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So if you want to play games and you have a PC that does everything want but not up to gaming standards why spend up to a £1000 on upgrades when you can get yourself a dedicated games console. Some people may be put off about the fact that they historically are preserved for youngsters. But the Dreamcast and PS2 now have the power and software to embarrass a good PC. It’s not pocket money price but it definitely wouldn’t break the bank like a PC upgrade would, as at the moment the most expensive is the PS2 at £300 and it even comes with a DVD player. But basic comes down to which one suits you the best.
Like I have said if you want to do PC gaming it is either going to be a new PC at about £1000 but if you want top notch visual you’ll probably want to spend double that. For instance a top of the range graphics card will set you back about £400 (for than money you could a PS2 with a couple of games) then on top of that you’ll need 16MB of graphic memory a decent sound card and don forget the games controller.
But why do that when in March you can pop in a shop and go can I have a PS2 hand over £300 get home plug in and your ready to play in about five minutes. Brilliant. No setup, no installing it’s simple. Also because it is a dedicated games machine a lot of its processing power can go into the graphics and because it is the fastest number-crunching system for gaming (PC and Console) it means that the draw rate can be a lot faster. So considering this it is about ten times the speed of a Pentium III processor. So you have all your gaming needs in a relatively small £300 mean machine.
But the year old Dreamcast’s price has lowered dramatically and for it’s price it is a superb console that is total dedicated to games and you know that the console is going to be good when it’s made but Sega. But after an uncertain start it is now finding it’s feet and producing some great games. Also with the modem it is the only console at the moment that can be played online and on a performance price ratio it is probably the best priced console on the market. So PS2 included these two machines really cab give PC gaming a run for their money.
As for the games both system console and PC offer some great games. But through comparing you can see how the two different system market different genres of games. For instance with fighting games nothing can match consoles with the brilliant Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast and the impressive Tekken Tag Tournament on the PS2 the PC has nothing to match the quality of the consoles. I mean fighting games on the PC are rarer than flying penguins.
But the PC’s can boast as well because all the action games such as Quake and Doom series started on the PC and these great games appeal to the kind of people that are going to upgrade their computer software. Also most of these titles have online capabilities, but although saying that most of the PC shooters move to consoles anyway and the DC’s Quake III is going online this year. So the only advantage that the PC gamers have is they get to play them first, and with TimeSplitters and Unreal Tournament on the PS2 the consoles have great line up to.
I also feel that consoles with the likes of famous platform characters like Sonic and Mario and the great games that they provide far exceed platform games on the PC. Sonic on the DC is beautiful to look at and so is Rayman on the PS2. Then there is driving games, now this is pretty even the consoles have GT3 and Sega Rally plus a lot more and the PC has amazing Grand Prix which is so realistic and no like the games on console where you bounce off walls. But you can see a pattern here consoles make more fun entertaining games whereas the PC makes fun games but perhaps with a bit more seriousness and realism. So genres like sport sim which is meant to be fun and realist are pretty even. But even then you find that the management games (serious) are better on PC.
So to conclude this all that can be said is that the two different systems appeal to different markets. For instance a child couldn’t afford to spend a thousand pound on upgrading a PC so it is going to be adults playing on computers more so the material has to be more suited to them. Whereas the traditional child’s console, is meant to be more fun and entertaining and perhaps not a great challenge. But I think that has changed as the PS2 and Dreamcast are becoming more realistic and the graphical processing is getting very quick it means that the upgrade of computers is becoming very expensive. So in the next year the console games could be embarrassing the computer games as with realism and fun that the console games will have there isn’t much the PC can achieve to out do the console except a dramatic price cut in computer software. So at a fraction of the price and with loading as simple as playing an audio disc I feel that the future of gaming is definitely in the hands of the consoles. Simple because they’re cheaper and getting close to the computers qualities all the time.
", I think that the PC offers just as much (if not more) in the way of single player games, but can never match a console for frantic multiplayer fun."
You think playing DC Quake is superior to playing Quake on a PC?
But otherwise I'd have to agree... playing Super Mario Kart on the PC just doesnt have the same feel as sitting in the lounge with a few mates and some bevvies after a night out...
