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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3063257.stm
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I take it we'll be shortly invading Ireland in an effort to combat the "evildoers that propagate hatred, fear, terror and murder" (c) George W Bush 2002.
I mean, we already know the terrorism that has been visited by The IRA upon our shores for years - incidentally the only terrorist group to ever successfully commit terrorist activities on UK soil.
So why aren't we beating a path to their door? Our Intelligence community has infiltrated their higher echelons, as demonstrated by the Steak Knife situation of 2 months ago.
Can anyone explain to me why we allow terrorists that have actively murdered UK citizens indiscriminately through mainland bombing campaigns to do exactly what they want (even released a load for Xmas a couple of years ago, remember that?), yet we'll send thousands of troops hundreds of miles away to attack a country that never has even once committed any act of aggression whatsoever towards The UK?
"Because Hussein was a threat to world peace, you cynical pacifist you"
Really? How? No long-range ballistic missiles, no nuclear programme (The CIA & MI5 currently arguing about who told who and why), no support outside of Iraq (I saw no allies rushing to help him when we decimated his country).
So explain to me how a country that has never acted aggresively towards The United Kingdom is a targert for regime change, bombing and reconstruction, *yet* a country that is only a few miles to our left and has repeatedly murdered UK civilians in bomb attacks (anyone old enough will remember Bishop's Gate) is free to act with impunity.
I dont get it.
Remember now, we went to war with Iraq because they presented "an immediate and very clear danger to our country's safety", we all saw the tanks at airports, ricin seized in Hackney etc etc and NOT because Hussein murdered his own population.
So tell me again how The IRA is allowed to operate with total freedom and financial support from the US, with fundraising allowed since Reagan's days.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
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I take it we'll be shortly invading Ireland in an effort to combat the "evildoers that propagate hatred, fear, terror and murder" (c) George W Bush 2002.
I mean, we already know the terrorism that has been visited by The IRA upon our shores for years - incidentally the only terrorist group to ever successfully commit terrorist activities on UK soil.
So why aren't we beating a path to their door? Our Intelligence community has infiltrated their higher echelons, as demonstrated by the Steak Knife situation of 2 months ago.
Can anyone explain to me why we allow terrorists that have actively murdered UK citizens indiscriminately through mainland bombing campaigns to do exactly what they want (even released a load for Xmas a couple of years ago, remember that?), yet we'll send thousands of troops hundreds of miles away to attack a country that never has even once committed any act of aggression whatsoever towards The UK?
"Because Hussein was a threat to world peace, you cynical pacifist you"
Really? How? No long-range ballistic missiles, no nuclear programme (The CIA & MI5 currently arguing about who told who and why), no support outside of Iraq (I saw no allies rushing to help him when we decimated his country).
So explain to me how a country that has never acted aggresively towards The United Kingdom is a targert for regime change, bombing and reconstruction, *yet* a country that is only a few miles to our left and has repeatedly murdered UK civilians in bomb attacks (anyone old enough will remember Bishop's Gate) is free to act with impunity.
I dont get it.
Remember now, we went to war with Iraq because they presented "an immediate and very clear danger to our country's safety", we all saw the tanks at airports, ricin seized in Hackney etc etc and NOT because Hussein murdered his own population.
So tell me again how The IRA is allowed to operate with total freedom and financial support from the US, with fundraising allowed since Reagan's days.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
You and me both. I've long thought it was time we stopped letting the Irish groups mess around with UN decommisioning and releasing known terrorists.
If we know where weapons are stored then we should destroy them ourselves, if we know someone has comitted a terrorist act in the past then we should be giving them a battering ram wake up call.
Why do we continue to let these people mess around ? Because we're tied up in this supposed ongoing one sided peace process,and because any action we take is most likely to indirectly cause harm to even more civilians.
It's a case of peace at any price and it's not likely to change. By their nature none of the groups can utilise more than conventional explosives because any WMD use also effect Ireland. The fact is that any overt action against the groups will cause yet another section of the UK public to protest against any action taken, and most will be 'instant' experts on the situation ala Iraq.
Still, excellent timing. Suspected irish terrorist captured in Israel just as Sharon comes over here, if we'd had any sense (and assuming that the guy genuinelly is a known terrorist) then far better to have handled it quietly and let Mossad get him.
If we know where weapons are stored then we should destroy them ourselves, if we know someone has comitted a terrorist act in the past then we should be giving them a battering ram wake up call.
Why do we continue to let these people mess around ? Because we're tied up in this supposed ongoing one sided peace process,and because any action we take is most likely to indirectly cause harm to even more civilians.
It's a case of peace at any price and it's not likely to change. By their nature none of the groups can utilise more than conventional explosives because any WMD use also effect Ireland. The fact is that any overt action against the groups will cause yet another section of the UK public to protest against any action taken, and most will be 'instant' experts on the situation ala Iraq.
Still, excellent timing. Suspected irish terrorist captured in Israel just as Sharon comes over here, if we'd had any sense (and assuming that the guy genuinelly is a known terrorist) then far better to have handled it quietly and let Mossad get him.
