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Half way to being surprised at not seeing a thread here about cloning (unless I missed it) given a bunch of scientologists' recent ramblings, I thought I'd start a thread for it.
Personally I'm fairly sure that I don't care either way as to whether the cult crazies have had legitimate success with Project Minime, but regardless it's a good way of highlighting the issue and the ethical arguments surrounding it.
Whether these publicity-hungry little monkies have found success or not, it seems like it's only a matter of time before some rogue nerd manages to make himself a new ker-plunk opponent, and the sooner we all know whether to knight him or hurl marbles at him and jab him with his own little plastic sticks, the better.
My thoughts so far:
Presumably it's got to put the cloned kid itself in a pretty screwed up position. Whether that's better or worse than having never been alive at all seems like a trickier one.
Is it wrong to go around making people like this? As a general rule, though there may be some exceptions for psychos or a mutant army, I can't really see why not, assuming they manage to make 'em healthy like everyone else.
I'd assume it'd take some messed up individuals to get that far though (you think the scientologists would have broken their secrecy to tell us about the one-armed babies born into constant pain?), maybe we should consider whether the price is really worth it?
Does potentially give people a lot of power though, and as we stand on the brink of war (gvt have said 60:40 against today, I consider that on the brink. Plus they'd probably want to play down the odds in whatever figures we hear), the wise words of Mr Wing (the old guy from Gremlins) come to mind:
"With power comes much responsibility."
Or was that Yoda?
Anyway, if anyone's interested, discuss.
Personally I'm fairly sure that I don't care either way as to whether the cult crazies have had legitimate success with Project Minime, but regardless it's a good way of highlighting the issue and the ethical arguments surrounding it.
Whether these publicity-hungry little monkies have found success or not, it seems like it's only a matter of time before some rogue nerd manages to make himself a new ker-plunk opponent, and the sooner we all know whether to knight him or hurl marbles at him and jab him with his own little plastic sticks, the better.
My thoughts so far:
Presumably it's got to put the cloned kid itself in a pretty screwed up position. Whether that's better or worse than having never been alive at all seems like a trickier one.
Is it wrong to go around making people like this? As a general rule, though there may be some exceptions for psychos or a mutant army, I can't really see why not, assuming they manage to make 'em healthy like everyone else.
I'd assume it'd take some messed up individuals to get that far though (you think the scientologists would have broken their secrecy to tell us about the one-armed babies born into constant pain?), maybe we should consider whether the price is really worth it?
Does potentially give people a lot of power though, and as we stand on the brink of war (gvt have said 60:40 against today, I consider that on the brink. Plus they'd probably want to play down the odds in whatever figures we hear), the wise words of Mr Wing (the old guy from Gremlins) come to mind:
"With power comes much responsibility."
Or was that Yoda?
Anyway, if anyone's interested, discuss.
Belldandy wrote:
> I think the Raelian thing has all just been one big PR job.
I'd be inclined to agree with that one
> I think the Raelian thing has all just been one big PR job.
I'd be inclined to agree with that one
I think the Raelian thing has all just been one big PR job.
But, if they had of achieved what they claimed then they're being massively irresponsible with the technology.
Say, for example, it's true about the one born to the lesbian couple. It a clone, so that kid is going to accurately resemble one of them. I'm thinking this is really going to screw up both the child, and eventually the couple. The one born to the other parents has much the same drawbacks because eventually that kid is going to mirror a younger self of one partner.
~~Belldandy~~
But, if they had of achieved what they claimed then they're being massively irresponsible with the technology.
Say, for example, it's true about the one born to the lesbian couple. It a clone, so that kid is going to accurately resemble one of them. I'm thinking this is really going to screw up both the child, and eventually the couple. The one born to the other parents has much the same drawbacks because eventually that kid is going to mirror a younger self of one partner.
~~Belldandy~~
Protoss wrote:
> So who's building a clone army?
Snuggly, that's why he's not been around as much lately.
> So who's building a clone army?
Snuggly, that's why he's not been around as much lately.
So who's building a clone army?
They aren't Scientologists, they're Raelians.
Slightly different in that they have a leader who has a harem of teenage followers and no John Travolta.
And I don't think they're quite as expensive to join.
Slightly different in that they have a leader who has a harem of teenage followers and no John Travolta.
And I don't think they're quite as expensive to join.
Half way to being surprised at not seeing a thread here about cloning (unless I missed it) given a bunch of scientologists' recent ramblings, I thought I'd start a thread for it.
Personally I'm fairly sure that I don't care either way as to whether the cult crazies have had legitimate success with Project Minime, but regardless it's a good way of highlighting the issue and the ethical arguments surrounding it.
Whether these publicity-hungry little monkies have found success or not, it seems like it's only a matter of time before some rogue nerd manages to make himself a new ker-plunk opponent, and the sooner we all know whether to knight him or hurl marbles at him and jab him with his own little plastic sticks, the better.
My thoughts so far:
Presumably it's got to put the cloned kid itself in a pretty screwed up position. Whether that's better or worse than having never been alive at all seems like a trickier one.
Is it wrong to go around making people like this? As a general rule, though there may be some exceptions for psychos or a mutant army, I can't really see why not, assuming they manage to make 'em healthy like everyone else.
I'd assume it'd take some messed up individuals to get that far though (you think the scientologists would have broken their secrecy to tell us about the one-armed babies born into constant pain?), maybe we should consider whether the price is really worth it?
Does potentially give people a lot of power though, and as we stand on the brink of war (gvt have said 60:40 against today, I consider that on the brink. Plus they'd probably want to play down the odds in whatever figures we hear), the wise words of Mr Wing (the old guy from Gremlins) come to mind:
"With power comes much responsibility."
Or was that Yoda?
Anyway, if anyone's interested, discuss.
Personally I'm fairly sure that I don't care either way as to whether the cult crazies have had legitimate success with Project Minime, but regardless it's a good way of highlighting the issue and the ethical arguments surrounding it.
Whether these publicity-hungry little monkies have found success or not, it seems like it's only a matter of time before some rogue nerd manages to make himself a new ker-plunk opponent, and the sooner we all know whether to knight him or hurl marbles at him and jab him with his own little plastic sticks, the better.
My thoughts so far:
Presumably it's got to put the cloned kid itself in a pretty screwed up position. Whether that's better or worse than having never been alive at all seems like a trickier one.
Is it wrong to go around making people like this? As a general rule, though there may be some exceptions for psychos or a mutant army, I can't really see why not, assuming they manage to make 'em healthy like everyone else.
I'd assume it'd take some messed up individuals to get that far though (you think the scientologists would have broken their secrecy to tell us about the one-armed babies born into constant pain?), maybe we should consider whether the price is really worth it?
Does potentially give people a lot of power though, and as we stand on the brink of war (gvt have said 60:40 against today, I consider that on the brink. Plus they'd probably want to play down the odds in whatever figures we hear), the wise words of Mr Wing (the old guy from Gremlins) come to mind:
"With power comes much responsibility."
Or was that Yoda?
Anyway, if anyone's interested, discuss.