The real difference between PC and console gaming as I see it, is that you tend not to get a group of friends around a PC with 4 pads in a mate's bedroom. Personally, I think that the PC offers just as much (if not more) in the way of single player games, but can never match a console for frantic multiplayer fun. Both now have internet access too, so that point cancels itself out.
Also it's much easier (well...cheaper anyway) to get hold of pirated PC games...but that's another matter.
PC's wernt developed for GamePlay, and arnt intended for pure gameplaying use.
Which isnt to say the PC games arnt good, and that a person with a PC cant use it purely for game...
But to comapire a PC to a dedicated games machine is a waste of time, since the arguments will always be on different levels, the expectations of console users will always be very different to those of PC users...
And with the advent of online gaming via console, and DVD players (PS2), the consoles are developing into hybrid PC's but still with less functionality.
Personally, I have been a console gamer since Pong came out, but now that my PC is up to spec., I've been converted to the delights of PC gaming ever since. The PC is now my main gaming platform, the PSX is gathering dust in the corner (well it's actually sitting below the TV on a shelf but you see the analogy), so Sony and PSX developers have lost me as a customer, because the console just cannot compare.
Since the Voodoo 4 card went in at the start of this year (one third the price of a PS2), nothing seems to be up to par. I've played on a PS2, but still my PC calls to me, saying "Play me! Play me!"
I'm going to see my doctor.
Its pointless to compaire computers to Consoles, they are completly different beasts...
you can pick up a gig PC for 500 pounds now... a computer can be upgraded, so that although graphically inferior to a console at the time of release, within 6 onths it will be equal, and within 12 exceeded its graphic capibility.
Consoles are stuck at the same spec for over 5 years.... PS1's games looked fantastic 5 years ago, but look cheap and shoddy now.
Essentially if you ony want to play games buy a console. If you want more then buy a PC.
There completly different beats, and not suited for a Vs. war.
First i doesn't have superior
> graphics and secondly to good better graphics you have to spend a
> fortune
Mine does, and I didn't have to
But then again the computer software improves
> so dam quickly that if you buy a top spec computer five years down
> the line it is almost worthless. Whereas a playstation has been on
> the market nearly six years in Japan and it is still going strong.
> It's longer than my PC has lasted
The PSX will be dead in 2 years tops. Top spec computers are only bought by nerds, not gamers. My PC is 10 years old.
playstation 2 it
> will probably last about five or six years so playstation games
> could be played perhaps up to ten years from release. But then again
> you want to play new games not old ones
Not necessarily. I still enjoy Betrayal at Krondor, which is 7 years old, and X-Wing, same age. New games I can wait for, I ain't the type who buys on the day of release. If I were I'd have a PS2 as well.
So far, only the PS2 and the XBox look like being capable of matching frame for frame the online gaming abilities of a PC, but I can't afford broadband connection, the rental here is still to high, and if a console offers me that ability, I don't want to have to shell out extra for it, and power supplies around Iceland aren't exactly reliable, so I'd want to use that sort of connection for more than just gaming to give me a sense that it was worth the extra outlay.
> Ah! But! The PC still has superior graphics when you consider you
First i doesn't have superior graphics and secondly to good better graphics you have to spend a fortune
Even more importantly, historically consoles have
> lacked ongoing support, they only last around 5 or so years, and
> then that's it, you can only get them on the 2nd hand
> market.
But then again the computer software improves so dam quickly that if you buy a top spec computer five years down the line it is almost worthless. Whereas a playstation has been on the market nearly six years in Japan and it is still going strong. It's longer than my PC has lasted
With an up to date or year old PC, you can play almost
> any historical PC game, and you don't even have to buy a lot of them
same with the playstation 2 it will probably last about five or six years so playstation games could be played perhaps up to ten years from release. But then again you want to play new games not old ones
Even more importantly, historically consoles have lacked ongoing support, they only last around 5 or so years, and then that's it, you can only get them on the 2nd hand market.
