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Does it not worry anybody that Dinosaur Planet has been cancelled as a N64 release, and it will be released as a GameCube game at launch?
Admittedly it was a very ambitious N64 project, but to think that n64 games can just be pushed across into the GameCube line up does seem odd.
Obviously they're going to improve the graphics, and the sound, but they don't have time to go back to the basic game design, and alter this, do they?
If not, that means that a GameCube launch game will play pretty much as it would have done on the N64.
Which means that the game will be roughly the same size as a large N64 game.
I was hoping that moving away from a cartridge based system would lead to much bigger games, not just better looking and sounding ones.
Will all of the GameCube's launch titles be like this? Adventures that will last us no longer that what we already have, FPS with just as limited levels?
I was seriously hoping for something new from Nintendo. No doubt the games will be good, but I'm not sure that this is progress?
Maybe it's just this one game. Maybe they have got time to improve more than just the graphics and sound. But maybe, just maybe, GameCube won't be delivering all that we expect?
Admittedly it was a very ambitious N64 project, but to think that n64 games can just be pushed across into the GameCube line up does seem odd.
Obviously they're going to improve the graphics, and the sound, but they don't have time to go back to the basic game design, and alter this, do they?
If not, that means that a GameCube launch game will play pretty much as it would have done on the N64.
Which means that the game will be roughly the same size as a large N64 game.
I was hoping that moving away from a cartridge based system would lead to much bigger games, not just better looking and sounding ones.
Will all of the GameCube's launch titles be like this? Adventures that will last us no longer that what we already have, FPS with just as limited levels?
I was seriously hoping for something new from Nintendo. No doubt the games will be good, but I'm not sure that this is progress?
Maybe it's just this one game. Maybe they have got time to improve more than just the graphics and sound. But maybe, just maybe, GameCube won't be delivering all that we expect?
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What do you guys mean a game can never be too Big, FinalFantasy7 did it for me tooo Biiiigggg. Any game that takes so long to complete should carry a antisocial gamer warning on the pack! Then again if it was a fun game I may have felt differently!
I hope Dinosaur Planet comes out on both N64 and Gamecube personally. Ive also been looking at Nintendos website, and I believe theyre really on top of things with the Gamecube, they have all the peripherals already made including 56K and Cable modems which plug simply into the base of the console! Plus the controllers are wireless which is pretty cool!
I hope Dinosaur Planet comes out on both N64 and Gamecube personally. Ive also been looking at Nintendos website, and I believe theyre really on top of things with the Gamecube, they have all the peripherals already made including 56K and Cable modems which plug simply into the base of the console! Plus the controllers are wireless which is pretty cool!
meka said, "I'm sure that Nintendo will get it right in the end, as never before have they let us down with their games (except maybe with pushing back release dates.)"
I think those two things are inextricably intertwined when it comes to Nintendo; I've a feeling they push back things in order that they can make games better.
"It's just that I thought this would have been a quality title for Rare to conclude their N64 development. There are so many quality titles proposed for the GameCube, I wouldn't want this one to seem weak by comparison."
From what I've heard, Rare's concluding N64 title will be "Conker's Bad Fur Day". I don't think that means they're going out on a bad note; rather it looks to be a promise of more varied software to come from them, particularly FOR the Cube.
As for it seeming 'weak by comparison' to other Cube titles: I doubt it. Let's say, for instance, that Rare decided to up the graphics, enhance the music to "Dinosaur Planet" (or whatever it's called) and not change the storyline for it, thereby not adding any new content. Would it really seem 'weak'? Not really. If they'd have released "Dinosaur Planet" for the Cube without having all this attention beforehand, we'd likely be more fair with this. If nothing else, they should at least add some new multiplayer options on the thing; I'm more interested in multiplayer games than I am single-player ones myself.
"Regarding StarFox, I think that though it might not be up there with Zelda, Mario and DK, I believe that many gamers will see a Star Fox game as being more important than Metroid, especially the ones that are quite new to gaming, as they would know of Lylat Wars, but as Samus didn't appear on the N64 (except for Super Smash Bros), they may not even be aware of the Metroid series."
Yeah, but who are the people who buy most franchise games anyway? It's those who recognize them. I'd warrant that Metroid will sell tremendously well as long as Retro does a good job with it. With Shingeru Miyamoto overseeing the project, I'm sure it'll turn out to be revolutionary for the First Person Adventure genre. In fact, the move to first-person will likely get people who aren't familiar with the franchise interested in the game.
"Another thought on the potential name change could be that the game is looking so good, that it is worthy of the Star Fox universe?"
