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This should be in the WWF forum but this is aimed at non wrestling fans.
Right I am sick and tired of people stereotyping wrestling fans and games. Just because we happen to like a "fake" sport were all stupid? Whats wrong with wrestling? If you don't like it steer clear of it and leave other people to enjoy it.
Isn't watching wrestling better than going out and doing bog all on day on the streets? Bunking school, smoking god knows what and p***ing our lives down the pot of life? Would you rather have people on the streets or off them?
The games aswell. They don't sell very well, not because they are rubbish games but because they are endorsed by the WWF. If you took out the ring and set it in Tailand or something and changed all the wrestlers names to something else, you could call it Tekken. And if it didn't have the WWF label and played EXACTLY the same do you think it would sell better? Of course it would. Do you know why it would? Because all of the stereotypical cynics would say "ah right Tekken. Thats alright as long as none of the fighting games I play are WWF then I'm happy. Becasue the WWF is fake and people might think I'm a fan!"
when it comes down to it isn't it the PLAYABILITY of the game what is supposed to be judged and not what the game is based on? Have any of you non wrestling fans actually PLAYED a wrestling game before tossing it aside and saying "Wrestling, must be crap" Most of the wrestling games I've palyed have actually been really good fun, not because I get to see lots of people in spandex fly around performing ridiculous moves, but because I really enjoyed myself while playing the games.
Wrestling is about as big a craze as you will find. It's bigger than Pokémon ever was and it's going to continue being popular. Much as you might hate to admit it wrestling fans actually outnumber wrestling non fans among the 5-19 age group.
Something to think about
Right I am sick and tired of people stereotyping wrestling fans and games. Just because we happen to like a "fake" sport were all stupid? Whats wrong with wrestling? If you don't like it steer clear of it and leave other people to enjoy it.
Isn't watching wrestling better than going out and doing bog all on day on the streets? Bunking school, smoking god knows what and p***ing our lives down the pot of life? Would you rather have people on the streets or off them?
The games aswell. They don't sell very well, not because they are rubbish games but because they are endorsed by the WWF. If you took out the ring and set it in Tailand or something and changed all the wrestlers names to something else, you could call it Tekken. And if it didn't have the WWF label and played EXACTLY the same do you think it would sell better? Of course it would. Do you know why it would? Because all of the stereotypical cynics would say "ah right Tekken. Thats alright as long as none of the fighting games I play are WWF then I'm happy. Becasue the WWF is fake and people might think I'm a fan!"
when it comes down to it isn't it the PLAYABILITY of the game what is supposed to be judged and not what the game is based on? Have any of you non wrestling fans actually PLAYED a wrestling game before tossing it aside and saying "Wrestling, must be crap" Most of the wrestling games I've palyed have actually been really good fun, not because I get to see lots of people in spandex fly around performing ridiculous moves, but because I really enjoyed myself while playing the games.
Wrestling is about as big a craze as you will find. It's bigger than Pokémon ever was and it's going to continue being popular. Much as you might hate to admit it wrestling fans actually outnumber wrestling non fans among the 5-19 age group.
Something to think about
You know in WWF you get JR saying "What a hellacious move that was" I just realised the other day, that there's no such word as 'hellacious'.
I bet it wouldn't be half as much fun without the OTT commentary!
I bet it wouldn't be half as much fun without the OTT commentary!
hehehe, have you ever seen WCW worldwide?
It's one of the worst shows I've ever seen, every single week the champ Booker T will come out kick some rear end and the get 'Stopped' because of his knee injury. Then you've got Scott Hudson yelling out " I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE HYPEREXTENDED THAT KNEE!" Then his opponent (usually Jeff Jarret or Scott Steiner) will put on the sleeper and... well, guess what happens next.
WCW is so bad I actually laugh at it
It's one of the worst shows I've ever seen, every single week the champ Booker T will come out kick some rear end and the get 'Stopped' because of his knee injury. Then you've got Scott Hudson yelling out " I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE HYPEREXTENDED THAT KNEE!" Then his opponent (usually Jeff Jarret or Scott Steiner) will put on the sleeper and... well, guess what happens next.
