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No, this is not about the book of the same title.
Recently, in Sydney, a man (of Lebanese origin, the importance of which will become apparent) was convicted of being the leader of a gang that performed several gang rapes. Said rapes were allegedly racially motivated - gang was Lebanese (or had people of Lebanese descent only), and they targeted "white" women only. This has got a lot of debate going in Australia about whether the Police should be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases.
Anyway, back to the case. Sentence was 55 years, with a non-parole period of 40 years. This has caused a bit of interest - various members of the legal community have complained that the sentence is too harsh, community (at least those that write letters to newspapers and get on talkback radio) think its about fair.
Two questions. Was this sentence fair? Crime was premeditated gang rape, 3 offences thereof.
Second, should the police be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases? Lot of complaints earlier this year when the police released descriptions of suspects "of Lebanese origin". While this can lead to racism, it can also speed up the case. Which way do you lean?
If you take 40 years (as can be considered parole) he is sentanced to 13 years (approx) for each rape. would be slightly high if the full sentence is served, the 40 years sounds about right. Sounds a bit harsh compared to what other convicts get for even more serious offence, but judging by what the victims had to endure, I'd say the sentence was lenient. If he was a teenager, fine, but if he was 40 or something, you may as well let him out when hes 70 or summat - not like hes going to be interested in his previous activities after that long in prison. And racism accusations are entirely justified - its setting people apart due to thier race. It's just that it should probably be ignored to, since there is obviously little racial repression occuring. Race is too broad a brush in many cases, but where only a broad brush is needed, and its a very very specific race - fine. Likewise, circulating a description of a suspect without saying what colour skin he has, for example, is retarded. Or what colour hair, or eyes for that matter.
Incidentally, the man who got the 55 year sentence is 20. So, he won't be out until he is at least 60, and will definitely be out when he is 75.
A repeat rapist should be castrated. Very crudly. By a blind surgeon. With garden shears. Rusty ones. Well, in my opinion. (Ok, the rusty garden shears is a bit much [sterile ones would be ok though, no really], but I do think repeat rapists should be castrated). To be honest, I feel that when it comes to rape, especially gang rape, it's the equivalent to murder. Although the person is still living, some people may be "shells" in trying to deal with the trauma, or even the stigma of being a rape victim. I don't know what it's like in Australia, but definitely in England there's a problem with rape victims coming forward, making their situation worse than it really is.
Discuss.
Flux.
Recently, in Sydney, a man (of Lebanese origin, the importance of which will become apparent) was convicted of being the leader of a gang that performed several gang rapes. Said rapes were allegedly racially motivated - gang was Lebanese (or had people of Lebanese descent only), and they targeted "white" women only. This has got a lot of debate going in Australia about whether the Police should be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases.
Anyway, back to the case. Sentence was 55 years, with a non-parole period of 40 years. This has caused a bit of interest - various members of the legal community have complained that the sentence is too harsh, community (at least those that write letters to newspapers and get on talkback radio) think its about fair.
Two questions. Was this sentence fair? Crime was premeditated gang rape, 3 offences thereof.
Second, should the police be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases? Lot of complaints earlier this year when the police released descriptions of suspects "of Lebanese origin". While this can lead to racism, it can also speed up the case. Which way do you lean?
If you take 40 years (as can be considered parole) he is sentanced to 13 years (approx) for each rape. would be slightly high if the full sentence is served, the 40 years sounds about right. Sounds a bit harsh compared to what other convicts get for even more serious offence, but judging by what the victims had to endure, I'd say the sentence was lenient. If he was a teenager, fine, but if he was 40 or something, you may as well let him out when hes 70 or summat - not like hes going to be interested in his previous activities after that long in prison. And racism accusations are entirely justified - its setting people apart due to thier race. It's just that it should probably be ignored to, since there is obviously little racial repression occuring. Race is too broad a brush in many cases, but where only a broad brush is needed, and its a very very specific race - fine. Likewise, circulating a description of a suspect without saying what colour skin he has, for example, is retarded. Or what colour hair, or eyes for that matter.
Incidentally, the man who got the 55 year sentence is 20. So, he won't be out until he is at least 60, and will definitely be out when he is 75.
