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I found this post on the SR website what do you all think about it:
Napster has recently attempted to filter its content, removing a list of copyrighted files supplied by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) to comply with a recent court injunction. Although it is believed that the number of shared files has halved, record companies are still not happy that a large number are slipping through the net.
The software was developed by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) and acts by mimicking a number of popular file-sharing clients as well as IRC chatrooms and newsgroups to catalogue a list of shared tracks, the file sharer's IP address, the name of their ISP and the time the file was downloaded. They can then build up a list of file sharers, their profiles and their usage patterns. The system can go back to known user's machines for follow up reports. It could then send instant Cease and Desist orders to repeat users and host ISPs and could be used to launch subsequent legal action. Scary.
The Simian Sleuth
Personally I think I'll have to download my music at my local library, they can send them the Cease and Desist orders. In any event by the sound of the above article, unless someone is warned prior to download that
a-The music is copyrighted
b-That all this info is being collected, etc
Then wouldnt this be classed as "Entrapment" and therefore be useless legally???
Napster has recently attempted to filter its content, removing a list of copyrighted files supplied by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) to comply with a recent court injunction. Although it is believed that the number of shared files has halved, record companies are still not happy that a large number are slipping through the net.
The software was developed by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) and acts by mimicking a number of popular file-sharing clients as well as IRC chatrooms and newsgroups to catalogue a list of shared tracks, the file sharer's IP address, the name of their ISP and the time the file was downloaded. They can then build up a list of file sharers, their profiles and their usage patterns. The system can go back to known user's machines for follow up reports. It could then send instant Cease and Desist orders to repeat users and host ISPs and could be used to launch subsequent legal action. Scary.
The Simian Sleuth
Personally I think I'll have to download my music at my local library, they can send them the Cease and Desist orders. In any event by the sound of the above article, unless someone is warned prior to download that
a-The music is copyrighted
b-That all this info is being collected, etc
Then wouldnt this be classed as "Entrapment" and therefore be useless legally???
Napster may now be filtering their content, but many people have found an easy way around it. Pig Latin.
Downloaded any itneybay pearssay lately?
Downloaded any itneybay pearssay lately?
"do you think he regularly scans our hard drives when were typing away???"
(Are you joking? He hardly ever reads the winning post!)
;0)
(Are you joking? He hardly ever reads the winning post!)
;0)
Ive watched too many episodes of the X-files and Hate big brother watching me. But seriously guys how much do you think "Ali knows???", do you think he regularly scans our hard drives when were typing away???
Wookies right for security its OK to monitor peoples use of the internet, but when its just to make someone richer it has to be wrong.
Wookies right for security its OK to monitor peoples use of the internet, but when its just to make someone richer it has to be wrong.
Yep, CD-Wow are good :-)
Regarding 'spying', technically it's not spying. Those particular tracking measures exist at most sites, chatrooms, Napster, news sites, sports sites....
Your IP address is tracked for a reason, the protection of other net users.
Say that someone continually abused you in these forums, the IP address 'should' be recorded somewhere of the abusive user, and that IP address is simply reported to the ISP provider that it relates to, and it's down to the ISP to instigate the appropriate measures.
Unfortunately, at present the ISPs do not take as much action as most users would like (for example AOL, they have a system in place to prevent spammers, and many people make use of it, but spam just seems to be on the increase.)
Regarding 'spying', technically it's not spying. Those particular tracking measures exist at most sites, chatrooms, Napster, news sites, sports sites....
Your IP address is tracked for a reason, the protection of other net users.
Say that someone continually abused you in these forums, the IP address 'should' be recorded somewhere of the abusive user, and that IP address is simply reported to the ISP provider that it relates to, and it's down to the ISP to instigate the appropriate measures.
Unfortunately, at present the ISPs do not take as much action as most users would like (for example AOL, they have a system in place to prevent spammers, and many people make use of it, but spam just seems to be on the increase.)
> Do you think its right to spy in this manner?
For governments and reasons of national security, yes I believe it is justified in some cases.
In the case of the music industry, where the only real consequence is that a few fat cats won't get quite as fat as they otherwise might, no I don't. Considering the money that they are supposedly losing, I don't see too many singers or record company employees struggling to make a living!
If music 'piracy' stopped tomorrow and they actually did get all this 'lost' money, they's all be far richer than they already are; and I bet CD's still wouldn't come down in price.
Incidentally, do you know of CD-WOW? http://www.cd-wow.com
Chart CD's (legitimate CD's, not copies) for £8.99 - they don't have everything, but they have most popular stuff. I and several friends have ordered from them, and the service is great. Highly recommended.
For governments and reasons of national security, yes I believe it is justified in some cases.
In the case of the music industry, where the only real consequence is that a few fat cats won't get quite as fat as they otherwise might, no I don't. Considering the money that they are supposedly losing, I don't see too many singers or record company employees struggling to make a living!
If music 'piracy' stopped tomorrow and they actually did get all this 'lost' money, they's all be far richer than they already are; and I bet CD's still wouldn't come down in price.
Incidentally, do you know of CD-WOW? http://www.cd-wow.com
Chart CD's (legitimate CD's, not copies) for £8.99 - they don't have everything, but they have most popular stuff. I and several friends have ordered from them, and the service is great. Highly recommended.
I agree I think we get taxed far to much on everything, Petrol Tax being the most rediculous. But you could add The TV license(which is a tax effectively), Council Tax, Car Tax, and a number of other taxes to that list.
The problem with Britain is most of our Tax goes to Government and Councillors..the idiots who continually spend money on London based White Elephant projects like the Dome while neglecting the rest of the country. The same idiots who think Air Traffic control should be privatised like the trains, the post office and the phone service. When will they realise some services arent supposed to make a profit! I dont know Government here is a joke.
