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Right when you read this you may begin to question my sanity, I have a cunning plan which could change football. I have discussed it with several people and no body can see a major flaw it it except that its a bitfar fetched.
Ok as I said here me out.
The basic plan is that a rich man buys a professional footballers contract (preferentially with me as a business partner) rather than a professional club. The Best kind of player to buy would be somebody like Lee Bowyer who has one year left on his contract and could be picked up for in the region of 5 million pounds. Now the thing about lee bowyer is that his contract is running out so his value is vastly deflated and his true transfer value is closer to 15 million. As soon as he signs a five year deal his value will return to the higher price. Now when you buy him you negotiate with another club who would like to have this player in there team but does not want the outlay (ie chelsea who are trying to reduce expenditure), that you will lease this player to them in exchange for them paying you his wages and possibly a little bit extra for a year. Now a player like bowyer who is breaking into the england team has a firm and non wavering transfer value and is likely to perform consistently well, his peformances at the loan club will keep him in the public eye and will maintain his high value. Come the end of the season you would have a very valuable asset, and a player of bowyers repute could be sold on for at least 12 million pounds to many different bidders which can be used to pay back the loan and of course the percentage of the profits.
"Thats absolutely crazy, the most stupid thing i have ever heard, are you alex ferguson" i hear you cry.
The following flaws seem to exist
A) Where does this rich business man appear from?- well the rich businessman can be an entrepreneur and obviously can go it alone as it is his money. It would be his own business venture.
B)Why would Lee Bowyer want to sign a contract with you?-Ok this is probably the biggest stumbling block. The reason for this would be, as it is the intention to use a 100% loan for the first year and the loaning club has no initial outlay it will be possible to negotiate higher wages. Lee bowyer is on £15,000 a week at the moment. If offered £30,000 he could still easily be loaned out to top clubs who don't want to make the initial outlay or clubs like liverpool were they like to test the goods before they buy rather than take a risk. Financial gain and a greater freedom of choice of which club to join would be the main incentive.
C) football is a fickle business what guarentees would you have of a profit. Obviously there are no certainties in footballand no uarentees. The better the player the more likely you are to get a good return and so Bowyer or someone like nuno gomes are likely to guarntee a safer return. If you were a real gamble the buying up of foreign youngsters on the cheap would provide a potentially higher income but provide no guarentees.
Anyway a better business man than me could probably formulate an even safer way to guarentee a safe return, i have discussed this with a few people and after the initial shock most see what i am getting at. The issue of individuals buying a stake or the rights to a player could become a big part of football if worked out by the right people and especially in the current economic climate where many clubs differ in financial levels with in the same league. I could see individuals owning the rights toindividual players in the future for commercial reasons.
Ok as I said here me out.
The basic plan is that a rich man buys a professional footballers contract (preferentially with me as a business partner) rather than a professional club. The Best kind of player to buy would be somebody like Lee Bowyer who has one year left on his contract and could be picked up for in the region of 5 million pounds. Now the thing about lee bowyer is that his contract is running out so his value is vastly deflated and his true transfer value is closer to 15 million. As soon as he signs a five year deal his value will return to the higher price. Now when you buy him you negotiate with another club who would like to have this player in there team but does not want the outlay (ie chelsea who are trying to reduce expenditure), that you will lease this player to them in exchange for them paying you his wages and possibly a little bit extra for a year. Now a player like bowyer who is breaking into the england team has a firm and non wavering transfer value and is likely to perform consistently well, his peformances at the loan club will keep him in the public eye and will maintain his high value. Come the end of the season you would have a very valuable asset, and a player of bowyers repute could be sold on for at least 12 million pounds to many different bidders which can be used to pay back the loan and of course the percentage of the profits.
"Thats absolutely crazy, the most stupid thing i have ever heard, are you alex ferguson" i hear you cry.
The following flaws seem to exist
A) Where does this rich business man appear from?- well the rich businessman can be an entrepreneur and obviously can go it alone as it is his money. It would be his own business venture.