WCW is so bad I actually laugh at it
azzido wrote:
MD whats really annoying about when someone sticks
> on a sleeper in the WWF is that no one EVER wins by it and as soon
> as you see somone put it on you can tell that the other ones going
> to make a come back.
I know, it's so funny!
I think it's a right laugh when they lay on the floor, and just shake, as if they're having a fit or something. Then the cheers of the audience 'revive' them!
Hulk Hogan was the king of that!
And whenever one guy holds another so that someone can hit him with a chair, you just know he's gonna duck!
MD whats really annoying about when someone sticks
> on a sleeper in the WWF is that no one EVER wins by it and as soon
> as you see somone put it on you can tell that the other ones going
> to make a come back.
I know, it's so funny!
I think it's a right laugh when they lay on the floor, and just shake, as if they're having a fit or something. Then the cheers of the audience 'revive' them!
Hulk Hogan was the king of that!
And whenever one guy holds another so that someone can hit him with a chair, you just know he's gonna duck!
Well said Venom and Meka.
What I mean't when I said that Wrestling games don't sell because of the WWF label is that it doesn't outside wrestling fans. Street Fighter sold to fans of ALL beat-em-ups wrestling fans included (although it wasn't quite so big back then)
FP, have you ever played any wrestling games? If you had you would agree that most wrestling games are actually a hell of a lot of fun.
MD whats really annoying about when someone sticks on a sleeper in the WWF is that no one EVER wins by it and as soon as you see somone put it on you can tell that the other ones going to make a come back.
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What I mean't when I said that Wrestling games don't sell because of the WWF label is that it doesn't outside wrestling fans. Street Fighter sold to fans of ALL beat-em-ups wrestling fans included (although it wasn't quite so big back then)
FP, have you ever played any wrestling games? If you had you would agree that most wrestling games are actually a hell of a lot of fun.
MD whats really annoying about when someone sticks on a sleeper in the WWF is that no one EVER wins by it and as soon as you see somone put it on you can tell that the other ones going to make a come back.
azz
Meka_Dragon wrote:
"And this initial post was completely wrong. Wrestling games
sell by the bucketload, because they're WWF endorsed."
This in fact is completely true. Another truth is the fact that many wrestleing games are extremely poor. They're slow with below average graphics and certainly don't represent the 'sport'.
The only wrestling game of any merit is WWF Smackdown and it has to be said that it's pretty good.
"And this initial post was completely wrong. Wrestling games
sell by the bucketload, because they're WWF endorsed."
This in fact is completely true. Another truth is the fact that many wrestleing games are extremely poor. They're slow with below average graphics and certainly don't represent the 'sport'.
The only wrestling game of any merit is WWF Smackdown and it has to be said that it's pretty good.
Sports entertainment, is what I believe they call it.
Personally, I think wrestling games are quite fun. I also believe that some beat 'em-ups have just gotten a little silly with the 99 hit combo's and the like, only performed by performing a complex string of button presses.
It takes half of the fun out of the game if you've got to pull off your combo before your opponent pulls of theirs.
Wrestling games suffer from something very similar in two player. Once you get the upper hand, you can keep on picking up your opponent and performing the same move on them, again, and again.
Maybe some kind of 'second-wind' feature is needed, like you see on television....
...after a twenty minute attack on The Rock, he lies lifeless. Triple H puts him in a slepper hold. It looks like The Rock has passed out. The referee lifts his arm, and it drops. A second time it falls. The referee lifts the arm again, knowing that if it should fall again, then it's all over.
Just as the arm begins to drop, The Rock manages to lift his arm! The crowd cheer, and The Rock gets his 'second-wind', all of a sudden he's capable of performing all of his moves to the best of his ability, like nothing was ever wrong with him. (Maybe there WAS nothing wrong with him.)
