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"Age old HTML image question!"

monkey_man wrote:
> It didn't mention layers though, which I use all the time for really
> small, useful things.

works in the same way as layers.

You can use absolute positioning to place them anywhere on the page and z-index positioning to have them over lap.

For example:







'A' being the furthest back, 'B' being in the middle and 'C' being on top.

cjh wrote:
> But saying that, learning the new techniques are really not as hard
> as you may think ... I did it :)

One of my mates persuaded me too look at the w3schools CSS reference sheet and it seems pretty straight-forward. I already use style sheets to format text, links, form, etc, so stretching it to do things like tables and page borders shouldn't be too difficult. It didn't mention layers though, which I use all the time for really small, useful things.

Tyla wrote:
> That’s because "border-width" is an invalid CSS
> declaration!

I have to admit I also thought that 'border-width' was valid CSS, but I'm not going to argue that point.

Tyla wrote:
> This is very wrong, infact, it's invalid mark up and always has been.
> The correct way is to use CSS to set the page margins to zero...
>
>

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I read somewhere that Opera (or it may have been a different browser) preferred the 'padding: 0;' value, as the creators regarded 'margin' to be incorrect. Can you shed some light on this (true or false)?

monkey_man wrote:
> Is there a date when they plan to remove these attributes?

I may very well be wrong, but I don't believe these attributes will be removed for a long time (if ever). Many web sites don't use valid xHTML/HTML/CSS to display the content, and most will never do so, because the creator’s aren’t all that bothered, and because there is no real backlash to not using valid code.

If Microsoft (and the rest) suddenly removed all the invalid tags and attributes, it could affect many millions of web sites, causing the Internet to loose its appeal, as so many sites will look bad, that nobody will ever bother going back to them.

OK, so maybe it won't come to that, but I really don't see Microsoft removing the invalid tags, because there is no real benefit for them to do so, and in turn could drive people to select different web browsers.

But saying that, learning the new techniques are really not as hard as you may think ... I did it :)

Tyla wrote:
> Thats because "border-width" is an invalid CSS declaration!

Now that I didn't know!
In every single CSS documentation I've actually read it's been stated that you can set the border-width,border-style and border-color attributes seperately (With the hyphen between) or you can use the shorthand "border:" declaration to declare all three.

Well, it still works for me, but when they start taking it out of browsers I'll have to get more in this CSS lark. I only use CSS when there's a design that I can't figure out how to overlay objects, or similar dilemmas. Is there a date when they plan to remove these attributes?

After reading back though this post, I see that this is a general question about aligning the top of your page to the top edge of the browser...


monkey_man wrote:

This is very wrong, infact, it's unvalid mark up and always has been. The correct way is to use CSS to set the page margins to zero...



monkey_man also wrote:

All this does is prevent an image having a border when it is used as a link! Though this is valid HTML, it is only valid as HTML3.2 not xHTML.

Cooky wrote: Why's it technically illeagal?
It's a deprecated value/attribute which means it will no longer be supported in newer revisions of xHTML/HTML and therfore will not work as intended. This is due to the control of presentation being moved towards pure CSS and not HTML. HTML should be used purley for symatic mark up with everything esle such as borders, backgrounds and alignments being handles by CSS.

Cooky also wrote: You method didn't give me the result I wanted but, monkey_man's did.

Thats because "border-width" is an invalid CSS declaration!

Oh, my thing was just in reply to monkey_man's border thingy, it wasn't supposed to give the effect you asked for.
I'm not entirely sure WHY it's illeagal to do it now, but I read somewhere that the W3C have deprecated it. Ask, Tyla, I'm sure he knows...

RastaBillySkank wrote:
> Actually, setting the border attribute directly in the HTML is now,
> technically illeagal.
>

You method didn't give me the result I wanted but, monkey_man's did.

Why's it technically illeagal?

:)

RastaBillySkank wrote:
> To give images no borders you have to redefine the img tag:
>
>

You also have to define the margin too otherwise it put that in as default:

img {
border: 0px;
margin: 0px;
}

You don't really need to include the px if the value is set to 0.