A repeat rapist should be castrated. Very crudly. By a blind surgeon. With garden shears. Rusty ones. Well, in my opinion. (Ok, the rusty garden shears is a bit much [sterile ones would be ok though, no really], but I do think repeat rapists should be castrated). To be honest, I feel that when it comes to rape, especially gang rape, it's the equivalent to murder. Although the person is still living, some people may be "shells" in trying to deal with the trauma, or even the stigma of being a rape victim. I don't know what it's like in Australia, but definitely in England there's a problem with rape victims coming forward, making their situation worse than it really is.
Discuss.
Flux.
pb wrote:
> Belldandy wrote:
> local law enforcement is proving effective in big
> cases like the holyl and Jessica one, you can't beat having a
> dedicated agency like the FBI to really go at cases.
Oops, I missed out "but" next to 'you can't', which changes how you read the sentence somewhat....
> It is a sad fact that this country is seeing more crime, more
> disrespect for authority and generally less trust all round. The
> usual response is ‘if you don’t like it, go and live somewhere else’
> which is great advice for all you ostriches out there who just like
> sticking your heads in the sand.
Yeah, I know what you mean, loads of people have this idea the the state is some evil body/thing. It isn't, and never has been in recent history. Britain's are becoming adept at sticking their heads in sand...because we live on a little small island aside from the rest of the world and we're perfect, and if you say otherwise get lost !!! *sarcasm*
That kind of attitude is stupid, and explains why we're going downhill as a society and culture. Other famous phrases from today's Britain; "if it's not hurting anyone why can't I do it ?", "who cares ?", "Only illegal if you get caught", "not harming anyone am I ?", and many more containing copious swearing. What a rubbish country.
~~Belldandy~~
> Belldandy wrote:
> local law enforcement is proving effective in big
> cases like the holyl and Jessica one, you can't beat having a
> dedicated agency like the FBI to really go at cases.
Oops, I missed out "but" next to 'you can't', which changes how you read the sentence somewhat....
> It is a sad fact that this country is seeing more crime, more
> disrespect for authority and generally less trust all round. The
> usual response is ‘if you don’t like it, go and live somewhere else’
> which is great advice for all you ostriches out there who just like
> sticking your heads in the sand.
Yeah, I know what you mean, loads of people have this idea the the state is some evil body/thing. It isn't, and never has been in recent history. Britain's are becoming adept at sticking their heads in sand...because we live on a little small island aside from the rest of the world and we're perfect, and if you say otherwise get lost !!! *sarcasm*
That kind of attitude is stupid, and explains why we're going downhill as a society and culture. Other famous phrases from today's Britain; "if it's not hurting anyone why can't I do it ?", "who cares ?", "Only illegal if you get caught", "not harming anyone am I ?", and many more containing copious swearing. What a rubbish country.
~~Belldandy~~
Belldandy wrote:
> local law enforcement is proving effective in big
> cases like the holyl and Jessica one, you can't beat having a
> dedicated agency like the FBI to really go at cases.
>
Effective, as in the fact that they caught the killer after the event, rather than finding the people who would commit these crimes and helping them. Ok, so it isn't always possible, and in this case it was probably a surprise to the people who knew this bloke, but in a lot of cases these people are re-offenders.
At one stage the government were interested in trying to help people with mental problems or who had already offended before. Their methods were, of course, questionable and going back far enough there are some horrendous stories about asylums, but in this day and age, I’m sure we could find a better way to help these people, rather that shrugging shoulders and releasing them back in to the community with a weekly visit from a community care rep or often without any supervision or help at all.
It is a sad fact that this country is seeing more crime, more disrespect for authority and generally less trust all round. The usual response is ‘if you don’t like it, go and live somewhere else’ which is great advice for all you ostriches out there who just like sticking your heads in the sand.
> local law enforcement is proving effective in big
> cases like the holyl and Jessica one, you can't beat having a
> dedicated agency like the FBI to really go at cases.
>
Effective, as in the fact that they caught the killer after the event, rather than finding the people who would commit these crimes and helping them. Ok, so it isn't always possible, and in this case it was probably a surprise to the people who knew this bloke, but in a lot of cases these people are re-offenders.
