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I found one of those copy protected CDs for the first time today...
The debate over music sharing on the internet can be looked at from many different angles, but each one affords the same view of the Music Industry. Simply, they’ve got their heads in the sand. The thing is, their cousins in the Movie and Television firms don’t seem to have learned from their brethren’s mistakes and are displaying the same short-sightedness and that’s just going to lead to the same problems. Then there are also the software companies…
We can maybe forgive the Music Guy’s in the early days. It would have been hard to predict ten years ago that so many people would happily give up their then costly bandwidth to send faceless people on the other side of the world music. However it happened and like it or lump it, it was something that the recording industry had to deal with. The problem is they seem to have allowed a pre-teen child to draw up their battle plan. “That guy is stealing our music? Well run and get the Judge or tell the guy our Lawyer is bigger than his Lawyer”.
If there was just one evil, heartless guy facilitating intellectual property theft that tactic may have worked, but as soon as Napster was dealt with Audio Galaxy came along, and now it’s previous loyal users are jumping ship to Kazza or i-Mesh or one of a hundred other file sharing utilities. The music industry is loosing the battle for one reason and one reason only: the numerous “pirates” simply offer a better service.
I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with how the music industry sells CDs. The careful shopper can pick new releases up for £8.99 from specialist music e-tailers and if all this comes down to is a price issue then it’s hard to argue that we don’t get our monies worth. A CD is great if you’re actually going to listen to a CD player, but what percentage of music is now listened to while sitting working at a computer, or from some breed of digital music player? Why aren’t the recording industry taking note of this and offering some kind of service to these “digital age” consumers? The question should not be how do we make people pay for their CDs, but should we offer an alternative format.
We’ve been hearing ever since Napster took off that we’d be able to log into an official distribution channel and download music for a fee, but has this actually happened? If I’m humming a tune while brushing my teeth before bed and get one of those I-need-to-hear-this-song-now moments what will I do? Now I’d happily pay for the music, but that would involve a trip to the shops in the morning with transport costs and general hassle. I could get on the net and have a friendly website package it up and I’d have it in the post in a few days… oh, don’t be silly, while I’m on line I may as well download it and with my broadband connection I’ll practically be listening in real-time. Thing is; only the pirates in the peer-to-peer networks can supply that last, and clearly most desirable, option.
Distribution channels aside, with the most recent developments in copy-protected CDs. As far as I’m concerned, these not only show that some players in the industry are huge hypocrites, but will encourage a small minority into piracy. Sony have been one of the people leading the copy-protection movement, but do they not also sell a wide range of digital music players? When I decided to buy an iPod the only serious contender was one of Sony’s Memory Stick Walkmen. To get music onto the Memory Stick I have to go through my PC, but Sony wants to create CDs that won’t play on PCs – what do Sony want their customers to do? Fact is, most won’t bother with drawing on their CDs with marker pens to crack the protection and they’ll take the easier option and download the tunes they want.
To re-iterate, the way we listen to music now is very different to what we did even three or four years ago. I buy huge amounts of CDs that are only ever out of their box once. The go into my PC and end up as MP3s on the hard drive that I can listen to while working, or uploaded onto my iPod, or burnt onto mix CDs for the car. This is how I listen to music; I simply don’t use the actual CD that often. However, the music industry tries to make me feel like a criminal by copy protecting CDs. I’m sorry; I paid for the right to listen to the music on that CD so where’s the problem?
This is just the tip of the iceberg. As narrowband connections slowly began to disappear some bright spark working in Hollywood must have had a moment of devine intervention and realised people may take the tools that currently download small music files and use them for bigger video flavoured downloads. Why then are we seeing the build up to the same kind of preteen fighting between over-priced Legal teams? We’ve got the technology for broadband connections, hard drives linked up to TVs and the idea of pay-per-view is becoming more and more common. Can some one please add these things together and not come up with the answer of “law suit”. The movie industry have even less of an excuse for the reactive tactics we’ve been seeing when the current climate was easily predictable and this should have resulted in a proactive attitude.
