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Sat 30/11/02 at 11:31
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The end of a film is nigh, you sigh or feel relieved (depending on how good it is) then leave. But aren’t you missing something? On my infrequent visits to the cinema, I always watch about 85% of the audience get up and leave at the start of the credits, but some of us, me included, always stay to watch the rest of the film.

It used to be that at least 90% of the audience left before the credits, now it seems to be more. Perhaps that’s because those of us who stayed to find out who the key grip was and who operated the boom that day were eventually rewarded for our efforts. Many film-makers started noticing this trend and began putting clips, out-takes and jokes at the end of the film, either in the credits themselves (Naked Gun) or at the end (Wayne’s World). Of course, we were delighted at this and had something to tell all those people who missed these bits because they couldn’t get their bums of the seats fast enough after the closing scene.

I’ve witnessed some incredibly funny things in the closing credits of films and it’s nice to see that even Disney played along with this and gave us spoof out-takes for Toy Story and Monsters Inc, they really add to the film and you feel like you’re getting an extra treat. Wayne’s World had a funny ending after the credits and now many other films are doing the same, from pictures of what happened next in Bridget Jones Diary to stupid credits and recipes in the Naked Gun films.

So this begs the question; why do TV companies see fit to cut or obliterate the end credits of films when they show them? It may seem a really small matter for some, but not only are we missing that vital piece of information about who that extra b-movie actor was working the tractor in that small scene, but also all the extra goodies that the film makers have worked hard to put in. realise that running times are important and that you could always buy or rent the movie anyway, but surely they could spare 2 or 3 minutes extra to give us the rest of the film. We deserve it after watching the whole thing on their channel for 2 hours, another few minutes is such a small thing to ask for.

It all started with one companies idea to speed up the end credits and cut the music down to save time. From there someone must have decided that it was then fine to talk over what remained of the credits and move them to a small little box in the corner while they advertised something else on the channel. Sometimes they just cut the whole lot out (mostly during afternoon movies). Why? Aren’t there any film fans left in television these days?

One day us credits fans will have our way and get to see the whole credits on television, until then you can find us sitting in the cinema after everyone else has gone or grabbing the remote before someone else decides to turn off the DVD player.
Sun 01/12/02 at 17:48
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"That's right!"
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Austin Powers 2 had stuff during the credits. Half the audience were on their way out when they started. Some sat back down, some stood in the aisles and some just kept walking. We sat and watched them all. Because we rule

At home, I nearly always leave the credits rolling if I'm watching a DVD or something, ususally to listen to the soundtrack and find out who the composer is (if I don't already know) and see if I recognise any other names
Sun 01/12/02 at 17:33
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"possibly impossible"
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True, but I'm surprised that more people don't stay to see the songs used in the film, rather than asking 'what the heck was that song they used?' about 2 weeks later.

Also, as I said, so many actors have bit-parts in films these days that you need to keep an eye on the credits to find out where you recognised the faces from. The TV companies don't really help at all with this.
Sat 30/11/02 at 15:53
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"Rong Xion Tong"
Posts: 5,237
RM18 wrote:
> But if you have out-takes and stuff while the credits are still
> running (a la 'Liar Liar' or 'Rush Hour') then all that will achieve
> is keeping people behind to watch the outtakes - I can't see how it
> will increase their interest in reading the credits.


You will educate them without them actually knowing. If you put a small gap between each clip then I'm sure they'll read the credits rather than stare at the blackness around the outside. Then they'll pick up names of people and possibly remember them instead of saying something stupid like "who's Verger?" That guy needed a kick in the head.
Sat 30/11/02 at 15:46
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But if you have out-takes and stuff while the credits are still running (a la 'Liar Liar' or 'Rush Hour') then all that will achieve is keeping people behind to watch the outtakes - I can't see how it will increase their interest in reading the credits.
Sat 30/11/02 at 14:18
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"Rong Xion Tong"
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I always try and stay for the cast list at least. If I'm just with one person I make them stay for the cast but if I'm with a group of people they usually drag me out.