B)Why would Lee Bowyer want to sign a contract with you?-Ok this is probably the biggest stumbling block. The reason for this would be, as it is the intention to use a 100% loan for the first year and the loaning club has no initial outlay it will be possible to negotiate higher wages. Lee bowyer is on £15,000 a week at the moment. If offered £30,000 he could still easily be loaned out to top clubs who don't want to make the initial outlay or clubs like liverpool were they like to test the goods before they buy rather than take a risk. Financial gain and a greater freedom of choice of which club to join would be the main incentive.
C) football is a fickle business what guarentees would you have of a profit. Obviously there are no certainties in footballand no uarentees. The better the player the more likely you are to get a good return and so Bowyer or someone like nuno gomes are likely to guarntee a safer return. If you were a real gamble the buying up of foreign youngsters on the cheap would provide a potentially higher income but provide no guarentees.
Anyway a better business man than me could probably formulate an even safer way to guarentee a safe return, i have discussed this with a few people and after the initial shock most see what i am getting at. The issue of individuals buying a stake or the rights to a player could become a big part of football if worked out by the right people and especially in the current economic climate where many clubs differ in financial levels with in the same league. I could see individuals owning the rights toindividual players in the future for commercial reasons.
Fountain of Knowledge wrote:
> Well, you wanted the holes in the argument and here goes:
>
> An individual cannot 'own' a professional footballer, they can only be
> employed by a UEFA-registered club, which a Richard Branson-figure is
> not. They aren't pieces of fruit, they can't just be owned and thrown
> around. Notwithstanding, it takes years and millions of pounds to set
> up a football club, no decent player is going to sign up to be the
> only player at a brand-new club, and the cost and effort of setting up
> a token club- stadium, staff, etc, negates the whole scam and you
> might as well go the whole hog and start up a new club.
>
> You can set a club up with ease and register it uefa or buy barnet or some one for a quid, but i think you made this clause up because it sounded right to you. because i know for a fact that a person can own at least a stake in a player. ahem ahem DIEGO BLOODY FORLAN independenteowned his playing rights but he was actually brought to the club by a local business man. Not on the grounds i have stipulated but he was paid for buy a business man as he was a supporteds and independiente couldn't afford him or something, or didn't want him as they weren't confident in his ability. When he blossomed and was sold on over 50% of the money went to this shady character. hole in your plan!
Also, you can't loan players out to clubs in the same division as you
> (and if you weren't a club, then you couldn't buy or loan anyone in or
> out), but besides that small oversight, most clubs don't like to loan
> in players, only clubs that want a player just for one season. Very
> few loans actually take place, and they're often to lower league
> clubs.
>
I wouldn't be in the same division as the entrepeneur is an individual.
> Oh, also, if you think you can get a player like Lee Bowyer for 5mil,
> with one year to go or not, you're very much mistaken. Firstly, though
> that's his market value, it's not his real value, because he's not for
> sale unless the club say he is, and then a proper club would come in
> for him. If he's happy at the club, while he's under contract, the
> club would be hopeful of tying him to a new contract. Clubs dont tend
> to sell happy, performing footballers. If he's unsettled and with more
> than a year to go on his contract, he'll move to a real club, where he
> gets to play football and stuff. If he's got less, he'll probably sit
> it out and get snapped up on a bosman.
>
I bet you that a team could have prized him away for 5-7 mil at the beginning of the season as in 3 months time he can negotiate himself a new club for the grand sum of £0,and he has siad that is his intention. I must say i am right on this. And this was my one real stumbling was the player can do what they like anyway. But it still leaves the door up for signing say young players with appaently clear futures.
> So for these reasons, and more I've not given myself the time to
> generate, your plan cannot work.
