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That's how many nuclear weapons Korea will soon be capable of making. No wonder George has kindly swept it aside.
Blank wrote:
> And why are they willing to push them as far as they can? There is a
> purpose to every action. "It basically comes down to as
> much" - because you evidently know all there is to know on the
> matter. You obviously are a member of both the US and North Korean
> governments and have access to all the info.
>
> I'm sorry but I just can't stand the patronising, condescending tone
> you use most of the time. I'm not saying now, but just once it would
> be nice to see the words "You might be right", or "I'm
> not in posession of all the information" to appear to the right
> of your name.
But you aren't right ! What I've said is the bare bones of it. You don't need government access to know that, it's not special information, just go read some papers, books, and see some news coverage and documentaries. They are willing to push so much because they what started out as "lets do something whilst America's distracted" has turned into military and diplomatic oneupsmanship from which N.Korea cannot stop, because it looks weak if it does so, and nor can the US stop, because then it looks weak.
> So again, why are they doing it? Are they thinking "Yeah, let's
> provoke them and call them names, then they'll help us!". Are
> they hoping that America knows that if one country is mean to another
> it means they have a crush on them?
Gah! It's far cheaper and better to let a country do certain things and give it aid than it is to fight a war against them. N.Korea knows the US, and it's allies, don't want a war, yet the country needs certain things. How do you get people's attention without going begging ? Start your nuke program. One point; N.Korea, unlike Iraq, is making no secret of it's actions, it wants us all to know what it is doing. That alone speaks volumes. If you want war you stay quiet, if you want attention you test fire missiles. You have to remember that N.Korea is not your usual state, in terms of diplomacy and international relations, it doesn't act the same as places like the UK.
And if you think this is condescending then tough, go read some web pages, a book, or something, then come back and prove me wrong.
> And why are they willing to push them as far as they can? There is a
> purpose to every action. "It basically comes down to as
> much" - because you evidently know all there is to know on the
> matter. You obviously are a member of both the US and North Korean
> governments and have access to all the info.
>
> I'm sorry but I just can't stand the patronising, condescending tone
> you use most of the time. I'm not saying now, but just once it would
> be nice to see the words "You might be right", or "I'm
> not in posession of all the information" to appear to the right
> of your name.
But you aren't right ! What I've said is the bare bones of it. You don't need government access to know that, it's not special information, just go read some papers, books, and see some news coverage and documentaries. They are willing to push so much because they what started out as "lets do something whilst America's distracted" has turned into military and diplomatic oneupsmanship from which N.Korea cannot stop, because it looks weak if it does so, and nor can the US stop, because then it looks weak.
> So again, why are they doing it? Are they thinking "Yeah, let's
> provoke them and call them names, then they'll help us!". Are
> they hoping that America knows that if one country is mean to another
> it means they have a crush on them?
Gah! It's far cheaper and better to let a country do certain things and give it aid than it is to fight a war against them. N.Korea knows the US, and it's allies, don't want a war, yet the country needs certain things. How do you get people's attention without going begging ? Start your nuke program. One point; N.Korea, unlike Iraq, is making no secret of it's actions, it wants us all to know what it is doing. That alone speaks volumes. If you want war you stay quiet, if you want attention you test fire missiles. You have to remember that N.Korea is not your usual state, in terms of diplomacy and international relations, it doesn't act the same as places like the UK.
And if you think this is condescending then tough, go read some web pages, a book, or something, then come back and prove me wrong.
Star Fury wrote:
> No, they're willing to see how far they can push America at a time
> when America and the world faces Iraq and terrorism, and, being one of
> the last outposts of a form of communism they are indeed too proud to
> ask for it. That's not the whole essence of this, but it basically
> comes down to as much.
And why are they willing to push them as far as they can? There is a purpose to every action. "It basically comes down to as much" - because you evidently know all there is to know on the matter. You obviously are a member of both the US and North Korean governments and have access to all the info.
I'm sorry but I just can't stand the patronising, condescending tone you use most of the time. I'm not saying now, but just once it would be nice to see the words "You might be right", or "I'm not in posession of all the information" to appear to the right of your name.
> America and the UN already give N.Korea a bit of food aid because,
> whilst the country has a large military and a few decent modern areas,
> many live not far above poverty - it receives over $300 000 000 in aid
> a year, from many of the countries it is now threatening. That's why
> they won't take this into a full conflict, if they do their own people
> will starve to death.
