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Tue 16/12/08 at 15:58
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Robert Llewellyn's rant (some swearing)

It doesnt make sense, they've been making electric cars for decades now and still we're not driving them. Seriously whats the hold up? Hasn't battery technology greatly improved over the last 30 years? Or is it exactly how Robert puts it and the oil companies don't want us to give up our oil addiction.
Sat 27/12/08 at 11:34
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This looks interesting

100miles for 45p and no road tax.

You rent it for £750 a month, recharging takes 7 hours using three-pin plug or 20 minutes if you use their vending machine sized unit which you get with the car.

Only 200 for lease, prices will come shooting down when they produce more.
Sat 27/12/08 at 00:41
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Top Gear might like to think we have an unlimited supply of water but we dont, infact we're always told to conserve it.

We plug in and charge up our laptops, mobiles, cameras, handheld consoles and even toothbrushes. So why cant we do the same to our cars? Over the last 10 years havent the batteries gotten smaller, lighter and last longer? So can the batteries for a car.

Although now that I think about it, arent the batteries in the Tesla made up of laptop batteries? That wouldn't surprise me. It seems our desire to have smaller gadgets that have longer lasting batteries is what is helping the electric car become a reality.

I think the oil companies will survive, it's just we'd rather save some of it for the next couple of thousands generations. We don't want to waste all of it in a little over a hundred years.

Oh and I do love Top Gear, it's just I'm more than happy to charge my car for a few hours each night if it means the rich don't get any richer and use that money to influence governments around the world.
Fri 26/12/08 at 23:37
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If we truly do have a water based resource thats every bit as efficient as nuclear power or petrol we should implement it easily. But then its the issue of the status quo. It could set off a chain reaction of epic proportions and there will be lots of losers (thats not to say that there will be a lot of winners.)


It'll probably take time to adopt. The west will have cleaner tech whilst poorer developer countries still resort to petrolium. That said, oil is still a very vital resource for every day products (tar, jet fuel etc etc) so companies will still make money regardless.
Fri 26/12/08 at 17:52
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Just a little update.

BBC has admitted misleading viewers about Tesla

Why would they want to do that for? And why would Jeremy Clarkson go on to say "I expected the track to be quieter today, but not to hear the sound of silence" :S
Tue 16/12/08 at 23:09
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You can't expect Top Gear to be reliable with their facts especially when they're so anti electric cars. :) I don't think anyone would want a car that takes 16 hours to refuel.

So I went straight to the Tesla website and Wikipedia for some fact checking.

- 0 to 60mph in 3.9 seconds
- Top speed electrically limited to 125mph
- Can travel 244 miles on a single charge
- 3.5 hours to fully charge using High Power Connector (less for partially charged state)
- About £3.50 to fully charge
- Battery lasts 100,000 miles or 5 years before being replaced and recycled

Looks promising doesnt it? The only big negative at the moment I see is the cost of the replacement battery which is $20,000 but that will obviously go down in price. (this is a first generation sports car model for the celebrities and wealthy after all)

It's a shame this is coming from a small company and not one of the larger manufacturers who are currently asking for a bail out. :S

Oh and one other thing worth mentioning, is it's being assembled in the UK. So that should please Tony.
Tue 16/12/08 at 22:10
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The current electric cars take too long to recharge,

What you need is a better form of hybrid. A petrol engine to start the car and get you rolling, one set of batteries which are then used to keep you going and another which get charged by the movement of the car.

Now if you think, your car battery is charged already this way. Ok, so it's not really outputting all that much power but this could be improved. This way, longer journeys would actually recharge the car better. When one set of batteries is nearing exhaustion then ithe car would automatically switch to the second set and the first set would be recharged.

If you still needed a top up charge after that you just charge as normal from the mains.

Oh, and I do about 75 miles a day, so I'd probably need to somehow charge a car like the Tesler for 16 hours each day.
Tue 16/12/08 at 16:59
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The thing about hydrogen is that they make it by running vasts amount of electricity through water. So maybe the same amount of electricity to fill 1 hydrogen car could be used to fill 8 electric cars instead.

The way they presented the race between the electric car and the petrol car was a little disappointing, okay they broke it and they needed to charge it but that doesnt mean the whole car is worthless. I mean pb has been driving for years how often does he drive over 100mph around a race track or drive all the way from devon to the top of Scotland. Someone tell me the distance the average car driver does in a day and we'll see if an electric car can handle that.

Just watching the bit of James May testing the multi million dollar hydrogen car (a little more expensive than the teslar Clarkson was driving at £90,000 I think).

Hmm carry on using service stations or plug your car into the wall socket like you do with your laptop and ipod? Tough choices. Especially when you can fill up an electric car for £3.50 and pay the same price for hydrogen as you do for petrol, which is a little more expensive.

So no, I don't think hydrogen cars are the future. I'd rather bypass the oil companies and just switch to electric and put some solar panels on the roof and wind turbine in the back garden. :)
Tue 16/12/08 at 16:13
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Watch this week's Top Gear to see why Battery power just isn't working. Hydrogen looks promising though, but would require a vast change in petrol stations everywhere and would be expensive to fill at first (not to mention issues with the combustible gas).
Tue 16/12/08 at 15:58
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Robert Llewellyn's rant (some swearing)

It doesnt make sense, they've been making electric cars for decades now and still we're not driving them. Seriously whats the hold up? Hasn't battery technology greatly improved over the last 30 years? Or is it exactly how Robert puts it and the oil companies don't want us to give up our oil addiction.

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