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Read a couple of articles on these products now, they're supposed to uncrackable!
Their aim is to have everything on your system checked by a main server, so if your plotting to destroy the world and writting all the details on Word :D then they'll know about it, download it and trake you to court while deleing the files off your PC...
The big problem is encoded MP3s, they say that you'll be able to download them but not share them, Theres lots of crazy stuff, yes there are all the security rights and although they havn't been accepted yet, apparently they're making the system with 2 versions (Stable - the way they wanted it, and Unstable - the way we want it, but they can still scan our PCs) and software installed under stable mode won't work, or won't work aswell, the unstable version will probably not exist for very long as i'm sure the big cheese's in America will accept this idea.
Anyway, I think it's just Windows that are doing this (not trying to get MORE money from you, it probably would be a safer world :p but with less software on your PC, and with stacks of CDs in your room)
meh, they also said that it might drive people away from it onto Linux (I read this article from the Linux Format magazine) so obviously they'd say that.
Anyway, just thought i'd tell you if you hadn't already read something, i'd like to hear what other people have seen/read about this please.
Their aim is to have everything on your system checked by a main server, so if your plotting to destroy the world and writting all the details on Word :D then they'll know about it, download it and trake you to court while deleing the files off your PC...
The big problem is encoded MP3s, they say that you'll be able to download them but not share them, Theres lots of crazy stuff, yes there are all the security rights and although they havn't been accepted yet, apparently they're making the system with 2 versions (Stable - the way they wanted it, and Unstable - the way we want it, but they can still scan our PCs) and software installed under stable mode won't work, or won't work aswell, the unstable version will probably not exist for very long as i'm sure the big cheese's in America will accept this idea.
Anyway, I think it's just Windows that are doing this (not trying to get MORE money from you, it probably would be a safer world :p but with less software on your PC, and with stacks of CDs in your room)
meh, they also said that it might drive people away from it onto Linux (I read this article from the Linux Format magazine) so obviously they'd say that.
Anyway, just thought i'd tell you if you hadn't already read something, i'd like to hear what other people have seen/read about this please.
Ah right. My information is several months old, just really an article I read on Slashdot when Palladium was just announced. At the time it wass pretty much "Screw the competition, we own your soul" style.
Garin wrote:
>
> The pressure to use palladium will come from software vendors and
> online content providers because they can tell their software not to
> run on computers they are "trusted", and the same with
> webpages, in theory it would be possible to refuse to serve a webpage
> to a computer that itsn't "trusted".
Umm...just to correct myself...
I meant "they can tell their software not to run on computers they are NOT "trusted". " :)
>
> The pressure to use palladium will come from software vendors and
> online content providers because they can tell their software not to
> run on computers they are "trusted", and the same with
> webpages, in theory it would be possible to refuse to serve a webpage
> to a computer that itsn't "trusted".
Umm...just to correct myself...
I meant "they can tell their software not to run on computers they are NOT "trusted". " :)
Turbonutter wrote:
> You're missing the point. The plan is to have everything, including
> hardware, Palladium-enabled. You can't do it on the OS alone as people
> will just easily not buy the OS, or as you said, go to alternatives
> such as Linux. Microsoft want AMD and Intel to incorporate Palladium
> technology into their CPUs, so they won't run processes that aren't
> Palladium authorised. This will basically kill Linux stone dead in the
> water, as well as previous MS OSs. Only the new Microsoft Palladium OS
> will work at all.
This isn't true at all...
A palladium PC will still be able to run linux, as they can still be run in an untrusted mode. You'll still be able to run your old OS and software etc.. And microsoft have even claimed that full technical details along with the code will be released anyway. Therefore given time palladium security of some description will appear on linux and other OS I would guess. In fact there are already versions of linux in the works that incorporate the TCPA initiative which is essentially the hardware side of palladium (bit more complicated than that actually but essentially true).
If you read the design specs of palladium pcs, its one of the first things it says, the intention is not to stop people running whatever code they like on their PC.
The pressure to use palladium will come from software vendors and online content providers because they can tell their software not to run on computers they are "trusted", and the same with webpages, in theory it would be possible to refuse to serve a webpage to a computer that itsn't "trusted".