There’s the same type of distribution issue with films and television as well as music. I can go on the internet and read about how wonderful Series X is. We’ll say this is out in the US now, but not in the UK for three or four months. I could wait, or I could go download a pirate copy. There is no “legal” answer to subdue my keenness, only going down the route of peer-to-peer connections. The big fans of a program or movie are turned into criminals simply because of their excitement – are you telling me Hollywood couldn’t offer a digital, downloadable medium for these people. Of course they could, but it would be hard work and just not how thinks are usually done. Oh, and it may jeopardise those tricky international distribution windows we’re always hearing about.
Soon we’ll be providing DNA sample’s to Microsoft to ensure we really, really, really did pay for that copy of Windows 2020 so maybe I’m targeting the wrong villains. At then end of that day I try to be a good consumer and pay what’s due to big guys in suits to I can enjoy my petty CDs – why should I be made to feel like the bad guy for using digital playback and storage for a digital medium?
The debate over music sharing on the internet can be looked at from many different angles, but each one affords the same view of the Music Industry. Simply, they’ve got their heads in the sand. The thing is, their cousins in the Movie and Television firms don’t seem to have learned from their brethren’s mistakes and are displaying the same short-sightedness and that’s just going to lead to the same problems. Then there are also the software companies…
We can maybe forgive the Music Guy’s in the early days. It would have been hard to predict ten years ago that so many people would happily give up their then costly bandwidth to send faceless people on the other side of the world music. However it happened and like it or lump it, it was something that the recording industry had to deal with. The problem is they seem to have allowed a pre-teen child to draw up their battle plan. “That guy is stealing our music? Well run and get the Judge or tell the guy our Lawyer is bigger than his Lawyer”.
If there was just one evil, heartless guy facilitating intellectual property theft that tactic may have worked, but as soon as Napster was dealt with Audio Galaxy came along, and now it’s previous loyal users are jumping ship to Kazza or i-Mesh or one of a hundred other file sharing utilities. The music industry is loosing the battle for one reason and one reason only: the numerous “pirates” simply offer a better service.
I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with how the music industry sells CDs. The careful shopper can pick new releases up for £8.99 from specialist music e-tailers and if all this comes down to is a price issue then it’s hard to argue that we don’t get our monies worth. A CD is great if you’re actually going to listen to a CD player, but what percentage of music is now listened to while sitting working at a computer, or from some breed of digital music player? Why aren’t the recording industry taking note of this and offering some kind of service to these “digital age” consumers? The question should not be how do we make people pay for their CDs, but should we offer an alternative format.
We’ve been hearing ever since Napster took off that we’d be able to log into an official distribution channel and download music for a fee, but has this actually happened? If I’m humming a tune while brushing my teeth before bed and get one of those I-need-to-hear-this-song-now moments what will I do? Now I’d happily pay for the music, but that would involve a trip to the shops in the morning with transport costs and general hassle. I could get on the net and have a friendly website package it up and I’d have it in the post in a few days… oh, don’t be silly, while I’m on line I may as well download it and with my broadband connection I’ll practically be listening in real-time. Thing is; only the pirates in the peer-to-peer networks can supply that last, and clearly most desirable, option.
Distribution channels aside, with the most recent developments in copy-protected CDs. As far as I’m concerned, these not only show that some players in the industry are huge hypocrites, but will encourage a small minority into piracy. Sony have been one of the people leading the copy-protection movement, but do they not also sell a wide range of digital music players? When I decided to buy an iPod the only serious contender was one of Sony’s Memory Stick Walkmen. To get music onto the Memory Stick I have to go through my PC, but Sony wants to create CDs that won’t play on PCs – what do Sony want their customers to do? Fact is, most won’t bother with drawing on their CDs with marker pens to crack the protection and they’ll take the easier option and download the tunes they want.
