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1 (1) Brazil
2 (2) France
3 (3) Spain
4 (4) Argentina
5 (8) Mexico
6 (5) Netherlands
7 (8) Turkey
8 (6) England
9 (7) Germany
10 (11) Czech Republic
11 (8) Italy
12 (12) United States
13 (14) Denmark
14 (13) Cameroon
15 (15) Ireland Republic
16 (16) Belgium
17 (18) Sweden
18 (17) Portugal
19 (19) Costa Rica
20 (20) Croatia
(Last months positions in brackets.)
Baffling once again. How the heck do they actually work these out?
England: win their group for Euro 2004 by drawing in Turkey, and beat Turkey comfortably. Lost to Denmark who are ranked a respectable 13 (14) and we move down.
Yet Turkey, who lost to us and failed to beat us in their own stadium, forced to go into the play-offs and even lose to Latvia, ranked a lowly 56 (and were 69th) and they move ahead of us in the rankings?!
And how come the Netherlands are still so high up? They also failed to win their group and lost to lowly Scotland, and yet they're also still ranked higher. And they didn't even qualify for the last World Cup yet are still ranked so high up.
It reminds me of the seedings for the last World Cup; England won their group and thrashed Germany 5-1, yet they were seeded and we weren't. Crazy statistics.
2 (2) France
3 (3) Spain
4 (4) Argentina
5 (8) Mexico
6 (5) Netherlands
7 (8) Turkey
8 (6) England
9 (7) Germany
10 (11) Czech Republic
11 (8) Italy
12 (12) United States
13 (14) Denmark
14 (13) Cameroon
15 (15) Ireland Republic
16 (16) Belgium
17 (18) Sweden
18 (17) Portugal
19 (19) Costa Rica
20 (20) Croatia
(Last months positions in brackets.)
Baffling once again. How the heck do they actually work these out?
England: win their group for Euro 2004 by drawing in Turkey, and beat Turkey comfortably. Lost to Denmark who are ranked a respectable 13 (14) and we move down.
Yet Turkey, who lost to us and failed to beat us in their own stadium, forced to go into the play-offs and even lose to Latvia, ranked a lowly 56 (and were 69th) and they move ahead of us in the rankings?!
And how come the Netherlands are still so high up? They also failed to win their group and lost to lowly Scotland, and yet they're also still ranked higher. And they didn't even qualify for the last World Cup yet are still ranked so high up.
It reminds me of the seedings for the last World Cup; England won their group and thrashed Germany 5-1, yet they were seeded and we weren't. Crazy statistics.
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Turkey did still come second in our group though, and were ahead for the majority of the last year - until we came head-to-head.
That's gotta be worth somethin' to them?
And have the qualifier's results actually been added to teams' totals yet?
Perhaps the Latvia one is irrelevant because it was played too late?
That's gotta be worth somethin' to them?
And have the qualifier's results actually been added to teams' totals yet?
Perhaps the Latvia one is irrelevant because it was played too late?
Solskjær wrote:
> We're only "above-average" - nowhere near the scale of
> a team like Brazil or France. And just look at how easy our group
> was, really...
Of course, I know we shouldn't be ranked above certain teams, but we qualifyed ahead of Turkey, maybe not spectacularly, but we beat them, drew in their patch and won the group.
We lose to Denmark (an ok-ish team) and they lose to Latvia (a load of Baltic sheep farmers) and they move ahead of us. Just doesn't seem right.
Though in view of last nights fantastic result, Turkey will drop down.
> We're only "above-average" - nowhere near the scale of
> a team like Brazil or France. And just look at how easy our group
> was, really...
Of course, I know we shouldn't be ranked above certain teams, but we qualifyed ahead of Turkey, maybe not spectacularly, but we beat them, drew in their patch and won the group.
We lose to Denmark (an ok-ish team) and they lose to Latvia (a load of Baltic sheep farmers) and they move ahead of us. Just doesn't seem right.
Though in view of last nights fantastic result, Turkey will drop down.
Totoro wrote:
"England: win their group for Euro 2004 by drawing in Turkey, and beat Turkey comfortably. Lost to Denmark who are ranked a respectable 13 (14) and we move down."
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But, is it maybe not just a case of "teams above us moving up"?