So again, why are they doing it? Are they thinking "Yeah, let's provoke them and call them names, then they'll help us!". Are they hoping that America knows that if one country is mean to another it means they have a crush on them?
> No, they're willing to see how far they can push America at a time
> when America and the world faces Iraq and terrorism, and, being one of
> the last outposts of a form of communism they are indeed too proud to
> ask for it. That's not the whole essence of this, but it basically
> comes down to as much.
And why are they willing to push them as far as they can? There is a purpose to every action. "It basically comes down to as much" - because you evidently know all there is to know on the matter. You obviously are a member of both the US and North Korean governments and have access to all the info.
I'm sorry but I just can't stand the patronising, condescending tone you use most of the time. I'm not saying now, but just once it would be nice to see the words "You might be right", or "I'm not in posession of all the information" to appear to the right of your name.
> America and the UN already give N.Korea a bit of food aid because,
> whilst the country has a large military and a few decent modern areas,
> many live not far above poverty - it receives over $300 000 000 in aid
> a year, from many of the countries it is now threatening. That's why
> they won't take this into a full conflict, if they do their own people
> will starve to death.
So again, why are they doing it? Are they thinking "Yeah, let's provoke them and call them names, then they'll help us!". Are they hoping that America knows that if one country is mean to another it means they have a crush on them?
Insane Bartender wrote:
> Resolving North Korea will be a lengthy process involving a lot of
> politics and diplomacy.
>
> ...
Which is why it's not on the news headlines. Half the problem with Iraq is that a momentum has been created where, through the media, a neccessity for action has been created. Which is good in a way, because we've left Saddam in power for too long. N.Korea wants diplomacy as much as everyone else, but the US cannot just ignore the actions they've taken, they have to move some forces in to give the signal they're taking this seriously.
In another move, Fox are reporting that US Navy ships have shifted position so as to be able to deploy missiles, aircraft and troops to Iraq without breaching Turkish airspace, http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2933,81062,00.html
I'm thinking that Sunday could be the day, it's the best day to do it if they're going to - less news coverage, everyone's mostly at home in the US, UK e.t.c., Only slight thing against a sunday start is that it's like the traditional christian day of rest (Bush), but then again Enduring Freedom began on a sunday afternoon.....
> Resolving North Korea will be a lengthy process involving a lot of
> politics and diplomacy.
>
> ...
Which is why it's not on the news headlines. Half the problem with Iraq is that a momentum has been created where, through the media, a neccessity for action has been created. Which is good in a way, because we've left Saddam in power for too long. N.Korea wants diplomacy as much as everyone else, but the US cannot just ignore the actions they've taken, they have to move some forces in to give the signal they're taking this seriously.
In another move, Fox are reporting that US Navy ships have shifted position so as to be able to deploy missiles, aircraft and troops to Iraq without breaching Turkish airspace, http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2933,81062,00.html
I'm thinking that Sunday could be the day, it's the best day to do it if they're going to - less news coverage, everyone's mostly at home in the US, UK e.t.c., Only slight thing against a sunday start is that it's like the traditional christian day of rest (Bush), but then again Enduring Freedom began on a sunday afternoon.....
Last time I looked, the USA was still, in some technical sense, in a state of war with North Korea. That being because the war was never ended via peace treaty, but by some amnesty or whatever.
But I would imagine that storming in and telling the Koreans to flap and fold like a bad hand is not the wisest thing to do, given that they have one of the largest military forces in the WOOOOOOORLD.
We can all go in and slap Saddam about like the Tango man until we're blue in the face, but it's not always that easy.
Resolving North Korea will be a lengthy process involving a lot of politics and diplomacy.
...
But I would imagine that storming in and telling the Koreans to flap and fold like a bad hand is not the wisest thing to do, given that they have one of the largest military forces in the WOOOOOOORLD.
We can all go in and slap Saddam about like the Tango man until we're blue in the face, but it's not always that easy.
Resolving North Korea will be a lengthy process involving a lot of politics and diplomacy.
...
Blank wrote:
> So you're saying that Korea need aid, and they're too foolhardy and
> proud to ask, so they're willing to be attacked in order to get it?