That's what wrestling games need. Second Wind.
And this initial post was completely wrong. Wrestling games sell by the bucketload, because they're WWF endorsed.
Personally, I think wrestling games are quite fun. I also believe that some beat 'em-ups have just gotten a little silly with the 99 hit combo's and the like, only performed by performing a complex string of button presses.
It takes half of the fun out of the game if you've got to pull off your combo before your opponent pulls of theirs.
Wrestling games suffer from something very similar in two player. Once you get the upper hand, you can keep on picking up your opponent and performing the same move on them, again, and again.
Maybe some kind of 'second-wind' feature is needed, like you see on television....
...after a twenty minute attack on The Rock, he lies lifeless. Triple H puts him in a slepper hold. It looks like The Rock has passed out. The referee lifts his arm, and it drops. A second time it falls. The referee lifts the arm again, knowing that if it should fall again, then it's all over.
Just as the arm begins to drop, The Rock manages to lift his arm! The crowd cheer, and The Rock gets his 'second-wind', all of a sudden he's capable of performing all of his moves to the best of his ability, like nothing was ever wrong with him. (Maybe there WAS nothing wrong with him.)
That's what wrestling games need. Second Wind.
And this initial post was completely wrong. Wrestling games sell by the bucketload, because they're WWF endorsed.
Perhaps wrestling games don't offer quite the same thing as 1v1 beat em ups, but then they were never supposed to. Games are about entertainment, and that's what wrestling games offer. If all you ever want is a straight competition of skill then you're taking games too seriously. Wrestling games come in to their own as mutiplayer entertainment, and this doen't mean they're for 'morons'. With a group of freinds around, it can be far more entertaining to beat each other up in the ring than to take turns getting mashed on Soul Calibur by the guy that owns the game. Westling also is more to do with sustained exploitation of your opponents mistakes. It's often very hard to get out of a bad situation, so in a way wrestling games have very little room for error on the players part, and therefore require a not insignificant level of skill to truly master.
As far as wrestling as a sport is concerned, so what if it's fake? So are movies, and so are Soaps. Wrestling at least, can be that little bit more unpredictable. With many films you just know that the good guy is going to take on a complex full of baddies with Uzi's, using only his pistol. They'll come at him one at a time, and in a group at the end, but inevitbly he'll take out the lot. With wrestling, you csn't predict what will happen, it revolves around plot twists - sometimes the favourite loses, sometimes not. Wrestling is a little like a Soap with more fighting.
Is that so bad?
As far as wrestling as a sport is concerned, so what if it's fake? So are movies, and so are Soaps. Wrestling at least, can be that little bit more unpredictable. With many films you just know that the good guy is going to take on a complex full of baddies with Uzi's, using only his pistol. They'll come at him one at a time, and in a group at the end, but inevitbly he'll take out the lot. With wrestling, you csn't predict what will happen, it revolves around plot twists - sometimes the favourite loses, sometimes not. Wrestling is a little like a Soap with more fighting.
Is that so bad?
You can complain that people won't buy it because it's wrestling, but how many wrestling fans out there would still buy the games if the characters bore no resembalance to those on the telly? Making it 'WWF endorsed' helps the selling of games, not hinders it.
I strongly dispute the fact that a wrestling game can somehow resemble Tekken. The essential difference between wretling games and your typical one Vs one beat em up is in the control of your character. Tekken allows much greater varietly in moves. On a basic level, you're saying that they all involve punches, kicks, grabs, blocks and whatnot, but that's really an over simplification. For one thing, TTT works just as well as a 2D beat em up as well as a 3D one - just don't press sidestep. A wrestling game would never work like that. Playing a wrestling game feels somewhat 'primative' compared to games like TTT or Soul Calibur. The action is arguably slower and moves tend to be less varied. No doubt you won't agree with that, but it's true.
Now for my blatantly biased summary:
Wrestling games just don't offer the sense of control and skill to appeal to hardcore gamers, hence why they refer to 'lesser' gamers that play wrestling games, as blithering morons.
