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Speed-Cameras - we ALL hate them! Whether you're driving yet or not; or even if you still haven't been caught by one; you simply do not like them one single-bit.
The "idea" of catching criminals in the act and being able to punish them at the same time is clearly there, but, where a speed-camera isn't as discreetly-hidden in one-area as it is in another, the average speeding-motorist will simply apply pressure to the brake-pedal when he sees that yellow-colour, before `breaking the law´ again once he (or she) is clear of that camera's range.
The fact is - and I'm sure many of you will agree - that while speed cameras are good at catching speeders in some of the `hot-spots´ for the average Boy-Racer, no matter how many there now are around England-alone, they cannot be EVERYWHERE at once; catching ALL the other driving offences that go-on, throughout daily-life, un-noticed as the driver gets away with it, again.
Nobody likes them, for so-many reasons. No-one at all (unless you're part of the Goverment, of course, and you're on the "recieving end" of the thousands-of-pounds earnt in fines, every-day). The average driver is always trying to think-up a new "solution" to the ever-growing problem of law-breaking motorists, but no matter how-good an idea may seem to be, it doesn't seem like it's going to get anywhere, with the Tony Blair and co. so seemingly "happy" with the current system in-place.
But the fact is, something DOES have to be done about it. Speed-cameras alone are just not good-enough. They claim to make the roads a "safer" place, and yet, we still see a large-number of accidents happen all-over the country, with fatalities - many of which ARE speeding-related - proving to be almost as regular as ever (just check your local news regularly, if you don't believe me). But, so-many ideas... So-many possibillities.... Which is the right-one?
Now, I doubt I've even heard half of `everyone's´ alternative-solution to the speed-camears, but on the TV last-week (sorry, I didn't notice what show or even channel it was on), I heard what seemed to be a very-good idea using on-foot Policemen on-watch; a system that is already in-place - and proving to be a success - in other European countries (but, again, I cannot recall which ones were mentioned).
We all know the situation with Police in this country - far-too-many breaking-through with so-little work actually being given to do. And so, with "record-numbers", going well-past the 1,000-mark now available in England and Wales, there would surely enough available to have one-man for every-camera on the roads, today.
Quantity is not a problem. And I don't think this idea's as `poorly-thought-out´ as others have been, either.
I mean, more Police on the road... Isn't that something everybody's been wanting to see for years now? Not only would these "sitting-ducks" (armed with those speed-guns, of course) be able to catch the speeders as they passed them by, but eyes would also be open to spot other crimes going on around them... As for wages, I'm sure they've made more-than-enough from speed-cameras, already! And with the right technology - which I'm sure, in today's day-and-age, cannot be be too-hard to get - a lot more of those "brakers" and "dangerous-drivers" (usually in white transit-vans, as I'm sure you know...) would get-away with a lot-less than they do now.
Late-night/Early-morning alchoholics who'd had several-too-many, but still deemed themselves fit-enough to drive-home, would actually be notcied by the `eye´ of a man, drifting all-over the road - something no `camera-lens´ can pick-up, if he's well-below the speed-limit... No more "kool"-racers with their front fog-lights blinding all oncoming traffic in clear daylight... And with more people likely to actually STICK to the given limits more often, I bet we'd see less casualties related to accidents at pedestrian crossings and junctions, since they'd now `notice´ them.
In short; I'm sure the roads would be a much safer place (just like they claimed that place on the TV programe to be, as one of the "safest places to drive in Europe").
We have the numbers to compensate for the number of speed-cameras on the roads, today - and it'll still be growing, over the coming years (heck, we could even have 4-or-5 at each site)... We have an idea that, as proven abroad, does work... And every driver who did, then, get caught-in-the-act would have very-little to argue about, under the gaze of an authoritable human-eye....
So, aside from the obvious fact that they'll have to lose more money, why can't our "useless" Goverment do something good (for once) and implement a crime-stopping system like this, which, as already proven, does work?!?
No, I'm not a driver yet. The L-plates are still on my Ford Escort and I've already failed my driving test TWICE, now, within the past 4 months! I may not have been caught speeding (yet!), but even in my lessons, I've seen some real IDIOTS on the road doing some of the most-stupid and dengerous things on the road; yet, they don't get caught, and could've caused so-much chaos, `if´...