At one stage the government were interested in trying to help people with mental problems or who had already offended before. Their methods were, of course, questionable and going back far enough there are some horrendous stories about asylums, but in this day and age, I’m sure we could find a better way to help these people, rather that shrugging shoulders and releasing them back in to the community with a weekly visit from a community care rep or often without any supervision or help at all.
It is a sad fact that this country is seeing more crime, more disrespect for authority and generally less trust all round. The usual response is ‘if you don’t like it, go and live somewhere else’ which is great advice for all you ostriches out there who just like sticking your heads in the sand.
First up - Racial Profiling. Police and law enforcement autorities everywhere need to be using this a heck of a lot more. Political correctness says that profiling is wrong, but only because of the assumption that the authorities link certain types of crime to certain ethnic/racial characteristics. All the world now uses psychological profiling to draw up an idea of what an offender(s) could most likely be.
In many ways racial profiling is already in use anyway, if someone commits a crime in England then most of us sobconciously assume that the criminal is white. At the end of the day profiling means catching the suspects and deterring crime is that bit easier - not a bad thing. In the war against terrorism it's proving to be essential. The majority of Al Queda's "lot" all share certain racial characteristics, with the exceptions like Walker. Yes, it targets certain people, but as long as that reason is justified i.e. it's proven that the type of offender is likely to be from a certain racial group, then there's no racism in that.
Next - Rape, prison sentences and all that lot. The answer isn't antics involving garden shears or even surgeons knives, nor is it the death penalty. Say for one moment rape is made equal to murder. If someone is a rapist, and the crime they commit is the same as murder, what incentive is there for them not to dispose of the person they rape ? Makes them less likely to be caught doesn't it, and if the sentece is the same...... The answer to all crime, is to simply improve the police and agencies charged with keeping the law and not restricting them with political correctness.
I'm not saying a society without crime, I'm saying a society where if you commit crime then the forces of law and order will be after the criminals unhindered and with the latest technology available. I'm not sure where that would take us, but in the UK it's definitely only a matter of time before officers are armed, and we have something akin to the FBI. Whilst local law enforcement is proving effective in big cases like the holyl and Jessica one, you can't beat having a dedicated agency like the FBI to really go at cases.
~~Belldandy~~
In many ways racial profiling is already in use anyway, if someone commits a crime in England then most of us sobconciously assume that the criminal is white. At the end of the day profiling means catching the suspects and deterring crime is that bit easier - not a bad thing. In the war against terrorism it's proving to be essential. The majority of Al Queda's "lot" all share certain racial characteristics, with the exceptions like Walker. Yes, it targets certain people, but as long as that reason is justified i.e. it's proven that the type of offender is likely to be from a certain racial group, then there's no racism in that.
Next - Rape, prison sentences and all that lot. The answer isn't antics involving garden shears or even surgeons knives, nor is it the death penalty. Say for one moment rape is made equal to murder. If someone is a rapist, and the crime they commit is the same as murder, what incentive is there for them not to dispose of the person they rape ? Makes them less likely to be caught doesn't it, and if the sentece is the same...... The answer to all crime, is to simply improve the police and agencies charged with keeping the law and not restricting them with political correctness.
I'm not saying a society without crime, I'm saying a society where if you commit crime then the forces of law and order will be after the criminals unhindered and with the latest technology available. I'm not sure where that would take us, but in the UK it's definitely only a matter of time before officers are armed, and we have something akin to the FBI. Whilst local law enforcement is proving effective in big cases like the holyl and Jessica one, you can't beat having a dedicated agency like the FBI to really go at cases.
~~Belldandy~~
No, this is not about the book of the same title.
Recently, in Sydney, a man (of Lebanese origin, the importance of which will become apparent) was convicted of being the leader of a gang that performed several gang rapes. Said rapes were allegedly racially motivated - gang was Lebanese (or had people of Lebanese descent only), and they targeted "white" women only. This has got a lot of debate going in Australia about whether the Police should be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases.
Anyway, back to the case. Sentence was 55 years, with a non-parole period of 40 years. This has caused a bit of interest - various members of the legal community have complained that the sentence is too harsh, community (at least those that write letters to newspapers and get on talkback radio) think its about fair.