> You're missing the point. The plan is to have everything, including
> hardware, Palladium-enabled. You can't do it on the OS alone as people
> will just easily not buy the OS, or as you said, go to alternatives
> such as Linux. Microsoft want AMD and Intel to incorporate Palladium
> technology into their CPUs, so they won't run processes that aren't
> Palladium authorised. This will basically kill Linux stone dead in the
> water, as well as previous MS OSs. Only the new Microsoft Palladium OS
> will work at all.
This isn't true at all...
A palladium PC will still be able to run linux, as they can still be run in an untrusted mode. You'll still be able to run your old OS and software etc.. And microsoft have even claimed that full technical details along with the code will be released anyway. Therefore given time palladium security of some description will appear on linux and other OS I would guess. In fact there are already versions of linux in the works that incorporate the TCPA initiative which is essentially the hardware side of palladium (bit more complicated than that actually but essentially true).
If you read the design specs of palladium pcs, its one of the first things it says, the intention is not to stop people running whatever code they like on their PC.
The pressure to use palladium will come from software vendors and online content providers because they can tell their software not to run on computers they are "trusted", and the same with webpages, in theory it would be possible to refuse to serve a webpage to a computer that itsn't "trusted".
I'm not sure if it's ALL hardware, but I remember it's more than just CPUs.
Ah yes I saw that, just forgot about it, although I didn't know it was ALL hardware, just the CPUs, the test types are called Fritz or something.
You're missing the point. The plan is to have everything, including hardware, Palladium-enabled. You can't do it on the OS alone as people will just easily not buy the OS, or as you said, go to alternatives such as Linux. Microsoft want AMD and Intel to incorporate Palladium technology into their CPUs, so they won't run processes that aren't Palladium authorised. This will basically kill Linux stone dead in the water, as well as previous MS OSs. Only the new Microsoft Palladium OS will work at all.
Of course, this will mean people will just not buy the new CPUs. The thing is, who will crumble first - the people who need faster processors or the manufacturers who need customers? Place your bets now.
...if it gets past the courts :-)
Of course, this will mean people will just not buy the new CPUs. The thing is, who will crumble first - the people who need faster processors or the manufacturers who need customers? Place your bets now.
...if it gets past the courts :-)
Read a couple of articles on these products now, they're supposed to uncrackable!
Their aim is to have everything on your system checked by a main server, so if your plotting to destroy the world and writting all the details on Word :D then they'll know about it, download it and trake you to court while deleing the files off your PC...
The big problem is encoded MP3s, they say that you'll be able to download them but not share them, Theres lots of crazy stuff, yes there are all the security rights and although they havn't been accepted yet, apparently they're making the system with 2 versions (Stable - the way they wanted it, and Unstable - the way we want it, but they can still scan our PCs) and software installed under stable mode won't work, or won't work aswell, the unstable version will probably not exist for very long as i'm sure the big cheese's in America will accept this idea.
Anyway, I think it's just Windows that are doing this (not trying to get MORE money from you, it probably would be a safer world :p but with less software on your PC, and with stacks of CDs in your room)
meh, they also said that it might drive people away from it onto Linux (I read this article from the Linux Format magazine) so obviously they'd say that.
Anyway, just thought i'd tell you if you hadn't already read something, i'd like to hear what other people have seen/read about this please.
Their aim is to have everything on your system checked by a main server, so if your plotting to destroy the world and writting all the details on Word :D then they'll know about it, download it and trake you to court while deleing the files off your PC...
The big problem is encoded MP3s, they say that you'll be able to download them but not share them, Theres lots of crazy stuff, yes there are all the security rights and although they havn't been accepted yet, apparently they're making the system with 2 versions (Stable - the way they wanted it, and Unstable - the way we want it, but they can still scan our PCs) and software installed under stable mode won't work, or won't work aswell, the unstable version will probably not exist for very long as i'm sure the big cheese's in America will accept this idea.
Anyway, I think it's just Windows that are doing this (not trying to get MORE money from you, it probably would be a safer world :p but with less software on your PC, and with stacks of CDs in your room)
meh, they also said that it might drive people away from it onto Linux (I read this article from the Linux Format magazine) so obviously they'd say that.
Anyway, just thought i'd tell you if you hadn't already read something, i'd like to hear what other people have seen/read about this please.