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Two topics that I want to address.
Degree Snobbery, is it justified?
Are some degrees available today worth more than others? Are some degrees worth having at all?
I probably have a slightly distorted view of the situation, so I want to know what your views are. Are science related degrees worth more that arts degrees?
I think probably not, depending on the subject I think that established arts degrees are as valuable as established science degrees, but what about within each area. Are some scientific subjects worth more than others. I'm not sure. Well, that and I don't have the cahoonah's to say if I do, and if I did I probably wouldn't keep them very long.
As for Arts degrees, well there seems to be new arts degrees popping up all the time and I'm sure some of them aren't worth the paper that they're written on. Arts used to mean things like art, english, literature. These days it seems to be a term for anything that isn't a science. Are they worth all the effort that the students put into them? Or are they simply being created to make more places for more students who perhaps shouldn't be going to university?
I remember a certain Labour Party Leader saying "Education, education, education!". He wanted 75% of students going on to further and higher education. Didn't he realise that if 75% of people do it, it no longer becomes further education, but normal education, and also it means that the standard of british education falls. Didn't he realise that some people just aren't academic enough to enter the system.
Don't get me wrong. I think those people are extremely valuable members of society. I'm always a little jealous when I see people who can do more practical things. Build things from bricks or mortar of wood. And now we don't have enough plumbers, or electricians. Where have all the tradesmen gone?
With a greater focus on educations there is now a shortage on skilled tradesmen. So what is the answer to this? Perhaps it's the MPb. Creating a degree in a skilled trade could remove some of the stigma associated with not continuing education, but may create more appropriate further education for certain people. That way the quality of British academic degrees rises and we no longer have to pay £80 for some guy to fix a dripping tap.
Degree Snobbery, is it justified?
Are some degrees available today worth more than others? Are some degrees worth having at all?
I probably have a slightly distorted view of the situation, so I want to know what your views are. Are science related degrees worth more that arts degrees?
I think probably not, depending on the subject I think that established arts degrees are as valuable as established science degrees, but what about within each area. Are some scientific subjects worth more than others. I'm not sure. Well, that and I don't have the cahoonah's to say if I do, and if I did I probably wouldn't keep them very long.
As for Arts degrees, well there seems to be new arts degrees popping up all the time and I'm sure some of them aren't worth the paper that they're written on. Arts used to mean things like art, english, literature. These days it seems to be a term for anything that isn't a science. Are they worth all the effort that the students put into them? Or are they simply being created to make more places for more students who perhaps shouldn't be going to university?
I remember a certain Labour Party Leader saying "Education, education, education!". He wanted 75% of students going on to further and higher education. Didn't he realise that if 75% of people do it, it no longer becomes further education, but normal education, and also it means that the standard of british education falls. Didn't he realise that some people just aren't academic enough to enter the system.
Don't get me wrong. I think those people are extremely valuable members of society. I'm always a little jealous when I see people who can do more practical things. Build things from bricks or mortar of wood. And now we don't have enough plumbers, or electricians. Where have all the tradesmen gone?
With a greater focus on educations there is now a shortage on skilled tradesmen. So what is the answer to this? Perhaps it's the MPb. Creating a degree in a skilled trade could remove some of the stigma associated with not continuing education, but may create more appropriate further education for certain people. That way the quality of British academic degrees rises and we no longer have to pay £80 for some guy to fix a dripping tap.
Dr Duck wrote:
> Hmm.
> I took a politics module last year as part of my law degree. Despite
> not having really done any politics study before I took a comfortable
> 2:1 for the 20 credit module. I've put more effort into, and got lower
> marks out of, many a 10 credit law module.
>
> With absolutely no disrespect to anyone, either I'm doing the wrong
> degree or politics is easier.
>
> It's always difficult to tell whether people are admiring the next
> field's grass when they suggest the students on another course have
> things easier, but just looking at the amount of work some of my
> freinds (don't) put in to their work, I think it's pretty clear that a
> 2:1 in one subject can't be equated with the same grade in another.
>
I think that sometimes it's easy to say that some sciences are more difficult that some arts subjects, but I don't think that it's as clear cut as that.
I did a science subject mainly because I like the fact that in the majority of cases with science subjects you are either right or wrong. There is no grey areas, no essay writing, and no games to play about what the essay marker wants to read. I couldn't do an arts subject, but I don't think that an arts degree is harder than a science degree. It's just not right for me. So I think that it follows that all degrees, whether they are science type subjects or art type subject, are not equal.
> Hmm.
> I took a politics module last year as part of my law degree. Despite
> not having really done any politics study before I took a comfortable
> 2:1 for the 20 credit module. I've put more effort into, and got lower
> marks out of, many a 10 credit law module.
>
> With absolutely no disrespect to anyone, either I'm doing the wrong
> degree or politics is easier.
>
> It's always difficult to tell whether people are admiring the next
> field's grass when they suggest the students on another course have
> things easier, but just looking at the amount of work some of my
> freinds (don't) put in to their work, I think it's pretty clear that a
> 2:1 in one subject can't be equated with the same grade in another.
>
I think that sometimes it's easy to say that some sciences are more difficult that some arts subjects, but I don't think that it's as clear cut as that.
I did a science subject mainly because I like the fact that in the majority of cases with science subjects you are either right or wrong. There is no grey areas, no essay writing, and no games to play about what the essay marker wants to read. I couldn't do an arts subject, but I don't think that an arts degree is harder than a science degree. It's just not right for me. So I think that it follows that all degrees, whether they are science type subjects or art type subject, are not equal.