Did you see the TV program a few weeks back showing the running of a council in a town that was flooded recently. Basically 7 out of 8 arogant councillors ignored the public saying they couldnt justify the increased council spending on flood defences as it may put a few of them out of work (boo hoo!).
As for Foot and Mouth why didnt they just vacinate all animals apart from beeding stock from the start of the foot and mouth Crisis?
The farmers would then still have been able to keep their breeding stock(i.e. their livelyhoods) and the spread of this epidemic would have been brought under control quickly.
Anyway enough of my hatred of politicians, the same idiots who create laws that allow companies to spy on us like in my original question.
Do you think its right to spy in this manner?
The problem with Britain is most of our Tax goes to Government and Councillors..the idiots who continually spend money on London based White Elephant projects like the Dome while neglecting the rest of the country. The same idiots who think Air Traffic control should be privatised like the trains, the post office and the phone service. When will they realise some services arent supposed to make a profit! I dont know Government here is a joke.
Did you see the TV program a few weeks back showing the running of a council in a town that was flooded recently. Basically 7 out of 8 arogant councillors ignored the public saying they couldnt justify the increased council spending on flood defences as it may put a few of them out of work (boo hoo!).
As for Foot and Mouth why didnt they just vacinate all animals apart from beeding stock from the start of the foot and mouth Crisis?
The farmers would then still have been able to keep their breeding stock(i.e. their livelyhoods) and the spread of this epidemic would have been brought under control quickly.
Anyway enough of my hatred of politicians, the same idiots who create laws that allow companies to spy on us like in my original question.
Do you think its right to spy in this manner?
> wouldnt this be classed as "Entrapment" and therefore be
> useless legally???
Depends on the quirks of the law I suppose. It could be classed as entrapment, but then 99% of people probably already know that music is copyright anyway, and that they shouldn't be downloading it!
Anyway, this brings up the old argument that CD's should be cheaper. The public say 'yes', the industry say 'we can't lower the price because of illegal copying'.
The music industry won't lower CD prices because of copying, and the public won't stop copying until the price comes down. Instant Catch-22.
Though I do have two or three copied CD's, most of my 150+ CD collection is legit. I don't like being told, though, that *I* am 'robbing' the artist by copying a CD, when I see the huge share of the profit that goes to the record company and not the artist!
It's a bit like the tax on petrol... the government shouldn't be telling the oil companies to lower prices when, by cutting the tax by 50% the government could drastically lower the price of petrol AND still make some money off of it.
Anyway, this is getting too political for me now! :-)
I have all of my CD's converted to MP3, and they amount to just under 4Gb of data! Anyone wanna by a CD? Only a fiver... ;-)
> useless legally???
Depends on the quirks of the law I suppose. It could be classed as entrapment, but then 99% of people probably already know that music is copyright anyway, and that they shouldn't be downloading it!
Anyway, this brings up the old argument that CD's should be cheaper. The public say 'yes', the industry say 'we can't lower the price because of illegal copying'.
The music industry won't lower CD prices because of copying, and the public won't stop copying until the price comes down. Instant Catch-22.
Though I do have two or three copied CD's, most of my 150+ CD collection is legit. I don't like being told, though, that *I* am 'robbing' the artist by copying a CD, when I see the huge share of the profit that goes to the record company and not the artist!
It's a bit like the tax on petrol... the government shouldn't be telling the oil companies to lower prices when, by cutting the tax by 50% the government could drastically lower the price of petrol AND still make some money off of it.
Anyway, this is getting too political for me now! :-)
I have all of my CD's converted to MP3, and they amount to just under 4Gb of data! Anyone wanna by a CD? Only a fiver... ;-)
I found this post on the SR website what do you all think about it:
Napster has recently attempted to filter its content, removing a list of copyrighted files supplied by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) to comply with a recent court injunction. Although it is believed that the number of shared files has halved, record companies are still not happy that a large number are slipping through the net.
The software was developed by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) and acts by mimicking a number of popular file-sharing clients as well as IRC chatrooms and newsgroups to catalogue a list of shared tracks, the file sharer's IP address, the name of their ISP and the time the file was downloaded. They can then build up a list of file sharers, their profiles and their usage patterns. The system can go back to known user's machines for follow up reports. It could then send instant Cease and Desist orders to repeat users and host ISPs and could be used to launch subsequent legal action. Scary.
The Simian Sleuth
Personally I think I'll have to download my music at my local library, they can send them the Cease and Desist orders. In any event by the sound of the above article, unless someone is warned prior to download that
a-The music is copyrighted
b-That all this info is being collected, etc
Then wouldnt this be classed as "Entrapment" and therefore be useless legally???
Napster has recently attempted to filter its content, removing a list of copyrighted files supplied by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) to comply with a recent court injunction. Although it is believed that the number of shared files has halved, record companies are still not happy that a large number are slipping through the net.
The software was developed by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) and acts by mimicking a number of popular file-sharing clients as well as IRC chatrooms and newsgroups to catalogue a list of shared tracks, the file sharer's IP address, the name of their ISP and the time the file was downloaded. They can then build up a list of file sharers, their profiles and their usage patterns. The system can go back to known user's machines for follow up reports. It could then send instant Cease and Desist orders to repeat users and host ISPs and could be used to launch subsequent legal action. Scary.
The Simian Sleuth
Personally I think I'll have to download my music at my local library, they can send them the Cease and Desist orders. In any event by the sound of the above article, unless someone is warned prior to download that
a-The music is copyrighted
b-That all this info is being collected, etc
Then wouldnt this be classed as "Entrapment" and therefore be useless legally???