I wouldn't doubt that. Rare's been kicking some serious butt for a while now, so it's definitely possible. Truthfully though, I don't see any reason to change the game's title. For one thing, it looks nothing like the Star Fox games I'm familiar with, so it seems like an odd association. But even though I don't agree with the change of title, I'll still check the game out, see how it's coming.
I think those two things are inextricably intertwined when it comes to Nintendo; I've a feeling they push back things in order that they can make games better.
"It's just that I thought this would have been a quality title for Rare to conclude their N64 development. There are so many quality titles proposed for the GameCube, I wouldn't want this one to seem weak by comparison."
From what I've heard, Rare's concluding N64 title will be "Conker's Bad Fur Day". I don't think that means they're going out on a bad note; rather it looks to be a promise of more varied software to come from them, particularly FOR the Cube.
As for it seeming 'weak by comparison' to other Cube titles: I doubt it. Let's say, for instance, that Rare decided to up the graphics, enhance the music to "Dinosaur Planet" (or whatever it's called) and not change the storyline for it, thereby not adding any new content. Would it really seem 'weak'? Not really. If they'd have released "Dinosaur Planet" for the Cube without having all this attention beforehand, we'd likely be more fair with this. If nothing else, they should at least add some new multiplayer options on the thing; I'm more interested in multiplayer games than I am single-player ones myself.
"Regarding StarFox, I think that though it might not be up there with Zelda, Mario and DK, I believe that many gamers will see a Star Fox game as being more important than Metroid, especially the ones that are quite new to gaming, as they would know of Lylat Wars, but as Samus didn't appear on the N64 (except for Super Smash Bros), they may not even be aware of the Metroid series."
Yeah, but who are the people who buy most franchise games anyway? It's those who recognize them. I'd warrant that Metroid will sell tremendously well as long as Retro does a good job with it. With Shingeru Miyamoto overseeing the project, I'm sure it'll turn out to be revolutionary for the First Person Adventure genre. In fact, the move to first-person will likely get people who aren't familiar with the franchise interested in the game.
"Another thought on the potential name change could be that the game is looking so good, that it is worthy of the Star Fox universe?"
I wouldn't doubt that. Rare's been kicking some serious butt for a while now, so it's definitely possible. Truthfully though, I don't see any reason to change the game's title. For one thing, it looks nothing like the Star Fox games I'm familiar with, so it seems like an odd association. But even though I don't agree with the change of title, I'll still check the game out, see how it's coming.
I'm sure that Nintendo will get it right in the end, as never before have they let us down with their games (except maybe with pushing back release dates.) It's just that I thought this would have been a quality title for Rare to conclude their N64 development. There are so many quality titles proposed for the GameCube, I wouldn't want this one to seem weak by comparison.
Regarding StarFox, I think that though it might not be up there with Zelda, Mario and DK, I believe that many gamers will see a Star Fox game as being more important than Metroid, especially the ones that are quite new to gaming, as they would know of Lylat Wars, but as Samus didn't appear on the N64 (except for Super Smash Bros), they may not even be aware of the Metroid series.
Another thought on the potential name change could be that the game is looking so good, that it is worthy of the Star Fox universe?
Regarding StarFox, I think that though it might not be up there with Zelda, Mario and DK, I believe that many gamers will see a Star Fox game as being more important than Metroid, especially the ones that are quite new to gaming, as they would know of Lylat Wars, but as Samus didn't appear on the N64 (except for Super Smash Bros), they may not even be aware of the Metroid series.
Another thought on the potential name change could be that the game is looking so good, that it is worthy of the Star Fox universe?
meka dragon said, "Yes, but the changes to CBFD had a much longer time scale. They pretty much started over with the game. As a result many have said that the single player game will only take 15hours to complete!"
Potentially, but it's still a landmark game for Rare, IMO. The sort of work they put into that game is inspiring; they really gave it their all. I also sort of wonder whether they were confined by the N64 cartridges lack of memory. You know those detailed graphics and music had to impact upon the amount of memory they had available, especially when you add in the Multiplayer options.
"Also CBFD stayed on the same platform, DP is going up a level. My fear is that only the graphics and sound will be tweaked, rather than adding to the game itself."
Still, I doubt it. Believe me, Nintendo's well aware of the pessimism following the transition; if they have to, they'll postpone its release.
"Further to this, the latest rumours hint at a name change to Star Fox Adventures. So they're going to give it a complete face-lift to feature one of Nintendos top franchises."
Frankly I'm not sure I'd consider Star Fox a 'top' franchise; it lacks the innate heritage you find with such things as Metroid, Zelda, and Mario. I understand what you mean though, and I don't see why they felt it was necessary to change the name. Of course, this (in and of itself) doesn't constitute that the game'll be a failure or lack qualities beyond what it would've had on N64.
"Is this in an attempt to paper over the fact that the game is just a souped up N64 game, rather than something wholly designed to take advantage of the GameCube's capabilities?"
