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Very interesting story I saw on BBC last night, I'll post their story from the website here.
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
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Are you a Christian?
Revelations seems like a horoscope to me tbh. It can be interpereted in loads of ways. all of this nitty gritty religious stuff is a load of pants. Basically all you have to do is "love God with all your heart and all your soul. And treat others as you want to be treated" I dunno the book chapter or verse of that and its just from memmory so you might want to correct it. Any extra things you do is just a bonus really, but non-esential.
Geffdof wrote:
> Why does it have to be a chip. The bible doesnt say its a chip. It
> could be a barcode on your hand or head?
It doesn't have to be a chip - no, but the technology is avaible for chips and that looks the most popular choice.
> Why does it have to be a chip. The bible doesnt say its a chip. It
> could be a barcode on your hand or head?
It doesn't have to be a chip - no, but the technology is avaible for chips and that looks the most popular choice.
Why does it have to be a chip. The bible doesnt say its a chip. It could be a barcode on your hand or head?
Except the chip will be implanted in the right hand or forehead which current credit cards aren't.
Now that ive reread the bible quote about this ive remembered something i was told years ago.
Go and find something with a barcode on it. This only work on about 98% of them tho so dont moan if you have a dodgy barcode.
Count the number of digits in each group across the bottom. Then count the number of lines that are longer than the other lines.
There are 2 groups of 6 numbers across the bottom and 6 long lines, i.e. 666 on a barcode. And you cant buy or sell without a barcode so maybe that is what the bible thing is refering to rather than a magic chipy thingo.
Go and find something with a barcode on it. This only work on about 98% of them tho so dont moan if you have a dodgy barcode.
Count the number of digits in each group across the bottom. Then count the number of lines that are longer than the other lines.
There are 2 groups of 6 numbers across the bottom and 6 long lines, i.e. 666 on a barcode. And you cant buy or sell without a barcode so maybe that is what the bible thing is refering to rather than a magic chipy thingo.
Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
> They need to be noticed if they are to stand up and scan their
> forehead or simply scan their right hand.
>
> Forest Fan - They would not need to be noticed. If they were inserted
> into the hand, then simply moving the hand over the scanner would be
> sufficient.
>
> Or are you thinking that they should all display
> Switch/Visa/Mastercard logos?
They won't be particularly noticable. Just a small dent on your right hand or forehead - no bigger then a large vein.
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
> They need to be noticed if they are to stand up and scan their
> forehead or simply scan their right hand.
>
> Forest Fan - They would not need to be noticed. If they were inserted
> into the hand, then simply moving the hand over the scanner would be
> sufficient.
>
> Or are you thinking that they should all display
> Switch/Visa/Mastercard logos?
They won't be particularly noticable. Just a small dent on your right hand or forehead - no bigger then a large vein.
Quinty wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
>
> What simple fact?
>
> People pay for things through credit cards why in the name of lord
> (Ahar) would you have to get you're forehead scanned?
>
> No wonder you have no social life - you're a rik.
The fact that credit cards are scanned and are placed on the counter.
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
>
> What simple fact?
>
> People pay for things through credit cards why in the name of lord
> (Ahar) would you have to get you're forehead scanned?
>
> No wonder you have no social life - you're a rik.
The fact that credit cards are scanned and are placed on the counter.
I support ID Cards.
The MPs who oppose it must have something to hide.
The MPs who oppose it must have something to hide.
Forest Fan wrote:
> They need to be noticed if they are to stand up and scan their
> forehead or simply scan their right hand.
Forest Fan - They would not need to be noticed. If they were inserted into the hand, then simply moving the hand over the scanner would be sufficient.
Or are you thinking that they should all display Switch/Visa/Mastercard logos?
> They need to be noticed if they are to stand up and scan their
> forehead or simply scan their right hand.
Forest Fan - They would not need to be noticed. If they were inserted into the hand, then simply moving the hand over the scanner would be sufficient.
Or are you thinking that they should all display Switch/Visa/Mastercard logos?
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