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Tue 03/12/02 at 21:46
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Well, good ones anyway.

Right, lets make a start on this, I haven't read a good book from start to finish, ever. I've spent my life playing video games and thinking that I could get as good a narrative from games as I could from Holywood movies, or even from books themselves. However, recently, something strange happened.

I started reading Lord Of The Rings, mainly because of the number of people berrating the film for not being accurate enough to the books. Fair enough I thought, it's time to run the test of the three big formats of education for todays youth. Yes, before I get castrated from some angry thirty-something with kids that school is the be all and end all of education, your wrong, and I'll write a post to kiddies tomorrow explaining my views on education, look for it about the same time tomorrow in the Life forum.

Well, anyway, most of us will have seen Lord of the Rings at the film, and yes it is spectacularly amazing. The sort of film that makes any budding 3D/CG artist have nightmares because their latest 3D model looks no where near the standard required of an actaul professional product. In it's own right the film is very good, it has drama, it has suspense, and it has plenty of swords and sorcery. You just get the feeling that something bigger and better should be driving the film from one set-piece trap to the next, just somewhere hiding under the surface is a compelling narrative just waiting to brek out and describe the scene in all it's utmost glory.

If anyone owns the DVD and have watched the special features, especially the documentaries where some of the actors claim that the sets in the film are everything they imagined, and even more, then they are blighted by holywood, or have a severe lack of imagination. You se the imagination cannot be curbed by boundaries, it just cannot be dictated by budgets, deadlines or physical locations. The imagination can create anything the person so wishes to invisage. The book has much, much more detail regarding the narrative, and yes, for the non-reading holywood (soon to be Nintendo) generation, you just need to realise that your brain is a powerful thing.

Ideas, thoughts and amazing feelings race through your head when your reading a book. You attach more to the characters, because the characters are portrayed by you, not Elijah Wood, Frodo is in your head, he looks like you think he looks, and he sounds like you think he should sound. When he's scared, he's only as scared as you need him to be, he's just as inquisitive as you need him to be, and he's just as intelligent as you would have him be. Yes, the book pushes the story along, it gives you the setting, the scenario and the context, but a good book lets you imagine the threat and the level of danger, something a visual representation just can't.

This is where games take us to the next holwood level. Games make you think, but not on the same level as books. Like films, they give you all the visual stimuli, they don't leave anything to the imagination. Games make you think about simple problem solving, or at best they tax the physical responses and hand-eye coordination of an individual, but they still will never match a good book in terms of driving the imagination, and this is where budding games creators should take note. You will not be able to come up with original ideas for making a game, simply from watching films and games, those are other people's dreams and ideas.

To be truely original, you must develop the imagination, taking pointers and inspiration from captivating authors.
Tue 03/12/02 at 21:46
Regular
Posts: 6,492
Well, good ones anyway.

Right, lets make a start on this, I haven't read a good book from start to finish, ever. I've spent my life playing video games and thinking that I could get as good a narrative from games as I could from Holywood movies, or even from books themselves. However, recently, something strange happened.

I started reading Lord Of The Rings, mainly because of the number of people berrating the film for not being accurate enough to the books. Fair enough I thought, it's time to run the test of the three big formats of education for todays youth. Yes, before I get castrated from some angry thirty-something with kids that school is the be all and end all of education, your wrong, and I'll write a post to kiddies tomorrow explaining my views on education, look for it about the same time tomorrow in the Life forum.

Well, anyway, most of us will have seen Lord of the Rings at the film, and yes it is spectacularly amazing. The sort of film that makes any budding 3D/CG artist have nightmares because their latest 3D model looks no where near the standard required of an actaul professional product. In it's own right the film is very good, it has drama, it has suspense, and it has plenty of swords and sorcery. You just get the feeling that something bigger and better should be driving the film from one set-piece trap to the next, just somewhere hiding under the surface is a compelling narrative just waiting to brek out and describe the scene in all it's utmost glory.

If anyone owns the DVD and have watched the special features, especially the documentaries where some of the actors claim that the sets in the film are everything they imagined, and even more, then they are blighted by holywood, or have a severe lack of imagination. You se the imagination cannot be curbed by boundaries, it just cannot be dictated by budgets, deadlines or physical locations. The imagination can create anything the person so wishes to invisage. The book has much, much more detail regarding the narrative, and yes, for the non-reading holywood (soon to be Nintendo) generation, you just need to realise that your brain is a powerful thing.

