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Lt Col Tim Collins, who leads the battlegroup of the 1st Bn of the Royal Irish rallies his troops with a speech that encapsulates the ideals of what is sadly a misguided and illegitamate war:
"It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.
The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity
We go to liberate not to conquer.
We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them.
There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose.
But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.
If someone surrenders, ensure that one day they go home to their family. The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please
If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest, for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.
Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing.
Don't treat them as refugees, for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.
If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day.
Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.
As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there. Our business now is north”
"It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.
The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity
We go to liberate not to conquer.
We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them.
There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose.
But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.
If someone surrenders, ensure that one day they go home to their family. The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please
If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest, for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.
Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing.
Don't treat them as refugees, for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.
If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day.
Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.
As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there. Our business now is north”
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Yep, an excellent legitimation for the killing...
If it has to be done it has to be done, but to posture that the only people they'll kill will be Iraqi soldiers fighting of their own choice seems to blindly ignore the statistical inevitability of civilian slaughter.
I'm not saying I'm for it, I'm not saying I'm against it. I have the sufficient knowledge of neither the reality of the threat or the true motives of western leaders to be able to be satisfactorily comfortable standing under either opinion.
And it was an excellent speach, making the best of what must have been a difficult psychological situation for the soldiers going out there.
But the only casualties going voluntarily? Load of ship.
If it has to be done it has to be done, but to posture that the only people they'll kill will be Iraqi soldiers fighting of their own choice seems to blindly ignore the statistical inevitability of civilian slaughter.
I'm not saying I'm for it, I'm not saying I'm against it. I have the sufficient knowledge of neither the reality of the threat or the true motives of western leaders to be able to be satisfactorily comfortable standing under either opinion.
And it was an excellent speach, making the best of what must have been a difficult psychological situation for the soldiers going out there.
But the only casualties going voluntarily? Load of ship.
I heard somewhere that France has stocks in Iraqi oil. Or something.
That sounds like as good a speech as you could say to a whole load of troops who are unsure about their homeland and their motives.
That sounds like as good a speech as you could say to a whole load of troops who are unsure about their homeland and their motives.
SHEEPY wrote:
> Maybe Britain and America shouldn't have sold them the same weapons as
> they have
It's just been on Sky News (in the ticker at the bottom of the screen) that official figures show that France and Germany are the top EU exporters to Iraq.
Interesting point, no?
> Maybe Britain and America shouldn't have sold them the same weapons as
> they have
It's just been on Sky News (in the ticker at the bottom of the screen) that official figures show that France and Germany are the top EU exporters to Iraq.
Interesting point, no?
All over websites.
BBC/Sky News
BBC/Sky News
Superb speech. Where did you find it?
On a different note, I was wondering if Operation Iraqi Freedom was the original name of the action, or whether somebody thought that Operation Iraqi Liberation had an unfortunate acronym.
On a different note, I was wondering if Operation Iraqi Freedom was the original name of the action, or whether somebody thought that Operation Iraqi Liberation had an unfortunate acronym.
Maybe Britain and America shouldn't have sold them the same weapons as they have t
Insane Bartender wrote:
> At least their remaining choppers haven't started blowing up their own
> tanks yet.
Remembering the Gulf War in 1991 - the fact that our troops have been told NOT to fly the flag worries me.
In '91, our vehicles (meaning British troops in particular) were clearly marked, and the Americans still managed to hit them, thinking they were the enemy. In fact, the US killed more British troops than the Iraqi's.
This time, our troops will NOT be clearly identified.
If I were in the military, I would be worried - not necessarily about the troops in front of me, but probably moreso about those behind me.
Weapons may have become far more accurate in the last 12 years, but there's no way to account for the incompetent troops unleashing them.
> At least their remaining choppers haven't started blowing up their own
> tanks yet.
Remembering the Gulf War in 1991 - the fact that our troops have been told NOT to fly the flag worries me.
In '91, our vehicles (meaning British troops in particular) were clearly marked, and the Americans still managed to hit them, thinking they were the enemy. In fact, the US killed more British troops than the Iraqi's.
This time, our troops will NOT be clearly identified.
If I were in the military, I would be worried - not necessarily about the troops in front of me, but probably moreso about those behind me.
Weapons may have become far more accurate in the last 12 years, but there's no way to account for the incompetent troops unleashing them.
Did you know that the Americans lost a chopper already?
A Special Forces team crash landed before the fighting even begun.
At least their remaining choppers haven't started blowing up their own tanks yet.
A Special Forces team crash landed before the fighting even begun.
At least their remaining choppers haven't started blowing up their own tanks yet.
Yup.
True Story:
My cousin is in Canadian Airborne and they had Navy Seal teams up for manouvres a couple of years ago.
The Seals were all "Yeah, we're badass".
Exercise was the Airborne went off into the mountains and The Seals had to track them and take them as prisoners.
After 3 days, Airborne come down to camp bored, tired and fed up. They then have to send out search and rescue to find the Seal teams, by now holed up in a cave trying to stave off hypothermia.
They got lost within the first 14 hours.
True Story:
My cousin is in Canadian Airborne and they had Navy Seal teams up for manouvres a couple of years ago.
The Seals were all "Yeah, we're badass".
Exercise was the Airborne went off into the mountains and The Seals had to track them and take them as prisoners.
After 3 days, Airborne come down to camp bored, tired and fed up. They then have to send out search and rescue to find the Seal teams, by now holed up in a cave trying to stave off hypothermia.
They got lost within the first 14 hours.
Yeah but he's still in the army
I did see that guy yesterday
Did he not walk on at his 'gig' to Queen's 'We will rock you'?
I did see that guy yesterday
Did he not walk on at his 'gig' to Queen's 'We will rock you'?
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