Sure, we finished top of our group and all that, but we were hardly "outstading" in any-one of those games, were we. Honestly, we weren't! Especially when we played teams like Liechtenstein; when we were lucky to scrape-through by the odd-goal, and Sol Campbell showed us all why Man United were right to 'allow' Arsénal agree to the ``Tottenham Fan's´´ rediculous wage demands, rather than try to match or beat it.
We are good, but not that good. Don't start getting on your high-horse yet! Just because everyone else is, doesn't mean you HAVE to. We're only "above-average" - nowhere near the scale of a team like Brazil or France. And just look at how easy our group was, really...
"England: win their group for Euro 2004 by drawing in Turkey, and beat Turkey comfortably. Lost to Denmark who are ranked a respectable 13 (14) and we move down."
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But, is it maybe not just a case of "teams above us moving up"?
Sure, we finished top of our group and all that, but we were hardly "outstading" in any-one of those games, were we. Honestly, we weren't! Especially when we played teams like Liechtenstein; when we were lucky to scrape-through by the odd-goal, and Sol Campbell showed us all why Man United were right to 'allow' Arsénal agree to the ``Tottenham Fan's´´ rediculous wage demands, rather than try to match or beat it.
We are good, but not that good. Don't start getting on your high-horse yet! Just because everyone else is, doesn't mean you HAVE to. We're only "above-average" - nowhere near the scale of a team like Brazil or France. And just look at how easy our group was, really...
AfroJoe wrote:
> Orgasmo Malcior wrote:
> mexico 5th? hmmmmmm i think sumones got a bigger brown envelope now
> than in the harry kewel transfer
>
> Mexico are actually a really good team. 5th, maybe not, but in the
> top 10, yes.
>
> Have you ever actually watched them play?
yeah i have alrite. that blanco is class. but i havent seen hernandez play for time. they are jus the same as senegal and they arent not in top 20.
> Orgasmo Malcior wrote:
> mexico 5th? hmmmmmm i think sumones got a bigger brown envelope now
> than in the harry kewel transfer
>
> Mexico are actually a really good team. 5th, maybe not, but in the
> top 10, yes.
>
> Have you ever actually watched them play?
yeah i have alrite. that blanco is class. but i havent seen hernandez play for time. they are jus the same as senegal and they arent not in top 20.
ThisIsAFunnyName wrote:
> Come on Latvia draw tonight and prove to FIFA how wrong they are.
I thank you.
> Come on Latvia draw tonight and prove to FIFA how wrong they are.
I thank you.
Orgasmo Malcior wrote:
> mexico 5th? hmmmmmm i think sumones got a bigger brown envelope now
> than in the harry kewel transfer
Mexico are actually a really good team. 5th, maybe not, but in the top 10, yes.
Have you ever actually watched them play?
> mexico 5th? hmmmmmm i think sumones got a bigger brown envelope now
> than in the harry kewel transfer
Mexico are actually a really good team. 5th, maybe not, but in the top 10, yes.
Have you ever actually watched them play?
Foreman wrote:
> How can Turkey be above England?!?!?
>
> Since the last rankings, they have not managed to get better results
> than us which means they should never be above us. I'd like to know
> how they work it out.
>
> Here's my top 20 rankings:
>
> 1 Brazil
> 2 France
> 3 Argentina
> 4 Spain
> 5 Mexico
> 6 England
> 7 Germany
> 8 Czech Republic
> 9 Netherlands
> 10 Turkey
> 11 Italy
> 12 United States
> 13 Cameroon
> 14 Denmark
> 15 Ireland Republic
> 16 Belgium
> 17 Sweden
> 18 Portugal
> 19 Costa Rica
> 20 Croatia
Great idea, but I'd drop the USA to around 15th.
> How can Turkey be above England?!?!?
>
> Since the last rankings, they have not managed to get better results
> than us which means they should never be above us. I'd like to know
> how they work it out.