Ideas, thoughts and amazing feelings race through your head when your reading a book. You attach more to the characters, because the characters are portrayed by you, not Elijah Wood, Frodo is in your head, he looks like you think he looks, and he sounds like you think he should sound. When he's scared, he's only as scared as you need him to be, he's just as inquisitive as you need him to be, and he's just as intelligent as you would have him be. Yes, the book pushes the story along, it gives you the setting, the scenario and the context, but a good book lets you imagine the threat and the level of danger, something a visual representation just can't.

This is where games take us to the next holwood level. Games make you think, but not on the same level as books. Like films, they give you all the visual stimuli, they don't leave anything to the imagination. Games make you think about simple problem solving, or at best they tax the physical responses and hand-eye coordination of an individual, but they still will never match a good book in terms of driving the imagination, and this is where budding games creators should take note. You will not be able to come up with original ideas for making a game, simply from watching films and games, those are other people's dreams and ideas.

To be truely original, you must develop the imagination, taking pointers and inspiration from captivating authors.
Tue 03/12/02 at 22:04
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"I'm not Orgazmo"
Posts: 9,159
Yep I'd agree with that, the book goes into a lot more detail too so you understand more about the characters. As a film though LOTR represents the book very well I think considering what can be done, I think they should have told more of the history of (oh god I can't remember it's name, the creature that lost the ring for Bilbo to pick up in the first place, you know that thing that follows them around and killed his broher so he didn't have to give him the ring as a birthday present) becuase he just seemed to appear as from nowhere in the film.
Tue 03/12/02 at 22:26
"Wa-wa-west"
Posts: 347
That would be Gollum, or Smeagol if you prefer.
Wed 04/12/02 at 09:15
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"Stay Frosty"
Posts: 742
During my GCSE'S, i was supposed to read To Kill A Mockingbird. I didn't. The day before my exam, i watched the film. This got me a B. I was also supposed to read An Inspector Calls. I did, but we all went to London to see it in the Theatre. Once again, i got a B. Sure, books can be good, but with todays modern 'stuff' Video, TV, DVD, they are dying out. Most books you can read on line now. All i'm trying to say is that my Generation doesn't like reading, but can still do just aswell with TV ect...
Wed 04/12/02 at 11:14
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Posts: 6,492
Like I said in my book, education of the imagination is limited in schools. English (or whatever it's called in England) doesn't test your imagination, but rather your understanding of grammatical techniques.

You missed the point of my post, but you did make a valid point. I got a 2 for Standard Grade English and a B for Higher Engliah up here is Scotland without actually reading anything properly.
Wed 04/12/02 at 17:15
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"Rong Xion Tong"
Posts: 5,237
Yeah I hadn't read a truly great book either, until Lord of the Rings. And that was unbelievably amazing.

Sent my friend to buy me Kurt Cobain's Journals today from WHSmiths. He gets 25% discount you see. Okay, so it isn't really a book as in a story book, but it still requires reading.
Wed 04/12/02 at 17:35
"The Will of D."
Posts: 5,643
You'll be suprised I am a 15 year old young adult and I have been interested in reading since I was 3.
I've always been good at reading and now I've gotten to the high point of reading since I now read adult books.
I always liked horror so i started with Goosebumps (not even scary) then teenage horror books (still not scary enough) but when I started on Stephen Kings books I told myself this is what I wanted to read.
I've read about 12 of his books now in about 1 year (with a break for reading LoTR 1-3).

But I am also interested in video games and TV too, so I do all 3 main hobbys.
Wed 04/12/02 at 18:15
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Posts: 3,937
Yeah I read lots of books as well.
Thu 05/12/02 at 21:00
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"I am Bumf Ucked"
Posts: 3,669
A few things...

To Kill A Mockingbird is bloody excellent. Dolphus Raymond is a fantastic character, if only becuase he has just one scene.

Gollum was in The Hobbit, thats where all that stuff is explained. I think. LOTR is boring IMO anyways.

Kurt Cobains journels are crap. Shopping lists are not great just because he wrote them.

Steven Kings books are essentially easy, Big Brother style mental bubblegum made purely for money. But hey, at least you're reading.

(Realizes he just insulted everyone in this thread)
Thu 05/12/02 at 21:18
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"Just Bog Standard.."
Posts: 4,589
Im currently reading a book, 'Across the Nightingale Floor'. Its really good.
Its about a Fantasy Feudal Japan.

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