Hmm.
I took a politics module last year as part of my law degree. Despite not having really done any politics study before I took a comfortable 2:1 for the 20 credit module. I've put more effort into, and got lower marks out of, many a 10 credit law module.
With absolutely no disrespect to anyone, either I'm doing the wrong degree or politics is easier.
It's always difficult to tell whether people are admiring the next field's grass when they suggest the students on another course have things easier, but just looking at the amount of work some of my freinds (don't) put in to their work, I think it's pretty clear that a 2:1 in one subject can't be equated with the same grade in another.
Simon Says wrote:
> Didn't
> he realise that some people just aren't academic enough to enter the
> system.
>
> With a greater focus on educations there is now a shortage on skilled
> tradesmen. So what is the answer to this? Perhaps it's the MPb.
> Creating a degree in a skilled trade could remove some of the stigma
> associated with not continuing education, but may create more
> appropriate further education for certain people.
I think you've got it dead on here.
I took a politics module last year as part of my law degree. Despite not having really done any politics study before I took a comfortable 2:1 for the 20 credit module. I've put more effort into, and got lower marks out of, many a 10 credit law module.
With absolutely no disrespect to anyone, either I'm doing the wrong degree or politics is easier.
It's always difficult to tell whether people are admiring the next field's grass when they suggest the students on another course have things easier, but just looking at the amount of work some of my freinds (don't) put in to their work, I think it's pretty clear that a 2:1 in one subject can't be equated with the same grade in another.
Simon Says wrote:
> Didn't
> he realise that some people just aren't academic enough to enter the
> system.
>
> With a greater focus on educations there is now a shortage on skilled
> tradesmen. So what is the answer to this? Perhaps it's the MPb.
> Creating a degree in a skilled trade could remove some of the stigma
> associated with not continuing education, but may create more
> appropriate further education for certain people.
I think you've got it dead on here.
Two topics that I want to address.
Degree Snobbery, is it justified?
Are some degrees available today worth more than others? Are some degrees worth having at all?
I probably have a slightly distorted view of the situation, so I want to know what your views are. Are science related degrees worth more that arts degrees?
I think probably not, depending on the subject I think that established arts degrees are as valuable as established science degrees, but what about within each area. Are some scientific subjects worth more than others. I'm not sure. Well, that and I don't have the cahoonah's to say if I do, and if I did I probably wouldn't keep them very long.
As for Arts degrees, well there seems to be new arts degrees popping up all the time and I'm sure some of them aren't worth the paper that they're written on. Arts used to mean things like art, english, literature. These days it seems to be a term for anything that isn't a science. Are they worth all the effort that the students put into them? Or are they simply being created to make more places for more students who perhaps shouldn't be going to university?
I remember a certain Labour Party Leader saying "Education, education, education!". He wanted 75% of students going on to further and higher education. Didn't he realise that if 75% of people do it, it no longer becomes further education, but normal education, and also it means that the standard of british education falls. Didn't he realise that some people just aren't academic enough to enter the system.
Don't get me wrong. I think those people are extremely valuable members of society. I'm always a little jealous when I see people who can do more practical things. Build things from bricks or mortar of wood. And now we don't have enough plumbers, or electricians. Where have all the tradesmen gone?
With a greater focus on educations there is now a shortage on skilled tradesmen. So what is the answer to this? Perhaps it's the MPb. Creating a degree in a skilled trade could remove some of the stigma associated with not continuing education, but may create more appropriate further education for certain people. That way the quality of British academic degrees rises and we no longer have to pay £80 for some guy to fix a dripping tap.
Degree Snobbery, is it justified?
Are some degrees available today worth more than others? Are some degrees worth having at all?
I probably have a slightly distorted view of the situation, so I want to know what your views are. Are science related degrees worth more that arts degrees?
I think probably not, depending on the subject I think that established arts degrees are as valuable as established science degrees, but what about within each area. Are some scientific subjects worth more than others. I'm not sure. Well, that and I don't have the cahoonah's to say if I do, and if I did I probably wouldn't keep them very long.
As for Arts degrees, well there seems to be new arts degrees popping up all the time and I'm sure some of them aren't worth the paper that they're written on. Arts used to mean things like art, english, literature. These days it seems to be a term for anything that isn't a science. Are they worth all the effort that the students put into them? Or are they simply being created to make more places for more students who perhaps shouldn't be going to university?
I remember a certain Labour Party Leader saying "Education, education, education!". He wanted 75% of students going on to further and higher education. Didn't he realise that if 75% of people do it, it no longer becomes further education, but normal education, and also it means that the standard of british education falls. Didn't he realise that some people just aren't academic enough to enter the system.
Don't get me wrong. I think those people are extremely valuable members of society. I'm always a little jealous when I see people who can do more practical things. Build things from bricks or mortar of wood. And now we don't have enough plumbers, or electricians. Where have all the tradesmen gone?
With a greater focus on educations there is now a shortage on skilled tradesmen. So what is the answer to this? Perhaps it's the MPb. Creating a degree in a skilled trade could remove some of the stigma associated with not continuing education, but may create more appropriate further education for certain people. That way the quality of British academic degrees rises and we no longer have to pay £80 for some guy to fix a dripping tap.