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Delivered to the Senate on Feb 12th.
Worth a read.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0212-07.htm
Worth a read.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0212-07.htm
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The Season of Stupidity is good.
My fav bit?
" have news for Mr. Perle. Our allies have democratically elected governments. Their people overwhelmingly oppose this war. What do we expect their governments to do? The anti-war sentiment ranges from 47 percent and rising in Britain (a full 81 percent now agree that a new U.N. mandate is essential before a military attack is launched), to 88 percent against the whole idea in Turkey, where the new government has been literally bribed into going along with us.
If 88 percent of Americans were opposed to this war, do you really think we'd be doing it? Perle also referred to Germany's Gerhard Schroeder as "a discredited chancellor." The ever-tactless Donald Rumsfeld managed to lump Germany with Cuba and Libya. We don't have enough enemies that we have go around insulting our friends? "
My fav bit?
" have news for Mr. Perle. Our allies have democratically elected governments. Their people overwhelmingly oppose this war. What do we expect their governments to do? The anti-war sentiment ranges from 47 percent and rising in Britain (a full 81 percent now agree that a new U.N. mandate is essential before a military attack is launched), to 88 percent against the whole idea in Turkey, where the new government has been literally bribed into going along with us.
If 88 percent of Americans were opposed to this war, do you really think we'd be doing it? Perle also referred to Germany's Gerhard Schroeder as "a discredited chancellor." The ever-tactless Donald Rumsfeld managed to lump Germany with Cuba and Libya. We don't have enough enemies that we have go around insulting our friends? "
It's a good site.
It has pro and anti articles, not just a one-party biased view.
It has pro and anti articles, not just a one-party biased view.
Been having a look at the rest of the site, quite interesting stuff actually, thanks for posting it Goatboy :) Just been reading "Season Of Stupidity" off the front page of it.
~~Belldandy~~
~~Belldandy~~
I think his speech was bang-on for the feelings that most of the anti-war people have:
To remove Saddam is correct and necessary. To go about bullying and ordering, condemning and causing further hatred will do nothing except sow the seeds of future generations of anti-American hatred.
It may resolve the problem right now, but it's carrying on in the same way the West has done since time began:
Whack the darkies and worry about revenge if and when.
To remove Saddam is correct and necessary. To go about bullying and ordering, condemning and causing further hatred will do nothing except sow the seeds of future generations of anti-American hatred.
It may resolve the problem right now, but it's carrying on in the same way the West has done since time began:
Whack the darkies and worry about revenge if and when.
The senator's speach was pretty good, and some of the points quite valid.
I think the whole problem revolves around fear and doubt.
There is fear about what Iraq has, how it could use it, and doubt over exactly how much and how good what it has is, a fear that doing nothing will invite future disaster, and that doing something now could do the same.
~~Belldandy~~
I think the whole problem revolves around fear and doubt.
There is fear about what Iraq has, how it could use it, and doubt over exactly how much and how good what it has is, a fear that doing nothing will invite future disaster, and that doing something now could do the same.
~~Belldandy~~
Why is nothing on the news?
Because that whole tanks/Heathrow business was bullsh## propoganda designed for 1 reason only.
To keep the herd skittish and panicked.
2 days before largest anti-war demo in British history.
TERRORIST! HAND GRENDADE! RICIN! HEATHROW! CARS SEARCHED! TANKS! FEAR! STAY INSIDE AND WATCH TV!
And as soon as the demo is over?
Beckham and similar triviality
Because that whole tanks/Heathrow business was bullsh## propoganda designed for 1 reason only.
To keep the herd skittish and panicked.
2 days before largest anti-war demo in British history.
TERRORIST! HAND GRENDADE! RICIN! HEATHROW! CARS SEARCHED! TANKS! FEAR! STAY INSIDE AND WATCH TV!
And as soon as the demo is over?
Beckham and similar triviality
Light wrote:
> Dubya has managed to do what no other man has thought possible to
> achieve; he's got most of the British public agreeing with France.
I wouldn't bet on that somehow. France is looking awfully lonely all of a sudden after Germany and Belgium abandoned its stance over Turkey. Yes, we've had our marches at the weekend of - depending on who you believe - 750 00 to 2 000 000 people in London (quite how the police and orgnaisers can get figures which miss out "only" 1.25 million people I'm not sure).
Will it make a difference ? No. 60 million people in the UK, total up all the marches and you've got about 1 million ish in this country. 1/60th of the country, where around 50% don't even vote. Okay, say people don't vote for Tony next time. Who are you going to vote for ? Conservatives ? They're with America more than Labour. Democracts ? Not likely, Kennedy has tied himself in with the protests because the man is desperate.
All this comes at a time when the UK and USA governments are showing a resolve not to back down, and on the day when Al Baridei (IAEA head ) has stated that inspections of Iraq cannot be allowed to go on forever. Sure, Tony Blair said at the weekend the UN has more time, but how much ? The next UN report comes on the 28th, one week after that the Pentagon - with its statement last Friday that it can have a plan in three weeks ready to go, will be ready. Iraq is refusing to destroy the prohibited missiles, and still insists they are not capable of the range Blix says they are. One of them is wrong, obviously.