And, to tell you the truth, I often dread the thought of driving-alone, once I've passed my test. Not because I'm new or anything (even though I live in Bristol), but because of things like speed-cameras; how they do and DON'T work that-well, and how anybody is vulnerable.
They should stop thinking about themlelves for a change, and try to do something beneficial (like this) that'll be good for all those lives lost they're supposed to be protecting.
The "idea" of catching criminals in the act and being able to punish them at the same time is clearly there, but, where a speed-camera isn't as discreetly-hidden in one-area as it is in another, the average speeding-motorist will simply apply pressure to the brake-pedal when he sees that yellow-colour, before `breaking the law´ again once he (or she) is clear of that camera's range.
The fact is - and I'm sure many of you will agree - that while speed cameras are good at catching speeders in some of the `hot-spots´ for the average Boy-Racer, no matter how many there now are around England-alone, they cannot be EVERYWHERE at once; catching ALL the other driving offences that go-on, throughout daily-life, un-noticed as the driver gets away with it, again.
Nobody likes them, for so-many reasons. No-one at all (unless you're part of the Goverment, of course, and you're on the "recieving end" of the thousands-of-pounds earnt in fines, every-day). The average driver is always trying to think-up a new "solution" to the ever-growing problem of law-breaking motorists, but no matter how-good an idea may seem to be, it doesn't seem like it's going to get anywhere, with the Tony Blair and co. so seemingly "happy" with the current system in-place.
But the fact is, something DOES have to be done about it. Speed-cameras alone are just not good-enough. They claim to make the roads a "safer" place, and yet, we still see a large-number of accidents happen all-over the country, with fatalities - many of which ARE speeding-related - proving to be almost as regular as ever (just check your local news regularly, if you don't believe me). But, so-many ideas... So-many possibillities.... Which is the right-one?
Now, I doubt I've even heard half of `everyone's´ alternative-solution to the speed-camears, but on the TV last-week (sorry, I didn't notice what show or even channel it was on), I heard what seemed to be a very-good idea using on-foot Policemen on-watch; a system that is already in-place - and proving to be a success - in other European countries (but, again, I cannot recall which ones were mentioned).
We all know the situation with Police in this country - far-too-many breaking-through with so-little work actually being given to do. And so, with "record-numbers", going well-past the 1,000-mark now available in England and Wales, there would surely enough available to have one-man for every-camera on the roads, today.
Quantity is not a problem. And I don't think this idea's as `poorly-thought-out´ as others have been, either.
I mean, more Police on the road... Isn't that something everybody's been wanting to see for years now? Not only would these "sitting-ducks" (armed with those speed-guns, of course) be able to catch the speeders as they passed them by, but eyes would also be open to spot other crimes going on around them... As for wages, I'm sure they've made more-than-enough from speed-cameras, already! And with the right technology - which I'm sure, in today's day-and-age, cannot be be too-hard to get - a lot more of those "brakers" and "dangerous-drivers" (usually in white transit-vans, as I'm sure you know...) would get-away with a lot-less than they do now.
Late-night/Early-morning alchoholics who'd had several-too-many, but still deemed themselves fit-enough to drive-home, would actually be notcied by the `eye´ of a man, drifting all-over the road - something no `camera-lens´ can pick-up, if he's well-below the speed-limit... No more "kool"-racers with their front fog-lights blinding all oncoming traffic in clear daylight... And with more people likely to actually STICK to the given limits more often, I bet we'd see less casualties related to accidents at pedestrian crossings and junctions, since they'd now `notice´ them.
In short; I'm sure the roads would be a much safer place (just like they claimed that place on the TV programe to be, as one of the "safest places to drive in Europe").
We have the numbers to compensate for the number of speed-cameras on the roads, today - and it'll still be growing, over the coming years (heck, we could even have 4-or-5 at each site)... We have an idea that, as proven abroad, does work... And every driver who did, then, get caught-in-the-act would have very-little to argue about, under the gaze of an authoritable human-eye....
So, aside from the obvious fact that they'll have to lose more money, why can't our "useless" Goverment do something good (for once) and implement a crime-stopping system like this, which, as already proven, does work?!?