If it were anyone other than Nintendo, I'd buy that.
Potentially, but it's still a landmark game for Rare, IMO. The sort of work they put into that game is inspiring; they really gave it their all. I also sort of wonder whether they were confined by the N64 cartridges lack of memory. You know those detailed graphics and music had to impact upon the amount of memory they had available, especially when you add in the Multiplayer options.
"Also CBFD stayed on the same platform, DP is going up a level. My fear is that only the graphics and sound will be tweaked, rather than adding to the game itself."
Still, I doubt it. Believe me, Nintendo's well aware of the pessimism following the transition; if they have to, they'll postpone its release.
"Further to this, the latest rumours hint at a name change to Star Fox Adventures. So they're going to give it a complete face-lift to feature one of Nintendos top franchises."
Frankly I'm not sure I'd consider Star Fox a 'top' franchise; it lacks the innate heritage you find with such things as Metroid, Zelda, and Mario. I understand what you mean though, and I don't see why they felt it was necessary to change the name. Of course, this (in and of itself) doesn't constitute that the game'll be a failure or lack qualities beyond what it would've had on N64.
"Is this in an attempt to paper over the fact that the game is just a souped up N64 game, rather than something wholly designed to take advantage of the GameCube's capabilities?"
If it were anyone other than Nintendo, I'd buy that.
PseudoSavant wrote:
>As for Dinosaur Planet's move to the Gamecube: What's
> the problem here? I don't hear anyone griping too heavily about how
> Rare changed Conker's Bad Fur Day; in fact, according to most, they
> made it better. Why shouldn't this run true for this latest shift?
Yes, but the changes to CBFD had a much longer time scale. They pretty much started over with the game. As a result many have said that the single player game will only take 15hours to complete!
Also CBFD stayed on the same platform, DP is going up a level. My fear is that only the graphics and sound will be tweaked, rather than adding to the game itself.
Further to this, the latest rumours hint at a name change to Star Fox Adventures. So they're going to give it a complete face-lift to feature one of Nintendos top franchises. Is this in an attempt to paper over the fact that the game is just a souped up N64 game, rather than something wholly designed to take advantage of the GameCube's capabilities?
>As for Dinosaur Planet's move to the Gamecube: What's
> the problem here? I don't hear anyone griping too heavily about how
> Rare changed Conker's Bad Fur Day; in fact, according to most, they
> made it better. Why shouldn't this run true for this latest shift?
Yes, but the changes to CBFD had a much longer time scale. They pretty much started over with the game. As a result many have said that the single player game will only take 15hours to complete!
Also CBFD stayed on the same platform, DP is going up a level. My fear is that only the graphics and sound will be tweaked, rather than adding to the game itself.
Further to this, the latest rumours hint at a name change to Star Fox Adventures. So they're going to give it a complete face-lift to feature one of Nintendos top franchises. Is this in an attempt to paper over the fact that the game is just a souped up N64 game, rather than something wholly designed to take advantage of the GameCube's capabilities?
Juz:
"Zelda could be considered huge, but not really in a good way in which you eventually learn a completely different way to fight and explore and progress as a real sword wealding hero should."
Near as I can tell what you're talking about doesn't exist, so I don't see why Zelda should be getting mentioned in a negative light. I suppose 'Vagrant Story,' but it really didn't change the way you fought - just what moves you add in your chain attacks.
What would you consider to be a game where the character completely altered their way of fighting? I can't think of one myself.
As for Dinosaur Planet's move to the Gamecube: What's the problem here? I don't hear anyone griping too heavily about how Rare changed Conker's Bad Fur Day; in fact, according to most, they made it better. Why shouldn't this run true for this latest shift?
"Zelda could be considered huge, but not really in a good way in which you eventually learn a completely different way to fight and explore and progress as a real sword wealding hero should."
Near as I can tell what you're talking about doesn't exist, so I don't see why Zelda should be getting mentioned in a negative light. I suppose 'Vagrant Story,' but it really didn't change the way you fought - just what moves you add in your chain attacks.
What would you consider to be a game where the character completely altered their way of fighting? I can't think of one myself.
As for Dinosaur Planet's move to the Gamecube: What's the problem here? I don't hear anyone griping too heavily about how Rare changed Conker's Bad Fur Day; in fact, according to most, they made it better. Why shouldn't this run true for this latest shift?
whatever carry on talking to yourself.
I did not know that Dino PLanet was cancelled. But look at it this way, are you excited about seeing it? YES! So what does it matter? It will look and probably play differently other wise it would pail in comparison to the other game cube titles. The real question or concern should be 'have we long suffering Nintendo owners lost out on a game of which the original version we will never see?
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