> Well, you wanted the holes in the argument and here goes:
>
> An individual cannot 'own' a professional footballer, they can only be
> employed by a UEFA-registered club, which a Richard Branson-figure is
> not. They aren't pieces of fruit, they can't just be owned and thrown
> around. Notwithstanding, it takes years and millions of pounds to set
> up a football club, no decent player is going to sign up to be the
> only player at a brand-new club, and the cost and effort of setting up
> a token club- stadium, staff, etc, negates the whole scam and you
> might as well go the whole hog and start up a new club.
>
> You can set a club up with ease and register it uefa or buy barnet or some one for a quid, but i think you made this clause up because it sounded right to you. because i know for a fact that a person can own at least a stake in a player. ahem ahem DIEGO BLOODY FORLAN independenteowned his playing rights but he was actually brought to the club by a local business man. Not on the grounds i have stipulated but he was paid for buy a business man as he was a supporteds and independiente couldn't afford him or something, or didn't want him as they weren't confident in his ability. When he blossomed and was sold on over 50% of the money went to this shady character. hole in your plan!
Also, you can't loan players out to clubs in the same division as you
> (and if you weren't a club, then you couldn't buy or loan anyone in or
> out), but besides that small oversight, most clubs don't like to loan
> in players, only clubs that want a player just for one season. Very
> few loans actually take place, and they're often to lower league
> clubs.
>
I wouldn't be in the same division as the entrepeneur is an individual.
> Oh, also, if you think you can get a player like Lee Bowyer for 5mil,
> with one year to go or not, you're very much mistaken. Firstly, though
> that's his market value, it's not his real value, because he's not for
> sale unless the club say he is, and then a proper club would come in
> for him. If he's happy at the club, while he's under contract, the
> club would be hopeful of tying him to a new contract. Clubs dont tend
> to sell happy, performing footballers. If he's unsettled and with more
> than a year to go on his contract, he'll move to a real club, where he
> gets to play football and stuff. If he's got less, he'll probably sit
> it out and get snapped up on a bosman.
>
I bet you that a team could have prized him away for 5-7 mil at the beginning of the season as in 3 months time he can negotiate himself a new club for the grand sum of £0,and he has siad that is his intention. I must say i am right on this. And this was my one real stumbling was the player can do what they like anyway. But it still leaves the door up for signing say young players with appaently clear futures.
> So for these reasons, and more I've not given myself the time to
> generate, your plan cannot work.
Well, you wanted the holes in the argument and here goes:
An individual cannot 'own' a professional footballer, they can only be employed by a UEFA-registered club, which a Richard Branson-figure is not. They aren't pieces of fruit, they can't just be owned and thrown around. Notwithstanding, it takes years and millions of pounds to set up a football club, no decent player is going to sign up to be the only player at a brand-new club, and the cost and effort of setting up a token club- stadium, staff, etc, negates the whole scam and you might as well go the whole hog and start up a new club.
Also, you can't loan players out to clubs in the same division as you (and if you weren't a club, then you couldn't buy or loan anyone in or out), but besides that small oversight, most clubs don't like to loan in players, only clubs that want a player just for one season. Very few loans actually take place, and they're often to lower league clubs.
Oh, also, if you think you can get a player like Lee Bowyer for 5mil, with one year to go or not, you're very much mistaken. Firstly, though that's his market value, it's not his real value, because he's not for sale unless the club say he is, and then a proper club would come in for him. If he's happy at the club, while he's under contract, the club would be hopeful of tying him to a new contract. Clubs dont tend to sell happy, performing footballers. If he's unsettled and with more than a year to go on his contract, he'll move to a real club, where he gets to play football and stuff. If he's got less, he'll probably sit it out and get snapped up on a bosman.
So for these reasons, and more I've not given myself the time to generate, your plan cannot work.
An individual cannot 'own' a professional footballer, they can only be employed by a UEFA-registered club, which a Richard Branson-figure is not. They aren't pieces of fruit, they can't just be owned and thrown around. Notwithstanding, it takes years and millions of pounds to set up a football club, no decent player is going to sign up to be the only player at a brand-new club, and the cost and effort of setting up a token club- stadium, staff, etc, negates the whole scam and you might as well go the whole hog and start up a new club.