No, I'm not a driver yet. The L-plates are still on my Ford Escort and I've already failed my driving test TWICE, now, within the past 4 months! I may not have been caught speeding (yet!), but even in my lessons, I've seen some real IDIOTS on the road doing some of the most-stupid and dengerous things on the road; yet, they don't get caught, and could've caused so-much chaos, `if´...
And, to tell you the truth, I often dread the thought of driving-alone, once I've passed my test. Not because I'm new or anything (even though I live in Bristol), but because of things like speed-cameras; how they do and DON'T work that-well, and how anybody is vulnerable.
They should stop thinking about themlelves for a change, and try to do something beneficial (like this) that'll be good for all those lives lost they're supposed to be protecting.
Very_Metal wrote:
> hmmm, i disagree there, it's 50cm from the edge of the wing mirror so
> the car would be about a foot and a half out from the kerb. consider
> that the taught driving position is 3 feet from the kerb and you can
> kinda see their point on this.
It was definitely to the wing mirror? I thought it was to the wheel.
That does change the potential seriousness of the problem, but I still see it as a stealth tax.
> hmmm, i disagree there, it's 50cm from the edge of the wing mirror so
> the car would be about a foot and a half out from the kerb. consider
> that the taught driving position is 3 feet from the kerb and you can
> kinda see their point on this.
It was definitely to the wing mirror? I thought it was to the wheel.
That does change the potential seriousness of the problem, but I still see it as a stealth tax.
Gaddafi Duck wrote:
> On a slightly related thing,
> did anyone hear about the plans for fines (upto £100) for
> parking over 50cm from the curb today?
i caught that, i thought it was a joke to start with... then realised, this truly is "little" Britain.
> In the past, I've been all for hitting bad drivers with plenty of
> fines and points, but I think the government have gone too far this
> time.
what's next??
higher road tax for red cars??
i got pulled over and almost fined once for (ready?) "having a loud exhaust" by some "nothing-to-do" coppers. i argued my way out of it by pointing out that a 1972 aircooled vw van was BOUND to be louder than a modern car, because of both advancements in technology, but also differences (air cooling compared to water) and if they were going to stop me, then i suggested they drive the extra mile up the road to where all the boy racers sit round with their INTENTIONAL huge exhausts that sound like semi-automatic cannons and nab them too.
they let me off. but still, planks.
> In the first place, it's a fairly minor offence, 50 cm isn't really
> that much.
hmmm, i disagree there, it's 50cm from the edge of the wing mirror so the car would be about a foot and a half out from the kerb. consider that the taught driving position is 3 feet from the kerb and you can kinda see their point on this.
> Maybe on narrow roads, but with most roads it's no
> problem.
ah but a lot of cities are planning on adding bus lanes all over the place, runing alongside the regular lane. they've just done it in my town and it's rubbish, there's no room anymore. crappy idea, but still being done :-\
> Any law like this would have to be enforced with a *huge*
> degree of flexibility, discretion and common sense. Given that it'd
> be enforced by traffic wardens, I don't see that happening.
agreed.
it certainly does smack of being just another way for the government to make money out of us. but then, we seem to be a nation of small, petty rules :(
> On a slightly related thing,
> did anyone hear about the plans for fines (upto £100) for
> parking over 50cm from the curb today?
i caught that, i thought it was a joke to start with... then realised, this truly is "little" Britain.
> In the past, I've been all for hitting bad drivers with plenty of
> fines and points, but I think the government have gone too far this
> time.
what's next??
higher road tax for red cars??
i got pulled over and almost fined once for (ready?) "having a loud exhaust" by some "nothing-to-do" coppers. i argued my way out of it by pointing out that a 1972 aircooled vw van was BOUND to be louder than a modern car, because of both advancements in technology, but also differences (air cooling compared to water) and if they were going to stop me, then i suggested they drive the extra mile up the road to where all the boy racers sit round with their INTENTIONAL huge exhausts that sound like semi-automatic cannons and nab them too.
they let me off. but still, planks.
> In the first place, it's a fairly minor offence, 50 cm isn't really
> that much.
hmmm, i disagree there, it's 50cm from the edge of the wing mirror so the car would be about a foot and a half out from the kerb. consider that the taught driving position is 3 feet from the kerb and you can kinda see their point on this.