No, they're willing to see how far they can push America at a time when America and the world faces Iraq and terrorism, and, being one of the last outposts of a form of communism they are indeed too proud to ask for it. That's not the whole essence of this, but it basically comes down to as much.
> I thought the whole point of aid after an attack was to help
> survivors/make up for the damage that was done.
America and the UN already give N.Korea a bit of food aid because, whilst the country has a large military and a few decent modern areas, many live not far above poverty - it receives over $300 000 000 in aid a year, from many of the countries it is now threatening. That's why they won't take this into a full conflict, if they do their own people will starve to death.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications /factbook/geos/kn.html is a useful page to get information, though bear in mind it is the CIA site, however most webpages have much the same information so there is barely any bias.
> So you're saying that Korea need aid, and they're too foolhardy and
> proud to ask, so they're willing to be attacked in order to get it?
No, they're willing to see how far they can push America at a time when America and the world faces Iraq and terrorism, and, being one of the last outposts of a form of communism they are indeed too proud to ask for it. That's not the whole essence of this, but it basically comes down to as much.
> I thought the whole point of aid after an attack was to help
> survivors/make up for the damage that was done.
America and the UN already give N.Korea a bit of food aid because, whilst the country has a large military and a few decent modern areas, many live not far above poverty - it receives over $300 000 000 in aid a year, from many of the countries it is now threatening. That's why they won't take this into a full conflict, if they do their own people will starve to death.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications /factbook/geos/kn.html is a useful page to get information, though bear in mind it is the CIA site, however most webpages have much the same information so there is barely any bias.
So you're saying that Korea need aid, and they're too foolhardy and proud to ask, so they're willing to be attacked in order to get it?
I thought the whole point of aid after an attack was to help survivors/make up for the damage that was done.
I thought the whole point of aid after an attack was to help survivors/make up for the damage that was done.
Ahem, it's not disagreeing when you plainly have your facts wrong. It's called informing.
The US is not attacking for the simple reason that both sides want diplomacy to work. N.Korea's ranting are, for the most part, for the consumption of it's own people. The country cannot simply ask us evil capitalist b&stards for help because it would end the regime there.
So instead they get out attention, and try to make out like they're a super power. They may say they'll hurt America, but they won't do anything but say that, because in the final analysis N.Korea cannot win a conflict.
They want aid, without asking for it, and something to prop up their somewhat crap nation, only problem is they've had the stupid idea to do it this way, when Bush is in charge.
The US is not attacking for the simple reason that both sides want diplomacy to work. N.Korea's ranting are, for the most part, for the consumption of it's own people. The country cannot simply ask us evil capitalist b&stards for help because it would end the regime there.
So instead they get out attention, and try to make out like they're a super power. They may say they'll hurt America, but they won't do anything but say that, because in the final analysis N.Korea cannot win a conflict.
They want aid, without asking for it, and something to prop up their somewhat crap nation, only problem is they've had the stupid idea to do it this way, when Bush is in charge.
Nice to see your auto-disagreement function is working well.
Sorry for the short posts I always do during working hours - at college I try to log out again as soon as possible because accounts get mixed up over the network.
What I meant was that the North Koreans have weapons of mass destruction. We know this. They'll have a lot more soon. Which is more than we can say about Iraq. Also, they've been open in saying that they'll hurt America if they try to stop them. And the US government knows that they can. So they aren't trying to attack.
Sorry for the short posts I always do during working hours - at college I try to log out again as soon as possible because accounts get mixed up over the network.
What I meant was that the North Koreans have weapons of mass destruction. We know this. They'll have a lot more soon. Which is more than we can say about Iraq. Also, they've been open in saying that they'll hurt America if they try to stop them. And the US government knows that they can. So they aren't trying to attack.
Correction. The media attention has swept it aside.
US forces have been redeployed, and a war games exercise with the south is planned for this weekend/next week, in addition 26 B52's and six F117's, plus an undisclosed number of B2's are out there, alongside some, so far low level, diplomacy. N.Korea want's aid, not war.
US forces have been redeployed, and a war games exercise with the south is planned for this weekend/next week, in addition 26 B52's and six F117's, plus an undisclosed number of B2's are out there, alongside some, so far low level, diplomacy. N.Korea want's aid, not war.
That's how many nuclear weapons Korea will soon be capable of making. No wonder George has kindly swept it aside.