With an up to date or year old PC, you can play almost any historical PC game, and you don't even have to buy a lot of them anymore. You can download shareware titles, large demo levels, download complete games from some sites if you know where to look. So valuewise, the PC can still be a good long term investment, particularly when you consider all the other things it can do for you as well as play games.
True, the consoles are at the forefront of practical, quick and easy gaming. But the PC still gives better long term value for its initial investment.
So if you want to play games and you have a PC that does everything want but not up to gaming standards why spend up to a £1000 on upgrades when you can get yourself a dedicated games console. Some people may be put off about the fact that they historically are preserved for youngsters. But the Dreamcast and PS2 now have the power and software to embarrass a good PC. It’s not pocket money price but it definitely wouldn’t break the bank like a PC upgrade would, as at the moment the most expensive is the PS2 at £300 and it even comes with a DVD player. But basic comes down to which one suits you the best.
Like I have said if you want to do PC gaming it is either going to be a new PC at about £1000 but if you want top notch visual you’ll probably want to spend double that. For instance a top of the range graphics card will set you back about £400 (for than money you could a PS2 with a couple of games) then on top of that you’ll need 16MB of graphic memory a decent sound card and don forget the games controller.
But why do that when in March you can pop in a shop and go can I have a PS2 hand over £300 get home plug in and your ready to play in about five minutes. Brilliant. No setup, no installing it’s simple. Also because it is a dedicated games machine a lot of its processing power can go into the graphics and because it is the fastest number-crunching system for gaming (PC and Console) it means that the draw rate can be a lot faster. So considering this it is about ten times the speed of a Pentium III processor. So you have all your gaming needs in a relatively small £300 mean machine.
But the year old Dreamcast’s price has lowered dramatically and for it’s price it is a superb console that is total dedicated to games and you know that the console is going to be good when it’s made but Sega. But after an uncertain start it is now finding it’s feet and producing some great games. Also with the modem it is the only console at the moment that can be played online and on a performance price ratio it is probably the best priced console on the market. So PS2 included these two machines really cab give PC gaming a run for their money.
As for the games both system console and PC offer some great games. But through comparing you can see how the two different system market different genres of games. For instance with fighting games nothing can match consoles with the brilliant Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast and the impressive Tekken Tag Tournament on the PS2 the PC has nothing to match the quality of the consoles. I mean fighting games on the PC are rarer than flying penguins.
But the PC’s can boast as well because all the action games such as Quake and Doom series started on the PC and these great games appeal to the kind of people that are going to upgrade their computer software. Also most of these titles have online capabilities, but although saying that most of the PC shooters move to consoles anyway and the DC’s Quake III is going online this year. So the only advantage that the PC gamers have is they get to play them first, and with TimeSplitters and Unreal Tournament on the PS2 the consoles have great line up to.
I also feel that consoles with the likes of famous platform characters like Sonic and Mario and the great games that they provide far exceed platform games on the PC. Sonic on the DC is beautiful to look at and so is Rayman on the PS2. Then there is driving games, now this is pretty even the consoles have GT3 and Sega Rally plus a lot more and the PC has amazing Grand Prix which is so realistic and no like the games on console where you bounce off walls. But you can see a pattern here consoles make more fun entertaining games whereas the PC makes fun games but perhaps with a bit more seriousness and realism. So genres like sport sim which is meant to be fun and realist are pretty even. But even then you find that the management games (serious) are better on PC.
So to conclude this all that can be said is that the two different systems appeal to different markets. For instance a child couldn’t afford to spend a thousand pound on upgrading a PC so it is going to be adults playing on computers more so the material has to be more suited to them. Whereas the traditional child’s console, is meant to be more fun and entertaining and perhaps not a great challenge. But I think that has changed as the PS2 and Dreamcast are becoming more realistic and the graphical processing is getting very quick it means that the upgrade of computers is becoming very expensive. So in the next year the console games could be embarrassing the computer games as with realism and fun that the console games will have there isn’t much the PC can achieve to out do the console except a dramatic price cut in computer software. So at a fraction of the price and with loading as simple as playing an audio disc I feel that the future of gaming is definitely in the hands of the consoles. Simple because they’re cheaper and getting close to the computers qualities all the time.