> Maybe on narrow roads, but with most roads it's no
> problem.
ah but a lot of cities are planning on adding bus lanes all over the place, runing alongside the regular lane. they've just done it in my town and it's rubbish, there's no room anymore. crappy idea, but still being done :-\
> Any law like this would have to be enforced with a *huge*
> degree of flexibility, discretion and common sense. Given that it'd
> be enforced by traffic wardens, I don't see that happening.
agreed.
it certainly does smack of being just another way for the government to make money out of us. but then, we seem to be a nation of small, petty rules :(
On a slightly related thing,
did anyone hear about the plans for fines (upto £100) for parking over 50cm from the curb today?
In the past, I've been all for hitting bad drivers with plenty of fines and points, but I think the government have gone too far this time.
In the first place, it's a fairly minor offence, 50 cm isn't really that much. Maybe on narrow roads, but with most roads it's no problem. Any law like this would have to be enforced with a *huge* degree of flexibility, discretion and common sense. Given that it'd be enforced by traffic wardens, I don't see that happening.
Secondly - if someone's a bad driver, a serious problem to have them on the roads, then they should be penalised. Fines can be part of that, but if they shouldn't be on the road, then their punishment has to envolve awarding license points, to get them off the road if they accumulate too many (ie, are too bad drivers).
If they aren't bad enough to get driving license points, they must be good enough to be on the road, so fines are unjustified.
Thus given that these measures fine without docking licence points, they're unjustified and are exposed as a stealth tax for a sleazy dishonest government.
did anyone hear about the plans for fines (upto £100) for parking over 50cm from the curb today?
In the past, I've been all for hitting bad drivers with plenty of fines and points, but I think the government have gone too far this time.
In the first place, it's a fairly minor offence, 50 cm isn't really that much. Maybe on narrow roads, but with most roads it's no problem. Any law like this would have to be enforced with a *huge* degree of flexibility, discretion and common sense. Given that it'd be enforced by traffic wardens, I don't see that happening.
Secondly - if someone's a bad driver, a serious problem to have them on the roads, then they should be penalised. Fines can be part of that, but if they shouldn't be on the road, then their punishment has to envolve awarding license points, to get them off the road if they accumulate too many (ie, are too bad drivers).
If they aren't bad enough to get driving license points, they must be good enough to be on the road, so fines are unjustified.
Thus given that these measures fine without docking licence points, they're unjustified and are exposed as a stealth tax for a sleazy dishonest government.
I, too, have noticed a lot-more Police on the streets, recently...
But, is this only because it is Christmas and New Year's time?
Will they still be around through the Spring, Summer and Autumn months, when street-crime is supposed to be somewhat "less" of a threat??
But, is this only because it is Christmas and New Year's time?
Will they still be around through the Spring, Summer and Autumn months, when street-crime is supposed to be somewhat "less" of a threat??
It's a good idea, but 'on foot' policemen can come under fire a lot easier and when they catch speeding motorists there is a lot more paperwork. Plus the fact that those caught by the police rather than cameras have more of a chance to argue against their fine as there is less proof than having a picture.
But it is certainly a good idea to have more police on the beat. I feel that something needs to be done about the way they are treated and thought of first (and, yes, I know there needs to be a cleanup of some police forces as well). How do you make people respect the police rather than ridicule them?
On the subject, I have noticed a lot more policemen and women on the streets recently, they are always friendly and help people out if they are lost or need to know something, as well as being on hand to stop some petty crimes (or prevent them from happening altogether just by being there).
But it is certainly a good idea to have more police on the beat. I feel that something needs to be done about the way they are treated and thought of first (and, yes, I know there needs to be a cleanup of some police forces as well). How do you make people respect the police rather than ridicule them?
On the subject, I have noticed a lot more policemen and women on the streets recently, they are always friendly and help people out if they are lost or need to know something, as well as being on hand to stop some petty crimes (or prevent them from happening altogether just by being there).
Speed-Cameras - we ALL hate them! Whether you're driving yet or not; or even if you still haven't been caught by one; you simply do not like them one single-bit.
The "idea" of catching criminals in the act and being able to punish them at the same time is clearly there, but, where a speed-camera isn't as discreetly-hidden in one-area as it is in another, the average speeding-motorist will simply apply pressure to the brake-pedal when he sees that yellow-colour, before `breaking the law´ again once he (or she) is clear of that camera's range.