If its a comedy then I'd probably stay right to the end in case there's an add-on clip but if it was a serious film, I wouldn't worry about it. Unless of course, there's a song I recognised in the film in which case I'd wait for the song list which is usally at the end of the credits anyway.

What really annoys me though is when someone in the cinema shows their complete lack of any film knowledge. For example, when I saw Hannibal I already knew that Verger was played by Gary Oldman. I probably wouldn't have recognised him in the film had I not already known but I would have spotted his name at the end. Anyway, some guy in front of me got up to leave as soon as the credits started but his mate told him to sit down. Then the guy who wanted to see the credits said "Gary Oldman?! I can't believe he played Verger. I didn't even notice!" Or something along those lines anyway. I wasn't really surprised as it sounded nothing like him and the make-up was superb. But then his dumb friend said "What? Who's that? And who's Verger?"

!!!

That guy needed a beating!

And one more thing. Hannibal was a great film. I don't care what anyone else says, it was great! Better than Lambs in fact. I hate it when PS2 mags (for example) try to act all filmy knowy (if you get my meaning). Stick to reviewing games ya retards! Leave the films to people who have a clue what they're talking about!

Okay, my rant is now over.
Sat 30/11/02 at 13:34
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
Posts: 15,844
I always want to stay for the credits but most of the time I'm dragged out of the cinema. My arguement is, I paid to watch the film, I should be able to watch the credits as well.
Sat 30/11/02 at 11:49
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"+34 Intellect"
Posts: 21,334
To be honest as soon as the film finishes im off. If i knew that there were going to be extra bits during the credits i might be tempted to stay, but im not really that bothered if i missed them. On saying that however i watched quite a lot of the Lord of the rings credits both in the cinema and on the dvd because the music was so good.

As for looking at the credits to see who the "key grip" was, i wouldnt lose any sleep over it if i missed it.
Sat 30/11/02 at 11:31
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"possibly impossible"
Posts: 24,985
The end of a film is nigh, you sigh or feel relieved (depending on how good it is) then leave. But aren’t you missing something? On my infrequent visits to the cinema, I always watch about 85% of the audience get up and leave at the start of the credits, but some of us, me included, always stay to watch the rest of the film.

It used to be that at least 90% of the audience left before the credits, now it seems to be more. Perhaps that’s because those of us who stayed to find out who the key grip was and who operated the boom that day were eventually rewarded for our efforts. Many film-makers started noticing this trend and began putting clips, out-takes and jokes at the end of the film, either in the credits themselves (Naked Gun) or at the end (Wayne’s World). Of course, we were delighted at this and had something to tell all those people who missed these bits because they couldn’t get their bums of the seats fast enough after the closing scene.

I’ve witnessed some incredibly funny things in the closing credits of films and it’s nice to see that even Disney played along with this and gave us spoof out-takes for Toy Story and Monsters Inc, they really add to the film and you feel like you’re getting an extra treat. Wayne’s World had a funny ending after the credits and now many other films are doing the same, from pictures of what happened next in Bridget Jones Diary to stupid credits and recipes in the Naked Gun films.

So this begs the question; why do TV companies see fit to cut or obliterate the end credits of films when they show them? It may seem a really small matter for some, but not only are we missing that vital piece of information about who that extra b-movie actor was working the tractor in that small scene, but also all the extra goodies that the film makers have worked hard to put in. realise that running times are important and that you could always buy or rent the movie anyway, but surely they could spare 2 or 3 minutes extra to give us the rest of the film. We deserve it after watching the whole thing on their channel for 2 hours, another few minutes is such a small thing to ask for.

It all started with one companies idea to speed up the end credits and cut the music down to save time. From there someone must have decided that it was then fine to talk over what remained of the credits and move them to a small little box in the corner while they advertised something else on the channel. Sometimes they just cut the whole lot out (mostly during afternoon movies). Why? Aren’t there any film fans left in television these days?

One day us credits fans will have our way and get to see the whole credits on television, until then you can find us sitting in the cinema after everyone else has gone or grabbing the remote before someone else decides to turn off the DVD player.

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