I strongly dispute the fact that a wrestling game can somehow resemble Tekken. The essential difference between wretling games and your typical one Vs one beat em up is in the control of your character. Tekken allows much greater varietly in moves. On a basic level, you're saying that they all involve punches, kicks, grabs, blocks and whatnot, but that's really an over simplification. For one thing, TTT works just as well as a 2D beat em up as well as a 3D one - just don't press sidestep. A wrestling game would never work like that. Playing a wrestling game feels somewhat 'primative' compared to games like TTT or Soul Calibur. The action is arguably slower and moves tend to be less varied. No doubt you won't agree with that, but it's true.
Now for my blatantly biased summary:
Wrestling games just don't offer the sense of control and skill to appeal to hardcore gamers, hence why they refer to 'lesser' gamers that play wrestling games, as blithering morons.
This should be in the WWF forum but this is aimed at non wrestling fans.
Right I am sick and tired of people stereotyping wrestling fans and games. Just because we happen to like a "fake" sport were all stupid? Whats wrong with wrestling? If you don't like it steer clear of it and leave other people to enjoy it.
Isn't watching wrestling better than going out and doing bog all on day on the streets? Bunking school, smoking god knows what and p***ing our lives down the pot of life? Would you rather have people on the streets or off them?
The games aswell. They don't sell very well, not because they are rubbish games but because they are endorsed by the WWF. If you took out the ring and set it in Tailand or something and changed all the wrestlers names to something else, you could call it Tekken. And if it didn't have the WWF label and played EXACTLY the same do you think it would sell better? Of course it would. Do you know why it would? Because all of the stereotypical cynics would say "ah right Tekken. Thats alright as long as none of the fighting games I play are WWF then I'm happy. Becasue the WWF is fake and people might think I'm a fan!"
when it comes down to it isn't it the PLAYABILITY of the game what is supposed to be judged and not what the game is based on? Have any of you non wrestling fans actually PLAYED a wrestling game before tossing it aside and saying "Wrestling, must be crap" Most of the wrestling games I've palyed have actually been really good fun, not because I get to see lots of people in spandex fly around performing ridiculous moves, but because I really enjoyed myself while playing the games.
Wrestling is about as big a craze as you will find. It's bigger than Pokémon ever was and it's going to continue being popular. Much as you might hate to admit it wrestling fans actually outnumber wrestling non fans among the 5-19 age group.
Something to think about
Right I am sick and tired of people stereotyping wrestling fans and games. Just because we happen to like a "fake" sport were all stupid? Whats wrong with wrestling? If you don't like it steer clear of it and leave other people to enjoy it.
Isn't watching wrestling better than going out and doing bog all on day on the streets? Bunking school, smoking god knows what and p***ing our lives down the pot of life? Would you rather have people on the streets or off them?
The games aswell. They don't sell very well, not because they are rubbish games but because they are endorsed by the WWF. If you took out the ring and set it in Tailand or something and changed all the wrestlers names to something else, you could call it Tekken. And if it didn't have the WWF label and played EXACTLY the same do you think it would sell better? Of course it would. Do you know why it would? Because all of the stereotypical cynics would say "ah right Tekken. Thats alright as long as none of the fighting games I play are WWF then I'm happy. Becasue the WWF is fake and people might think I'm a fan!"
when it comes down to it isn't it the PLAYABILITY of the game what is supposed to be judged and not what the game is based on? Have any of you non wrestling fans actually PLAYED a wrestling game before tossing it aside and saying "Wrestling, must be crap" Most of the wrestling games I've palyed have actually been really good fun, not because I get to see lots of people in spandex fly around performing ridiculous moves, but because I really enjoyed myself while playing the games.
Wrestling is about as big a craze as you will find. It's bigger than Pokémon ever was and it's going to continue being popular. Much as you might hate to admit it wrestling fans actually outnumber wrestling non fans among the 5-19 age group.
Something to think about