Also, you can't loan players out to clubs in the same division as you (and if you weren't a club, then you couldn't buy or loan anyone in or out), but besides that small oversight, most clubs don't like to loan in players, only clubs that want a player just for one season. Very few loans actually take place, and they're often to lower league clubs.
Oh, also, if you think you can get a player like Lee Bowyer for 5mil, with one year to go or not, you're very much mistaken. Firstly, though that's his market value, it's not his real value, because he's not for sale unless the club say he is, and then a proper club would come in for him. If he's happy at the club, while he's under contract, the club would be hopeful of tying him to a new contract. Clubs dont tend to sell happy, performing footballers. If he's unsettled and with more than a year to go on his contract, he'll move to a real club, where he gets to play football and stuff. If he's got less, he'll probably sit it out and get snapped up on a bosman.
So for these reasons, and more I've not given myself the time to generate, your plan cannot work.
yep, as i said, im no business man, but i'm sure with the right entrepreneur and other business brains behind it, some one rich could make themselves even richer with some careful planning.
As I said on MSN its a bit like boxing and Don King style, but it is an interesting idea admist some blocking points like large amounts of cash required and asking top players to sign up to people theyve never heard off but your not mad as first assumed... (not that mad anyway)
:-)
:-)
Aimar wrote:
Or perhaps Ashley really is a genius. lol :D
well id have to go for this option. Its only come into play recently though with the bosman ruling so players can leave more freely and transfer values fluctuate more now. i can't see any real practical issue concerning ownership which might prevent an individual from owning a players registration, and even if there was you could set up a football club to straighten out ownership. The desires of the player are the dodgiest part but with there is likely to be a player willing to do so, especially one who has had a huge rift with his club. Timing and good knowledge of transfer values seem to be the most important thing.
Or perhaps Ashley really is a genius. lol :D
well id have to go for this option. Its only come into play recently though with the bosman ruling so players can leave more freely and transfer values fluctuate more now. i can't see any real practical issue concerning ownership which might prevent an individual from owning a players registration, and even if there was you could set up a football club to straighten out ownership. The desires of the player are the dodgiest part but with there is likely to be a player willing to do so, especially one who has had a huge rift with his club. Timing and good knowledge of transfer values seem to be the most important thing.
An interesting idea. Definitely has some potential in it, even if it does sound too good to be true!
Although i'd like to hear more peoples opinion on the idea. There must be a hole in the idea, or someone would have thought of this before? Or perhaps Ashley really is a genius. lol :D
Although i'd like to hear more peoples opinion on the idea. There must be a hole in the idea, or someone would have thought of this before? Or perhaps Ashley really is a genius. lol :D
Right when you read this you may begin to question my sanity, I have a cunning plan which could change football. I have discussed it with several people and no body can see a major flaw it it except that its a bitfar fetched.
Ok as I said here me out.
The basic plan is that a rich man buys a professional footballers contract (preferentially with me as a business partner) rather than a professional club. The Best kind of player to buy would be somebody like Lee Bowyer who has one year left on his contract and could be picked up for in the region of 5 million pounds. Now the thing about lee bowyer is that his contract is running out so his value is vastly deflated and his true transfer value is closer to 15 million. As soon as he signs a five year deal his value will return to the higher price. Now when you buy him you negotiate with another club who would like to have this player in there team but does not want the outlay (ie chelsea who are trying to reduce expenditure), that you will lease this player to them in exchange for them paying you his wages and possibly a little bit extra for a year. Now a player like bowyer who is breaking into the england team has a firm and non wavering transfer value and is likely to perform consistently well, his peformances at the loan club will keep him in the public eye and will maintain his high value. Come the end of the season you would have a very valuable asset, and a player of bowyers repute could be sold on for at least 12 million pounds to many different bidders which can be used to pay back the loan and of course the percentage of the profits.
"Thats absolutely crazy, the most stupid thing i have ever heard, are you alex ferguson" i hear you cry.