The fact is - and I'm sure many of you will agree - that while speed cameras are good at catching speeders in some of the `hot-spots´ for the average Boy-Racer, no matter how many there now are around England-alone, they cannot be EVERYWHERE at once; catching ALL the other driving offences that go-on, throughout daily-life, un-noticed as the driver gets away with it, again.
Nobody likes them, for so-many reasons. No-one at all (unless you're part of the Goverment, of course, and you're on the "recieving end" of the thousands-of-pounds earnt in fines, every-day). The average driver is always trying to think-up a new "solution" to the ever-growing problem of law-breaking motorists, but no matter how-good an idea may seem to be, it doesn't seem like it's going to get anywhere, with the Tony Blair and co. so seemingly "happy" with the current system in-place.
But the fact is, something DOES have to be done about it. Speed-cameras alone are just not good-enough. They claim to make the roads a "safer" place, and yet, we still see a large-number of accidents happen all-over the country, with fatalities - many of which ARE speeding-related - proving to be almost as regular as ever (just check your local news regularly, if you don't believe me). But, so-many ideas... So-many possibillities.... Which is the right-one?
Now, I doubt I've even heard half of `everyone's´ alternative-solution to the speed-camears, but on the TV last-week (sorry, I didn't notice what show or even channel it was on), I heard what seemed to be a very-good idea using on-foot Policemen on-watch; a system that is already in-place - and proving to be a success - in other European countries (but, again, I cannot recall which ones were mentioned).
We all know the situation with Police in this country - far-too-many breaking-through with so-little work actually being given to do. And so, with "record-numbers", going well-past the 1,000-mark now available in England and Wales, there would surely enough available to have one-man for every-camera on the roads, today.
Quantity is not a problem. And I don't think this idea's as `poorly-thought-out´ as others have been, either.
I mean, more Police on the road... Isn't that something everybody's been wanting to see for years now? Not only would these "sitting-ducks" (armed with those speed-guns, of course) be able to catch the speeders as they passed them by, but eyes would also be open to spot other crimes going on around them... As for wages, I'm sure they've made more-than-enough from speed-cameras, already! And with the right technology - which I'm sure, in today's day-and-age, cannot be be too-hard to get - a lot more of those "brakers" and "dangerous-drivers" (usually in white transit-vans, as I'm sure you know...) would get-away with a lot-less than they do now.
Late-night/Early-morning alchoholics who'd had several-too-many, but still deemed themselves fit-enough to drive-home, would actually be notcied by the `eye´ of a man, drifting all-over the road - something no `camera-lens´ can pick-up, if he's well-below the speed-limit... No more "kool"-racers with their front fog-lights blinding all oncoming traffic in clear daylight... And with more people likely to actually STICK to the given limits more often, I bet we'd see less casualties related to accidents at pedestrian crossings and junctions, since they'd now `notice´ them.
In short; I'm sure the roads would be a much safer place (just like they claimed that place on the TV programe to be, as one of the "safest places to drive in Europe").
We have the numbers to compensate for the number of speed-cameras on the roads, today - and it'll still be growing, over the coming years (heck, we could even have 4-or-5 at each site)... We have an idea that, as proven abroad, does work... And every driver who did, then, get caught-in-the-act would have very-little to argue about, under the gaze of an authoritable human-eye....
So, aside from the obvious fact that they'll have to lose more money, why can't our "useless" Goverment do something good (for once) and implement a crime-stopping system like this, which, as already proven, does work?!?
No, I'm not a driver yet. The L-plates are still on my Ford Escort and I've already failed my driving test TWICE, now, within the past 4 months! I may not have been caught speeding (yet!), but even in my lessons, I've seen some real IDIOTS on the road doing some of the most-stupid and dengerous things on the road; yet, they don't get caught, and could've caused so-much chaos, `if´...
And, to tell you the truth, I often dread the thought of driving-alone, once I've passed my test. Not because I'm new or anything (even though I live in Bristol), but because of things like speed-cameras; how they do and DON'T work that-well, and how anybody is vulnerable.
They should stop thinking about themlelves for a change, and try to do something beneficial (like this) that'll be good for all those lives lost they're supposed to be protecting.
The "idea" of catching criminals in the act and being able to punish them at the same time is clearly there, but, where a speed-camera isn't as discreetly-hidden in one-area as it is in another, the average speeding-motorist will simply apply pressure to the brake-pedal when he sees that yellow-colour, before `breaking the law´ again once he (or she) is clear of that camera's range.