To re-iterate, the way we listen to music now is very different to what we did even three or four years ago. I buy huge amounts of CDs that are only ever out of their box once. The go into my PC and end up as MP3s on the hard drive that I can listen to while working, or uploaded onto my iPod, or burnt onto mix CDs for the car. This is how I listen to music; I simply don’t use the actual CD that often. However, the music industry tries to make me feel like a criminal by copy protecting CDs. I’m sorry; I paid for the right to listen to the music on that CD so where’s the problem?
This is just the tip of the iceberg. As narrowband connections slowly began to disappear some bright spark working in Hollywood must have had a moment of devine intervention and realised people may take the tools that currently download small music files and use them for bigger video flavoured downloads. Why then are we seeing the build up to the same kind of preteen fighting between over-priced Legal teams? We’ve got the technology for broadband connections, hard drives linked up to TVs and the idea of pay-per-view is becoming more and more common. Can some one please add these things together and not come up with the answer of “law suit”. The movie industry have even less of an excuse for the reactive tactics we’ve been seeing when the current climate was easily predictable and this should have resulted in a proactive attitude.
There’s the same type of distribution issue with films and television as well as music. I can go on the internet and read about how wonderful Series X is. We’ll say this is out in the US now, but not in the UK for three or four months. I could wait, or I could go download a pirate copy. There is no “legal” answer to subdue my keenness, only going down the route of peer-to-peer connections. The big fans of a program or movie are turned into criminals simply because of their excitement – are you telling me Hollywood couldn’t offer a digital, downloadable medium for these people. Of course they could, but it would be hard work and just not how thinks are usually done. Oh, and it may jeopardise those tricky international distribution windows we’re always hearing about.
Soon we’ll be providing DNA sample’s to Microsoft to ensure we really, really, really did pay for that copy of Windows 2020 so maybe I’m targeting the wrong villains. At then end of that day I try to be a good consumer and pay what’s due to big guys in suits to I can enjoy my petty CDs – why should I be made to feel like the bad guy for using digital playback and storage for a digital medium?
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I found one of those copy protected CDs for the first time today...
The debate over music sharing on the internet can be looked at from many different angles, but each one affords the same view of the Music Industry. Simply, they’ve got their heads in the sand. The thing is, their cousins in the Movie and Television firms don’t seem to have learned from their brethren’s mistakes and are displaying the same short-sightedness and that’s just going to lead to the same problems. Then there are also the software companies…
We can maybe forgive the Music Guy’s in the early days. It would have been hard to predict ten years ago that so many people would happily give up their then costly bandwidth to send faceless people on the other side of the world music. However it happened and like it or lump it, it was something that the recording industry had to deal with. The problem is they seem to have allowed a pre-teen child to draw up their battle plan. “That guy is stealing our music? Well run and get the Judge or tell the guy our Lawyer is bigger than his Lawyer”.
If there was just one evil, heartless guy facilitating intellectual property theft that tactic may have worked, but as soon as Napster was dealt with Audio Galaxy came along, and now it’s previous loyal users are jumping ship to Kazza or i-Mesh or one of a hundred other file sharing utilities. The music industry is loosing the battle for one reason and one reason only: the numerous “pirates” simply offer a better service.
I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with how the music industry sells CDs. The careful shopper can pick new releases up for £8.99 from specialist music e-tailers and if all this comes down to is a price issue then it’s hard to argue that we don’t get our monies worth. A CD is great if you’re actually going to listen to a CD player, but what percentage of music is now listened to while sitting working at a computer, or from some breed of digital music player? Why aren’t the recording industry taking note of this and offering some kind of service to these “digital age” consumers? The question should not be how do we make people pay for their CDs, but should we offer an alternative format.
