathing for those that purport to know what's best for me.
This wasn't some attempt to convince a handful of people that actually read these forums that my views should be correct or taken as "right"
They are just my feelings and emotions on what I percieve this stupid world to be. A plea to myself written during a bout of no-sleep to not forget these things and to not give in to overwhelming stupidity and sink back into the catatonia that society tries to pass as "normal"
Yet you want proof of why I feel the way I do about the world?
This isn't a manifesto of how England should be, this isn't Goatboy running for President.
This is one person who is sick to death of being lied to, and the constant lowing of "But the proof/where are the facts/the Hutton enquiry" is really making him wish for a machinegun and groundhog day.
Proof of lies?
Admittance of backroom deals by presidents and premiers?
Don't be so goddamn stupid, there's still documents classified from WWII, you think we'll ever be treated like grownups and told the whole story?
Not likely, because we're a panicky, skittish herd that are too dangerous to rile up and have wandering the serengeti at will.
Nope, we gotta be herded in pens and force-fed on mindless trivia and lies until we're fattened and ready for the spiritual/emotional/intellectual slaughter.
Why? Why are we treated like mongoloid boxers - Too stupid to understand but powerful enough to do some damage if we realised it.
That's why we're fed a diet of celebrity gossip, gameshows and utterly mindless homogenised news stories that either try and make you frightened of the world or to raise your ire and create fear and loathing of your neighbour.
You are not allowed to make important decisions because you are too stupid to. This is why Blair refused a referendum on Europe at first, because we - The Public - might not agree with his vision of Britain.
So instead of being asked to make decisions that actually affect your life, instead you're encouraged to vote for a poptart or watch people locked in a house for however many weeks under constant surveillance.
And we lap it up. We can't get enough of this bilge.
And that's exactly how you're supposed to be. Numb and not thinking about the world.
Or, when somebody says "Hey, this is wrong" then out comes the standard "But what about X" and "There is no proof".
To borrow a quote, "How far up your ass do their d##ks have to be before you realise they're ####ing you?".
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind about the world, I'm just trying to vocalise the things that make me seethe inside.
I'm giving voice to my emotions, trying to make sense of things instead of barricading myself indoors and having faith in governments that lie, cheat, murder and steal.
I'm angry. I'm angry that I'm treated like a brain-damaged infant by the media. I'm angry that I'm expected to swallow lies the size of planets.
I'm angry that if I was content to take the 2.5 lifestyle and actually care about what Jennifer Lopez is wearing then life would be easier to tolerate.
Ignorance in Bliss.
One of the most vile truths ever.
Hedfix wrote:
> Skarra mentions the 2 inquiries. Are these the same 2 enquiries that
> managed to sidestep the main questions everyone wanted answering and
> instead focused on comparatively trivial issues (like cutting the
> balls off the beeb)?
No, i believe you are refering to the Hutton report.
I was talking about the 2 seperate Parliamentary inquries, held by members of Parliament.
> Skarra mentions the 2 inquiries. Are these the same 2 enquiries that
> managed to sidestep the main questions everyone wanted answering and
> instead focused on comparatively trivial issues (like cutting the
> balls off the beeb)?
No, i believe you are refering to the Hutton report.
I was talking about the 2 seperate Parliamentary inquries, held by members of Parliament.
If we've gone to liberate,
but we've created too much hate,
don't worry, be happy.
do doo do doo doo do de do de do de do
don't worry
be happy
If the Iraqis just won't play ball,
and you taken the blame for it all,
don't worry, be happy
do doo do doo doo do de do de do de do
don't worry
be happy
That's the song I've got stuck in my head (with different lyrics of course)
but we've created too much hate,
don't worry, be happy.
do doo do doo doo do de do de do de do
don't worry
be happy
If the Iraqis just won't play ball,
and you taken the blame for it all,
don't worry, be happy
do doo do doo doo do de do de do de do
don't worry
be happy
That's the song I've got stuck in my head (with different lyrics of course)
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Grix Thraves wrote:
> Yup, I'd vote for you.
>
> The last few lines of that felt like Radiohead lyrics, heh.
>
> Well said.
I thought they sounded like the trainspotting 'choose life' rant
Shut up.
Be happy.
Buy a f***ing big television.
etc
anyway, other things:
Skarra mentions the 2 inquiries. Are these the same 2 enquiries that managed to sidestep the main questions everyone wanted answering and instead focused on comparatively trivial issues (like cutting the balls off the beeb)?
oh and who HAS actually got the weapons we sold them then?
Mabye Elaine from TV's "people on the toilet"?
> Yup, I'd vote for you.
>
> The last few lines of that felt like Radiohead lyrics, heh.
>
> Well said.
I thought they sounded like the trainspotting 'choose life' rant
Shut up.
Be happy.
Buy a f***ing big television.
etc
anyway, other things:
Skarra mentions the 2 inquiries. Are these the same 2 enquiries that managed to sidestep the main questions everyone wanted answering and instead focused on comparatively trivial issues (like cutting the balls off the beeb)?
oh and who HAS actually got the weapons we sold them then?
Mabye Elaine from TV's "people on the toilet"?
I’m sensing sarcasm. I’ll make detective no problem.
More Ice T quotes please! Stay in your homes! All persons caught breaking curfew - will. be. shot!
Excellent post there Goatboy, a great read.
Interesting post, although many of the points raised were arguments against things nobody has suggested.
In the light of Goatboy's views though, what solutions should be put forward? Leaders of a country can be as vitriolic as Goatboy in their views, but without adequate solutions nobody's gonna vote for them.
So...
1) Pull all troops out of Iraq? If we said sorry as we flew off would that be okay? Perhaps give them some money as a token too.
2) Let UN take over? This is the left wing approach to pretty much anything that requires affirmative action, but would sir Blair need to clear this Dubbya first? The US would be a bit pi$$ed if we turned our backs today. All good prime minister's know you have to keep economic friends happy.
3) As a long term solution - get more integrated with Europe so that all armed forces are under European control. That way the government can blame the bureaucrats in Brussels for everything.
In the light of Goatboy's views though, what solutions should be put forward? Leaders of a country can be as vitriolic as Goatboy in their views, but without adequate solutions nobody's gonna vote for them.
So...
1) Pull all troops out of Iraq? If we said sorry as we flew off would that be okay? Perhaps give them some money as a token too.
2) Let UN take over? This is the left wing approach to pretty much anything that requires affirmative action, but would sir Blair need to clear this Dubbya first? The US would be a bit pi$$ed if we turned our backs today. All good prime minister's know you have to keep economic friends happy.
3) As a long term solution - get more integrated with Europe so that all armed forces are under European control. That way the government can blame the bureaucrats in Brussels for everything.
Indeed, well said.
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