There's an ongoing peace process with the IRA, isn't there? It was all too obvious that Saddam was never going to sit down at a table and give up whatever power he had.
Personally, I would like to see the IRA slaughtered to the last man, but that's just typical hatred of their actions. Besides, killing them would be attacking the symptoms rather than the cause, and as the IRA fell, some other reactionary group would take its place. After all, terrorists are a violent manifestation of political unrest. You need to tackle the politics, not the terrorists. Sort the politics out, the terrorists will slowly vanish. So it's not justice, but justice is over-rated, and is typically synonymous with vengeance.
At the end of the day, violence is rarely the answer, and with the IRA, we're still clinging on to the thin possibility that it can all be resolved with talks. What happened in Iraq, regardless of the original intentions or the arguments put forward to support them, is a good thing for the country (and of course anyone that relies on its resources).
Etc.
Personally, I would like to see the IRA slaughtered to the last man, but that's just typical hatred of their actions. Besides, killing them would be attacking the symptoms rather than the cause, and as the IRA fell, some other reactionary group would take its place. After all, terrorists are a violent manifestation of political unrest. You need to tackle the politics, not the terrorists. Sort the politics out, the terrorists will slowly vanish. So it's not justice, but justice is over-rated, and is typically synonymous with vengeance.
At the end of the day, violence is rarely the answer, and with the IRA, we're still clinging on to the thin possibility that it can all be resolved with talks. What happened in Iraq, regardless of the original intentions or the arguments put forward to support them, is a good thing for the country (and of course anyone that relies on its resources).
Etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3063257.stm
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I take it we'll be shortly invading Ireland in an effort to combat the "evildoers that propagate hatred, fear, terror and murder" (c) George W Bush 2002.
I mean, we already know the terrorism that has been visited by The IRA upon our shores for years - incidentally the only terrorist group to ever successfully commit terrorist activities on UK soil.
So why aren't we beating a path to their door? Our Intelligence community has infiltrated their higher echelons, as demonstrated by the Steak Knife situation of 2 months ago.
Can anyone explain to me why we allow terrorists that have actively murdered UK citizens indiscriminately through mainland bombing campaigns to do exactly what they want (even released a load for Xmas a couple of years ago, remember that?), yet we'll send thousands of troops hundreds of miles away to attack a country that never has even once committed any act of aggression whatsoever towards The UK?
"Because Hussein was a threat to world peace, you cynical pacifist you"
Really? How? No long-range ballistic missiles, no nuclear programme (The CIA & MI5 currently arguing about who told who and why), no support outside of Iraq (I saw no allies rushing to help him when we decimated his country).
So explain to me how a country that has never acted aggresively towards The United Kingdom is a targert for regime change, bombing and reconstruction, *yet* a country that is only a few miles to our left and has repeatedly murdered UK civilians in bomb attacks (anyone old enough will remember Bishop's Gate) is free to act with impunity.
I dont get it.
Remember now, we went to war with Iraq because they presented "an immediate and very clear danger to our country's safety", we all saw the tanks at airports, ricin seized in Hackney etc etc and NOT because Hussein murdered his own population.
So tell me again how The IRA is allowed to operate with total freedom and financial support from the US, with fundraising allowed since Reagan's days.
I'm getting mixed signals here.
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I take it we'll be shortly invading Ireland in an effort to combat the "evildoers that propagate hatred, fear, terror and murder" (c) George W Bush 2002.
I mean, we already know the terrorism that has been visited by The IRA upon our shores for years - incidentally the only terrorist group to ever successfully commit terrorist activities on UK soil.
So why aren't we beating a path to their door? Our Intelligence community has infiltrated their higher echelons, as demonstrated by the Steak Knife situation of 2 months ago.
Can anyone explain to me why we allow terrorists that have actively murdered UK citizens indiscriminately through mainland bombing campaigns to do exactly what they want (even released a load for Xmas a couple of years ago, remember that?), yet we'll send thousands of troops hundreds of miles away to attack a country that never has even once committed any act of aggression whatsoever towards The UK?
"Because Hussein was a threat to world peace, you cynical pacifist you"
Really? How? No long-range ballistic missiles, no nuclear programme (The CIA & MI5 currently arguing about who told who and why), no support outside of Iraq (I saw no allies rushing to help him when we decimated his country).
So explain to me how a country that has never acted aggresively towards The United Kingdom is a targert for regime change, bombing and reconstruction, *yet* a country that is only a few miles to our left and has repeatedly murdered UK civilians in bomb attacks (anyone old enough will remember Bishop's Gate) is free to act with impunity.
I dont get it.
Remember now, we went to war with Iraq because they presented "an immediate and very clear danger to our country's safety", we all saw the tanks at airports, ricin seized in Hackney etc etc and NOT because Hussein murdered his own population.
So tell me again how The IRA is allowed to operate with total freedom and financial support from the US, with fundraising allowed since Reagan's days.
I'm getting mixed signals here.