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Mon 16/02/04 at 22:46
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I don't believe in it. Not because I am against it, as I am not. Not because I believe in any other religion, because I do not. But because I refuse to be so narrow minded to believe that a book authored over 2000 years ago holds all the answers I 'need' to all the questions I may have.

I am not going to go about my normal way of criticising paragraphs from the book, as many christians interpret various passages in their own ways. Instead I am going to tell you how I feel about Christianity, and the reasons behind it, which I'm sure is more enlightening than "If you look at this, you will see that it contradicts that"

I see religion as a way of controlling the many. It primarily teaches about leading a good life, with the reasoning being that you enter the kingdom of God, Heaven. However, if you ignore the teachings, you go to hell, where you will suffer for your sins.

This is all good in theory, but in the middle ages, the church used it to make a heck of a lot of money, and acted as a power. "Touch the bones of a saint" = money. "confess your sins" = money. And in the time that this was a large business, Christians were very fearful of going to hell.

They considered new ideas and technology as being witchcraft, and so murdered innocent people as a sinless way of finding out if they were witches or not by using rather illogical methods which even the Christians reading this now would consider as rediculous.

But Christianity has also always been about competition, which again is a sin. Catholic and protestant christians have fought over which is the correct way to worship their god for hundreds of years, and in Ireland especially, the conflict still goes on today. "Love thy neighbour" is totally thrown out the window and replaced with, "If you can't teach them, beat them."

My main reason for not believing in christianity is the argument which has also been going on for hundreds of years. Religion vs Science
"The Earth was created in 6 days" Vs "The Earth was formed over 4 billion years"
"God created man in his own image" Vs "Humans evolved from Apes which evolved from..."
I choose the 'facts' of science as being correct. Others choose that of Christianity. There's nothing wrong with that. Most Christians choose the bible's teachings as being true as it is more comfortable for them to do so.
I however choose science because science isn't afraid to say, "We were wrong, we have actually discovered with evidence that..."
I see science as being the more open minded approach. Sure, I don't believe everything science tells me. After all, science told is only as good as the scientist.

The main advantage Christianity has is that, if followed the correct way, it teaches people to respect others, to lead a good life. However, I don't see any disadvantage to the narrowminded portion of christians in opening their minds to new ideas.

After all, if God really exists - how come he only decided to start teaching the world withing the last 2000/3000 years?
Why would other cultures worship other gods?

These are my main feelings towards Christianity - as you see: None of hate, none of disgust, just observations and my choice not to believe in Christianity.

If any points offend you - then let me know why, for I am interested to know. If you wish to question anything about what I have said, let me know, for I am curious to know what you think.
Mon 23/02/04 at 10:50
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Well put Edgy.

The best way to look at the Bible is as eye-witness account evidence of what people saw of "God" and his works.
And you can learn from it.

The thing is, when people start believing in it absolutely, word for word, and narrow-mindedly ignoring anything else, that's when it becomes stupid.
Sun 22/02/04 at 21:17
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"Not a Jew"
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"Faith: not wanting to know what is true."
- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
Sun 22/02/04 at 19:22
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"I am Bumf Ucked"
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The Ontological argument is rubbish.

The Teleogical agrument is good.
Sun 22/02/04 at 17:57
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Mass religion just doesn't work - people can't all be expected to act the same, it just won't happen.
Only when bettering yourself is the key, or being a generally nice person - rather than confessing that you said a naughty word to a shrouded something - does religion work.

To me, it all boils down to believing in yourself, not some God you've never seen.
Sun 22/02/04 at 16:51
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I aggree with most of your points but I do feel that those who believe are more content with life in general.

Quoting part of your post "but in the middle ages, the church used it to make a heck of a lot of money, and acted as a power" may I add: don't they still?

And again, "The main advantage Christianity has is that, if followed the correct way, it teaches people to respect others, to lead a good life. However, I don't see any disadvantage to the narrowminded portion of christians in opening their minds to new ideas."

How true.

Maybe we are not Christians but to take the basics as a way of life would be a good thing.
Tue 17/02/04 at 21:39
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Christianity and all religions, and all spiritual belief-systems in general should be soley about inner self-transformation and not about truth or facts: if they were just concerned with inner self-transformation then they would be thoroughly worthwhile, but as it is Christianity proclaims to be about truth, the one truth, the one way, and thus is digging its own grave.

(That was a big unnessarily snakelike sentence.)
Mon 16/02/04 at 23:05
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"twothousandandtits"
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I read what you have to say, and you sum up some of my qualms with the religion.

I find it utterly hypocritical. It teaches to love thy neighbour, to forgive, and yet at death we are apparently not forgiven, but sent to Hell to rot in eternal damnation. Unless, of course, you get a member of the Church to help you out....

The story of Adam and Eve is so riddled with problems that most Christians have had to regard it as a metaphor.

Let's not forget the scheming ways of Christianity in the past - moving their religious festivals to try and envelope Pagan religions etc.

I don't mind the basic goodwill message, but hold the crap, please.
Mon 16/02/04 at 22:46
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Posts: 15,681
I don't believe in it. Not because I am against it, as I am not. Not because I believe in any other religion, because I do not. But because I refuse to be so narrow minded to believe that a book authored over 2000 years ago holds all the answers I 'need' to all the questions I may have.

I am not going to go about my normal way of criticising paragraphs from the book, as many christians interpret various passages in their own ways. Instead I am going to tell you how I feel about Christianity, and the reasons behind it, which I'm sure is more enlightening than "If you look at this, you will see that it contradicts that"

I see religion as a way of controlling the many. It primarily teaches about leading a good life, with the reasoning being that you enter the kingdom of God, Heaven. However, if you ignore the teachings, you go to hell, where you will suffer for your sins.

This is all good in theory, but in the middle ages, the church used it to make a heck of a lot of money, and acted as a power. "Touch the bones of a saint" = money. "confess your sins" = money. And in the time that this was a large business, Christians were very fearful of going to hell.

They considered new ideas and technology as being witchcraft, and so murdered innocent people as a sinless way of finding out if they were witches or not by using rather illogical methods which even the Christians reading this now would consider as rediculous.

But Christianity has also always been about competition, which again is a sin. Catholic and protestant christians have fought over which is the correct way to worship their god for hundreds of years, and in Ireland especially, the conflict still goes on today. "Love thy neighbour" is totally thrown out the window and replaced with, "If you can't teach them, beat them."

My main reason for not believing in christianity is the argument which has also been going on for hundreds of years. Religion vs Science
"The Earth was created in 6 days" Vs "The Earth was formed over 4 billion years"
"God created man in his own image" Vs "Humans evolved from Apes which evolved from..."
I choose the 'facts' of science as being correct. Others choose that of Christianity. There's nothing wrong with that. Most Christians choose the bible's teachings as being true as it is more comfortable for them to do so.
I however choose science because science isn't afraid to say, "We were wrong, we have actually discovered with evidence that..."
I see science as being the more open minded approach. Sure, I don't believe everything science tells me. After all, science told is only as good as the scientist.

The main advantage Christianity has is that, if followed the correct way, it teaches people to respect others, to lead a good life. However, I don't see any disadvantage to the narrowminded portion of christians in opening their minds to new ideas.

After all, if God really exists - how come he only decided to start teaching the world withing the last 2000/3000 years?
Why would other cultures worship other gods?

These are my main feelings towards Christianity - as you see: None of hate, none of disgust, just observations and my choice not to believe in Christianity.

If any points offend you - then let me know why, for I am interested to know. If you wish to question anything about what I have said, let me know, for I am curious to know what you think.

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