The following flaws seem to exist
A) Where does this rich business man appear from?- well the rich businessman can be an entrepreneur and obviously can go it alone as it is his money. It would be his own business venture.
B)Why would Lee Bowyer want to sign a contract with you?-Ok this is probably the biggest stumbling block. The reason for this would be, as it is the intention to use a 100% loan for the first year and the loaning club has no initial outlay it will be possible to negotiate higher wages. Lee bowyer is on £15,000 a week at the moment. If offered £30,000 he could still easily be loaned out to top clubs who don't want to make the initial outlay or clubs like liverpool were they like to test the goods before they buy rather than take a risk. Financial gain and a greater freedom of choice of which club to join would be the main incentive.
C) football is a fickle business what guarentees would you have of a profit. Obviously there are no certainties in footballand no uarentees. The better the player the more likely you are to get a good return and so Bowyer or someone like nuno gomes are likely to guarntee a safer return. If you were a real gamble the buying up of foreign youngsters on the cheap would provide a potentially higher income but provide no guarentees.
Anyway a better business man than me could probably formulate an even safer way to guarentee a safe return, i have discussed this with a few people and after the initial shock most see what i am getting at. The issue of individuals buying a stake or the rights to a player could become a big part of football if worked out by the right people and especially in the current economic climate where many clubs differ in financial levels with in the same league. I could see individuals owning the rights toindividual players in the future for commercial reasons.
Ok as I said here me out.
The basic plan is that a rich man buys a professional footballers contract (preferentially with me as a business partner) rather than a professional club. The Best kind of player to buy would be somebody like Lee Bowyer who has one year left on his contract and could be picked up for in the region of 5 million pounds. Now the thing about lee bowyer is that his contract is running out so his value is vastly deflated and his true transfer value is closer to 15 million. As soon as he signs a five year deal his value will return to the higher price. Now when you buy him you negotiate with another club who would like to have this player in there team but does not want the outlay (ie chelsea who are trying to reduce expenditure), that you will lease this player to them in exchange for them paying you his wages and possibly a little bit extra for a year. Now a player like bowyer who is breaking into the england team has a firm and non wavering transfer value and is likely to perform consistently well, his peformances at the loan club will keep him in the public eye and will maintain his high value. Come the end of the season you would have a very valuable asset, and a player of bowyers repute could be sold on for at least 12 million pounds to many different bidders which can be used to pay back the loan and of course the percentage of the profits.
"Thats absolutely crazy, the most stupid thing i have ever heard, are you alex ferguson" i hear you cry.
The following flaws seem to exist
A) Where does this rich business man appear from?- well the rich businessman can be an entrepreneur and obviously can go it alone as it is his money. It would be his own business venture.
B)Why would Lee Bowyer want to sign a contract with you?-Ok this is probably the biggest stumbling block. The reason for this would be, as it is the intention to use a 100% loan for the first year and the loaning club has no initial outlay it will be possible to negotiate higher wages. Lee bowyer is on £15,000 a week at the moment. If offered £30,000 he could still easily be loaned out to top clubs who don't want to make the initial outlay or clubs like liverpool were they like to test the goods before they buy rather than take a risk. Financial gain and a greater freedom of choice of which club to join would be the main incentive.
C) football is a fickle business what guarentees would you have of a profit. Obviously there are no certainties in footballand no uarentees. The better the player the more likely you are to get a good return and so Bowyer or someone like nuno gomes are likely to guarntee a safer return. If you were a real gamble the buying up of foreign youngsters on the cheap would provide a potentially higher income but provide no guarentees.
Anyway a better business man than me could probably formulate an even safer way to guarentee a safe return, i have discussed this with a few people and after the initial shock most see what i am getting at. The issue of individuals buying a stake or the rights to a player could become a big part of football if worked out by the right people and especially in the current economic climate where many clubs differ in financial levels with in the same league. I could see individuals owning the rights toindividual players in the future for commercial reasons.