We’ve been hearing ever since Napster took off that we’d be able to log into an official distribution channel and download music for a fee, but has this actually happened? If I’m humming a tune while brushing my teeth before bed and get one of those I-need-to-hear-this-song-now moments what will I do? Now I’d happily pay for the music, but that would involve a trip to the shops in the morning with transport costs and general hassle. I could get on the net and have a friendly website package it up and I’d have it in the post in a few days… oh, don’t be silly, while I’m on line I may as well download it and with my broadband connection I’ll practically be listening in real-time. Thing is; only the pirates in the peer-to-peer networks can supply that last, and clearly most desirable, option.
Distribution channels aside, with the most recent developments in copy-protected CDs. As far as I’m concerned, these not only show that some players in the industry are huge hypocrites, but will encourage a small minority into piracy. Sony have been one of the people leading the copy-protection movement, but do they not also sell a wide range of digital music players? When I decided to buy an iPod the only serious contender was one of Sony’s Memory Stick Walkmen. To get music onto the Memory Stick I have to go through my PC, but Sony wants to create CDs that won’t play on PCs – what do Sony want their customers to do? Fact is, most won’t bother with drawing on their CDs with marker pens to crack the protection and they’ll take the easier option and download the tunes they want.
To re-iterate, the way we listen to music now is very different to what we did even three or four years ago. I buy huge amounts of CDs that are only ever out of their box once. The go into my PC and end up as MP3s on the hard drive that I can listen to while working, or uploaded onto my iPod, or burnt onto mix CDs for the car. This is how I listen to music; I simply don’t use the actual CD that often. However, the music industry tries to make me feel like a criminal by copy protecting CDs. I’m sorry; I paid for the right to listen to the music on that CD so where’s the problem?
This is just the tip of the iceberg. As narrowband connections slowly began to disappear some bright spark working in Hollywood must have had a moment of devine intervention and realised people may take the tools that currently download small music files and use them for bigger video flavoured downloads. Why then are we seeing the build up to the same kind of preteen fighting between over-priced Legal teams? We’ve got the technology for broadband connections, hard drives linked up to TVs and the idea of pay-per-view is becoming more and more common. Can some one please add these things together and not come up with the answer of “law suit”. The movie industry have even less of an excuse for the reactive tactics we’ve been seeing when the current climate was easily predictable and this should have resulted in a proactive attitude.
There’s the same type of distribution issue with films and television as well as music. I can go on the internet and read about how wonderful Series X is. We’ll say this is out in the US now, but not in the UK for three or four months. I could wait, or I could go download a pirate copy. There is no “legal” answer to subdue my keenness, only going down the route of peer-to-peer connections. The big fans of a program or movie are turned into criminals simply because of their excitement – are you telling me Hollywood couldn’t offer a digital, downloadable medium for these people. Of course they could, but it would be hard work and just not how thinks are usually done. Oh, and it may jeopardise those tricky international distribution windows we’re always hearing about.
Soon we’ll be providing DNA sample’s to Microsoft to ensure we really, really, really did pay for that copy of Windows 2020 so maybe I’m targeting the wrong villains. At then end of that day I try to be a good consumer and pay what’s due to big guys in suits to I can enjoy my petty CDs – why should I be made to feel like the bad guy for using digital playback and storage for a digital medium?
The debate over music sharing on the internet can be looked at from many different angles, but each one affords the same view of the Music Industry. Simply, they’ve got their heads in the sand. The thing is, their cousins in the Movie and Television firms don’t seem to have learned from their brethren’s mistakes and are displaying the same short-sightedness and that’s just going to lead to the same problems. Then there are also the software companies…
We can maybe forgive the Music Guy’s in the early days. It would have been hard to predict ten years ago that so many people would happily give up their then costly bandwidth to send faceless people on the other side of the world music. However it happened and like it or lump it, it was something that the recording industry had to deal with. The problem is they seem to have allowed a pre-teen child to draw up their battle plan. “That guy is stealing our music? Well run and get the Judge or tell the guy our Lawyer is bigger than his Lawyer”.
If there was just one evil, heartless guy facilitating intellectual property theft that tactic may have worked, but as soon as Napster was dealt with Audio Galaxy came along, and now it’s previous loyal users are jumping ship to Kazza or i-Mesh or one of a hundred other file sharing utilities. The music industry is loosing the battle for one reason and one reason only: the numerous “pirates” simply offer a better service.