At the same time, I think it's time some sections of our media took a reality check and a quick history lesson. I watched SKY News this morning with a reporter telling us all how Iraqi's suffered in the last war and are facing it yet again. Excuse me, but didn't they start it in 1990 with the invasion of Kuwait ? Of course Iraqi civilians died in 1991, but shouldn't we be looking at why that war even began, and why this one could begin ? The problem does not lie anywhere but at Saddam's doorstep.
And, whilst we're here, those lovely leftist rebels who the evil American government fights in Central America shot two people dead in cold blood at the weekend, and took another three hostage. I presume they have a death wish, or that they have missed the news for the last one and a half years.....
Geez, what a year eh ? Still, we'll be okay in Britain won't we ? *watches an APC rolling past Gatwick arrivals on tv....* Why is there never anything important on the news ? I mean Beckham getting two stiches was right on the end of the bulletin, that's usually major news here ! *Sarcasm*
~~Belldandy~~
> Dubya has managed to do what no other man has thought possible to
> achieve; he's got most of the British public agreeing with France.
I wouldn't bet on that somehow. France is looking awfully lonely all of a sudden after Germany and Belgium abandoned its stance over Turkey. Yes, we've had our marches at the weekend of - depending on who you believe - 750 00 to 2 000 000 people in London (quite how the police and orgnaisers can get figures which miss out "only" 1.25 million people I'm not sure).
Will it make a difference ? No. 60 million people in the UK, total up all the marches and you've got about 1 million ish in this country. 1/60th of the country, where around 50% don't even vote. Okay, say people don't vote for Tony next time. Who are you going to vote for ? Conservatives ? They're with America more than Labour. Democracts ? Not likely, Kennedy has tied himself in with the protests because the man is desperate.
All this comes at a time when the UK and USA governments are showing a resolve not to back down, and on the day when Al Baridei (IAEA head ) has stated that inspections of Iraq cannot be allowed to go on forever. Sure, Tony Blair said at the weekend the UN has more time, but how much ? The next UN report comes on the 28th, one week after that the Pentagon - with its statement last Friday that it can have a plan in three weeks ready to go, will be ready. Iraq is refusing to destroy the prohibited missiles, and still insists they are not capable of the range Blix says they are. One of them is wrong, obviously.
At the same time, I think it's time some sections of our media took a reality check and a quick history lesson. I watched SKY News this morning with a reporter telling us all how Iraqi's suffered in the last war and are facing it yet again. Excuse me, but didn't they start it in 1990 with the invasion of Kuwait ? Of course Iraqi civilians died in 1991, but shouldn't we be looking at why that war even began, and why this one could begin ? The problem does not lie anywhere but at Saddam's doorstep.
And, whilst we're here, those lovely leftist rebels who the evil American government fights in Central America shot two people dead in cold blood at the weekend, and took another three hostage. I presume they have a death wish, or that they have missed the news for the last one and a half years.....
Geez, what a year eh ? Still, we'll be okay in Britain won't we ? *watches an APC rolling past Gatwick arrivals on tv....* Why is there never anything important on the news ? I mean Beckham getting two stiches was right on the end of the bulletin, that's usually major news here ! *Sarcasm*
~~Belldandy~~
That was very good - and just goes to show that however much America is portrayed as a nation of gun-toting morons, there are people keeping its values and traditions alive.
One of the worst aspects of this whole affair is the abuse heaped on France. I saw the front page of the New York Post the other day: a picture of the WWII graveyards in Normandy, with a caption along the lines of 'How quickly they forget'. I thought our tabloid press was bad, but that really disgusted me.
One of the worst aspects of this whole affair is the abuse heaped on France. I saw the front page of the New York Post the other day: a picture of the WWII graveyards in Normandy, with a caption along the lines of 'How quickly they forget'. I thought our tabloid press was bad, but that really disgusted me.
Dubya has managed to do what no other man has thought possible to achieve; he's got most of the British public agreeing with France.
I think my beliefs are in the following exerpt:
"Calling heads of state pygmies, labeling whole countries as evil, denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant -- these types of crude insensitivities can do our great nation no good. We may have massive military might, but we cannot fight a global war on terrorism alone. We need the cooperation and friendship of our time-honored allies as well as the newer found friends whom we can attract with our wealth. Our awesome military machine will do us little good if we suffer another devastating attack on our homeland which severely damages our economy. Our military manpower is already stretched thin and we will need the augmenting support of those nations who can supply troop strength, not just sign letters cheering us on."
This was after America labelled France "Cheese eating surrender monkeys".
Nice.
"Calling heads of state pygmies, labeling whole countries as evil, denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant -- these types of crude insensitivities can do our great nation no good. We may have massive military might, but we cannot fight a global war on terrorism alone. We need the cooperation and friendship of our time-honored allies as well as the newer found friends whom we can attract with our wealth. Our awesome military machine will do us little good if we suffer another devastating attack on our homeland which severely damages our economy. Our military manpower is already stretched thin and we will need the augmenting support of those nations who can supply troop strength, not just sign letters cheering us on."
This was after America labelled France "Cheese eating surrender monkeys".
Nice.
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