Two questions. Was this sentence fair? Crime was premeditated gang rape, 3 offences thereof.
Second, should the police be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases? Lot of complaints earlier this year when the police released descriptions of suspects "of Lebanese origin". While this can lead to racism, it can also speed up the case. Which way do you lean?
If you take 40 years (as can be considered parole) he is sentanced to 13 years (approx) for each rape. would be slightly high if the full sentence is served, the 40 years sounds about right. Sounds a bit harsh compared to what other convicts get for even more serious offence, but judging by what the victims had to endure, I'd say the sentence was lenient. If he was a teenager, fine, but if he was 40 or something, you may as well let him out when hes 70 or summat - not like hes going to be interested in his previous activities after that long in prison. And racism accusations are entirely justified - its setting people apart due to thier race. It's just that it should probably be ignored to, since there is obviously little racial repression occuring. Race is too broad a brush in many cases, but where only a broad brush is needed, and its a very very specific race - fine. Likewise, circulating a description of a suspect without saying what colour skin he has, for example, is retarded. Or what colour hair, or eyes for that matter.
Incidentally, the man who got the 55 year sentence is 20. So, he won't be out until he is at least 60, and will definitely be out when he is 75.
A repeat rapist should be castrated. Very crudly. By a blind surgeon. With garden shears. Rusty ones. Well, in my opinion. (Ok, the rusty garden shears is a bit much [sterile ones would be ok though, no really], but I do think repeat rapists should be castrated). To be honest, I feel that when it comes to rape, especially gang rape, it's the equivalent to murder. Although the person is still living, some people may be "shells" in trying to deal with the trauma, or even the stigma of being a rape victim. I don't know what it's like in Australia, but definitely in England there's a problem with rape victims coming forward, making their situation worse than it really is.
Discuss.
Flux.
Recently, in Sydney, a man (of Lebanese origin, the importance of which will become apparent) was convicted of being the leader of a gang that performed several gang rapes. Said rapes were allegedly racially motivated - gang was Lebanese (or had people of Lebanese descent only), and they targeted "white" women only. This has got a lot of debate going in Australia about whether the Police should be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases.
Anyway, back to the case. Sentence was 55 years, with a non-parole period of 40 years. This has caused a bit of interest - various members of the legal community have complained that the sentence is too harsh, community (at least those that write letters to newspapers and get on talkback radio) think its about fair.
Two questions. Was this sentence fair? Crime was premeditated gang rape, 3 offences thereof.
Second, should the police be allowed to use racial profiling when investigating these cases? Lot of complaints earlier this year when the police released descriptions of suspects "of Lebanese origin". While this can lead to racism, it can also speed up the case. Which way do you lean?
If you take 40 years (as can be considered parole) he is sentanced to 13 years (approx) for each rape. would be slightly high if the full sentence is served, the 40 years sounds about right. Sounds a bit harsh compared to what other convicts get for even more serious offence, but judging by what the victims had to endure, I'd say the sentence was lenient. If he was a teenager, fine, but if he was 40 or something, you may as well let him out when hes 70 or summat - not like hes going to be interested in his previous activities after that long in prison. And racism accusations are entirely justified - its setting people apart due to thier race. It's just that it should probably be ignored to, since there is obviously little racial repression occuring. Race is too broad a brush in many cases, but where only a broad brush is needed, and its a very very specific race - fine. Likewise, circulating a description of a suspect without saying what colour skin he has, for example, is retarded. Or what colour hair, or eyes for that matter.
Incidentally, the man who got the 55 year sentence is 20. So, he won't be out until he is at least 60, and will definitely be out when he is 75.
A repeat rapist should be castrated. Very crudly. By a blind surgeon. With garden shears. Rusty ones. Well, in my opinion. (Ok, the rusty garden shears is a bit much [sterile ones would be ok though, no really], but I do think repeat rapists should be castrated). To be honest, I feel that when it comes to rape, especially gang rape, it's the equivalent to murder. Although the person is still living, some people may be "shells" in trying to deal with the trauma, or even the stigma of being a rape victim. I don't know what it's like in Australia, but definitely in England there's a problem with rape victims coming forward, making their situation worse than it really is.
Discuss.
Flux.