I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with how the music industry sells CDs. The careful shopper can pick new releases up for £8.99 from specialist music e-tailers and if all this comes down to is a price issue then it’s hard to argue that we don’t get our monies worth. A CD is great if you’re actually going to listen to a CD player, but what percentage of music is now listened to while sitting working at a computer, or from some breed of digital music player? Why aren’t the recording industry taking note of this and offering some kind of service to these “digital age” consumers? The question should not be how do we make people pay for their CDs, but should we offer an alternative format.
We’ve been hearing ever since Napster took off that we’d be able to log into an official distribution channel and download music for a fee, but has this actually happened? If I’m humming a tune while brushing my teeth before bed and get one of those I-need-to-hear-this-song-now moments what will I do? Now I’d happily pay for the music, but that would involve a trip to the shops in the morning with transport costs and general hassle. I could get on the net and have a friendly website package it up and I’d have it in the post in a few days… oh, don’t be silly, while I’m on line I may as well download it and with my broadband connection I’ll practically be listening in real-time. Thing is; only the pirates in the peer-to-peer networks can supply that last, and clearly most desirable, option.
Distribution channels aside, with the most recent developments in copy-protected CDs. As far as I’m concerned, these not only show that some players in the industry are huge hypocrites, but will encourage a small minority into piracy. Sony have been one of the people leading the copy-protection movement, but do they not also sell a wide range of digital music players? When I decided to buy an iPod the only serious contender was one of Sony’s Memory Stick Walkmen. To get music onto the Memory Stick I have to go through my PC, but Sony wants to create CDs that won’t play on PCs – what do Sony want their customers to do? Fact is, most won’t bother with drawing on their CDs with marker pens to crack the protection and they’ll take the easier option and download the tunes they want.
To re-iterate, the way we listen to music now is very different to what we did even three or four years ago. I buy huge amounts of CDs that are only ever out of their box once. The go into my PC and end up as MP3s on the hard drive that I can listen to while working, or uploaded onto my iPod, or burnt onto mix CDs for the car. This is how I listen to music; I simply don’t use the actual CD that often. However, the music industry tries to make me feel like a criminal by copy protecting CDs. I’m sorry; I paid for the right to listen to the music on that CD so where’s the problem?
This is just the tip of the iceberg. As narrowband connections slowly began to disappear some bright spark working in Hollywood must have had a moment of devine intervention and realised people may take the tools that currently download small music files and use them for bigger video flavoured downloads. Why then are we seeing the build up to the same kind of preteen fighting between over-priced Legal teams? We’ve got the technology for broadband connections, hard drives linked up to TVs and the idea of pay-per-view is becoming more and more common. Can some one please add these things together and not come up with the answer of “law suit”. The movie industry have even less of an excuse for the reactive tactics we’ve been seeing when the current climate was easily predictable and this should have resulted in a proactive attitude.
There’s the same type of distribution issue with films and television as well as music. I can go on the internet and read about how wonderful Series X is. We’ll say this is out in the US now, but not in the UK for three or four months. I could wait, or I could go download a pirate copy. There is no “legal” answer to subdue my keenness, only going down the route of peer-to-peer connections. The big fans of a program or movie are turned into criminals simply because of their excitement – are you telling me Hollywood couldn’t offer a digital, downloadable medium for these people. Of course they could, but it would be hard work and just not how thinks are usually done. Oh, and it may jeopardise those tricky international distribution windows we’re always hearing about.
Soon we’ll be providing DNA sample’s to Microsoft to ensure we really, really, really did pay for that copy of Windows 2020 so maybe I’m targeting the wrong villains. At then end of that day I try to be a good consumer and pay what’s due to big guys in suits to I can enjoy my petty CDs – why should I be made to feel like the bad guy for using digital playback and storage for a digital medium?