>
> Here's my top 20 rankings:
>
> 1 Brazil
> 2 France
> 3 Argentina
> 4 Spain
> 5 Mexico
> 6 England
> 7 Germany
> 8 Czech Republic
> 9 Netherlands
> 10 Turkey
> 11 Italy
> 12 United States
> 13 Cameroon
> 14 Denmark
> 15 Ireland Republic
> 16 Belgium
> 17 Sweden
> 18 Portugal
> 19 Costa Rica
> 20 Croatia
Great idea, but I'd drop the USA to around 15th.
totoro wrote:
>1 (1) Brazil
2 (2) France
3 (3) Spain
4 (4) Argentina
5 (8) Mexico
6 (5) Netherlands
7 (8) Turkey
8 (6) England
9 (7) Germany
10 (11) Czech Republic
11 (8) Italy
12 (12) United States
13 (14) Denmark
14 (13) Cameroon
15 (15) Ireland Republic
16 (16) Belgium
17 (18) Sweden
18 (17) Portugal
19 (19) Costa Rica
20 (20) Croatia
(Last months positions in brackets.)
Baffling once again. How the heck do they actually work these out?
England: win their group for Euro 2004 by drawing in Turkey, and beat Turkey comfortably. Lost to Denmark who are ranked a respectable 13 (14) and we move down.
Yet Turkey, who lost to us and failed to beat us in their own stadium, forced to go into the play-offs and even lose to Latvia, ranked a lowly 56 (and were 69th) and they move ahead of us in the rankings?!
And how come the Netherlands are still so high up? They also failed to win their group and lost to lowly Scotland, and yet they're also still ranked higher. And they didn't even qualify for the last World Cup yet are still ranked so high up.
It reminds me of the seedings for the last World Cup; England won their group and thrashed Germany 5-1, yet they were seeded and we weren't. Crazy statistics.
mexico 5th, germany 7th, weird. and i no once colombia were 4th. incredible ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!!!!! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! !
>1 (1) Brazil
2 (2) France
3 (3) Spain
4 (4) Argentina
5 (8) Mexico
6 (5) Netherlands
7 (8) Turkey
8 (6) England
9 (7) Germany
10 (11) Czech Republic
11 (8) Italy
12 (12) United States
13 (14) Denmark
14 (13) Cameroon
15 (15) Ireland Republic
16 (16) Belgium
17 (18) Sweden
18 (17) Portugal
19 (19) Costa Rica
20 (20) Croatia
(Last months positions in brackets.)
Baffling once again. How the heck do they actually work these out?
England: win their group for Euro 2004 by drawing in Turkey, and beat Turkey comfortably. Lost to Denmark who are ranked a respectable 13 (14) and we move down.
Yet Turkey, who lost to us and failed to beat us in their own stadium, forced to go into the play-offs and even lose to Latvia, ranked a lowly 56 (and were 69th) and they move ahead of us in the rankings?!
And how come the Netherlands are still so high up? They also failed to win their group and lost to lowly Scotland, and yet they're also still ranked higher. And they didn't even qualify for the last World Cup yet are still ranked so high up.
It reminds me of the seedings for the last World Cup; England won their group and thrashed Germany 5-1, yet they were seeded and we weren't. Crazy statistics.
mexico 5th, germany 7th, weird. and i no once colombia were 4th. incredible ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!!!!! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! !
ThisIsAFunnyName wrote:
> Come on Latvia draw tonight and prove to FIFA how wrong they are.
Turkey are 1-0 up
> Come on Latvia draw tonight and prove to FIFA how wrong they are.
Turkey are 1-0 up
How can Turkey be above England?!?!?
Since the last rankings, they have not managed to get better results than us which means they should never be above us. I'd like to know how they work it out.
Here's my top 20 rankings:
1 Brazil
2 France
3 Argentina
4 Spain
5 Mexico
6 England
7 Germany
8 Czech Republic
9 Netherlands
10 Turkey
11 Italy
12 United States
13 Cameroon
14 Denmark
15 Ireland Republic
16 Belgium
17 Sweden
18 Portugal
19 Costa Rica
20 Croatia
Since the last rankings, they have not managed to get better results than us which means they should never be above us. I'd like to know how they work it out.
Here's my top 20 rankings:
1 Brazil
2 France
3 Argentina
4 Spain
5 Mexico
6 England
7 Germany
8 Czech Republic
9 Netherlands
10 Turkey
11 Italy
12 United States
13 Cameroon
14 Denmark
15 Ireland Republic
16 Belgium
17 Sweden
18 Portugal
19 Costa Rica
20 Croatia
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