The fact is - and I'm sure many of you will agree - that while speed cameras are good at catching speeders in some of the `hot-spots´ for the average Boy-Racer, no matter how many there now are around England-alone, they cannot be EVERYWHERE at once; catching ALL the other driving offences that go-on, throughout daily-life, un-noticed as the driver gets away with it, again.
Nobody likes them, for so-many reasons. No-one at all (unless you're part of the Goverment, of course, and you're on the "recieving end" of the thousands-of-pounds earnt in fines, every-day). The average driver is always trying to think-up a new "solution" to the ever-growing problem of law-breaking motorists, but no matter how-good an idea may seem to be, it doesn't seem like it's going to get anywhere, with the Tony Blair and co. so seemingly "happy" with the current system in-place.
But the fact is, something DOES have to be done about it. Speed-cameras alone are just not good-enough. They claim to make the roads a "safer" place, and yet, we still see a large-number of accidents happen all-over the country, with fatalities - many of which ARE speeding-related - proving to be almost as regular as ever (just check your local news regularly, if you don't believe me). But, so-many ideas... So-many possibillities.... Which is the right-one?
Now, I doubt I've even heard half of `everyone's´ alternative-solution to the speed-camears, but on the TV last-week (sorry, I didn't notice what show or even channel it was on), I heard what seemed to be a very-good idea using on-foot Policemen on-watch; a system that is already in-place - and proving to be a success - in other European countries (but, again, I cannot recall which ones were mentioned).
We all know the situation with Police in this country - far-too-many breaking-through with so-little work actually being given to do. And so, with "record-numbers", going well-past the 1,000-mark now available in England and Wales, there would surely enough available to have one-man for every-camera on the roads, today.
Quantity is not a problem. And I don't think this idea's as `poorly-thought-out´ as others have been, either.
I mean, more Police on the road... Isn't that something everybody's been wanting to see for years now? Not only would these "sitting-ducks" (armed with those speed-guns, of course) be able to catch the speeders as they passed them by, but eyes would also be open to spot other crimes going on around them... As for wages, I'm sure they've made more-than-enough from speed-cameras, already! And with the right technology - which I'm sure, in today's day-and-age, cannot be be too-hard to get - a lot more of those "brakers" and "dangerous-drivers" (usually in white transit-vans, as I'm sure you know...) would get-away with a lot-less than they do now.
Late-night/Early-morning alchoholics who'd had several-too-many, but still deemed themselves fit-enough to drive-home, would actually be notcied by the `eye´ of a man, drifting all-over the road - something no `camera-lens´ can pick-up, if he's well-below the speed-limit... No more "kool"-racers with their front fog-lights blinding all oncoming traffic in clear daylight... And with more people likely to actually STICK to the given limits more often, I bet we'd see less casualties related to accidents at pedestrian crossings and junctions, since they'd now `notice´ them.
In short; I'm sure the roads would be a much safer place (just like they claimed that place on the TV programe to be, as one of the "safest places to drive in Europe").
We have the numbers to compensate for the number of speed-cameras on the roads, today - and it'll still be growing, over the coming years (heck, we could even have 4-or-5 at each site)... We have an idea that, as proven abroad, does work... And every driver who did, then, get caught-in-the-act would have very-little to argue about, under the gaze of an authoritable human-eye....
So, aside from the obvious fact that they'll have to lose more money, why can't our "useless" Goverment do something good (for once) and implement a crime-stopping system like this, which, as already proven, does work?!?
No, I'm not a driver yet. The L-plates are still on my Ford Escort and I've already failed my driving test TWICE, now, within the past 4 months! I may not have been caught speeding (yet!), but even in my lessons, I've seen some real IDIOTS on the road doing some of the most-stupid and dengerous things on the road; yet, they don't get caught, and could've caused so-much chaos, `if´...
And, to tell you the truth, I often dread the thought of driving-alone, once I've passed my test. Not because I'm new or anything (even though I live in Bristol), but because of things like speed-cameras; how they do and DON'T work that-well, and how anybody is vulnerable.
They should stop thinking about themlelves for a change, and try to do something beneficial (like this) that'll be good for all those lives lost they're supposed to be protecting.